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I'm actually not familiar with, well, any of that.

My experience is mostly the Cyclops that runs off, falls in with a smuggler captain, then encounters another redhead, marries and then forgets about her (and their kid) once real Jean comes back.

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Yeah, I had the issue of X-Factor where Cyclops fights the Master Mold which had Steven Lang's memory engrams coded in. It was the issue where Master Mold realized ALL humanity had mutation of some type. Scott started out in that issue having obliterated the house he shared with Madeline Pryor and Nate. He was pretty much a prick through the entire issue, even when doing the "right thing". I honestly never missed Summers every time he was off the X-Men roster.

Now Colossus, on the other hand...

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Dude, Colossus is an asshat. He had a baby with one of the savage land ladies, and ran out without offering support and played dumb. Look it up.

“Oh so and so, what’s new since I last saw you”
“I had a son; he’s named Peter after his father”
“Oh, he looks like a strong lad. Bye!”

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To be fair is there any long running comic character who hasn't become a deadbeat parent at some point?

   
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Yeah, it's kind of a thing since Marvel doesn't really do reboots, only retcons.

Piotr is still the same Piotr since the 60's. Which means, there's a whole lot of bad decisions made over those years.
   
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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Dude, Colossus is an asshat. He had a baby with one of the savage land ladies, and ran out without offering support and played dumb. Look it up.

“Oh so and so, what’s new since I last saw you”
“I had a son; he’s named Peter after his father”
“Oh, he looks like a strong lad. Bye!”


Vast difference between a couple instances of writer swap-out leading to bad characterization than there is consistent representation of being a deplorable person. Scott Summers has been a shitheel since as far back as that issue where Professor X turns out to be a Brood Queen.

Colossus suffers from being too noble, and new writers show up and "dirty him up" as a way of trying to make him more interesting to them. It's why Ultimate Colossus was an enforcer for the Russian mafia. It's also why you had that whole Acolyte Colossus thing. Then that part where he shows up in Warren Ellis' Excalibur (Man, I can taste blood just mentioning that guy...) and has a portrayal that's about as far from the core of who Piotr was as you could get. The best part of Whedon's run was him getting Colossus back and doing him right.

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Great. I am now imagining Professor X performing burlesque under the stage name Brood Queen. Still a better story than X-cutioner's Song

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Great. I am now imagining Professor X performing burlesque under the stage name Brood Queen. Still a better story than X-cutioner's Song


ANY story is better than that one.

"Oh, look! We're going to drop hints that Cable may be yet ANOTHER bad guy! Still pissed at the Ahab red herring? Not to worry, we have CLONES!!!!!!!!!"

fething Christ was the writing bad back then.

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 Just Tony wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Great. I am now imagining Professor X performing burlesque under the stage name Brood Queen. Still a better story than X-cutioner's Song


ANY story is better than that one.

"Oh, look! We're going to drop hints that Cable may be yet ANOTHER bad guy! Still pissed at the Ahab red herring? Not to worry, we have CLONES!!!!!!!!!"

fething Christ was the writing bad back then.


It's never good when they send in the clones.


But yeah, Cyclops, I like him a lot under some writers who actually got the character and gave him a bit of dry humour. Whedon actually did a brilliant take on Cyclops when he had Emma Frost dismantle him by pointing that he got X-Men leadership only because he had nothing else going on. It was so meta.


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I don’t remember Cyclops’ actions when Xavier was killed and became a Brood Queen. What did he do again? I have the TPB...just been a while. I do know that every time Xavier has shown up since though, he was a perfectly replicated Shi’Ar clone. Xavier himself has been dead since the 80s.

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Didn't all the X-Men die in the 80's? That's why they don't show up on camera, right?

   
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They went through the siege perilous, and were considered dead to the world (never actually killed though). They were given a choice; they could be presumed dead and not show up on electronic devices, or go to the afterlife. They chose to continue in secret.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Didn't all the X-Men die in the 80's? That's why they don't show up on camera, right?


I think that angle was fairly quickly forgotten - it was horrible pain for writers to keep track. I certainly don't remember it ever coming up later.

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I've been reading those comics recently.

I think Forge hijinks caused the Cameras thing, as the X-Men then moved to Australia.

Then The "Siege Perilous" happened after the 'Inferno' arc and there was an explanation why the cameras started working again but it was pretty wishy-washy.
   
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Damn it, NOW you reminded me that the Siege Perilous thing happened. That was the genius move that changed Psylocke from a British school marm to an Asian ninja badass, because reasons. Conveniently both had psyonics and purple hair genetically.

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And her psyblade, the focused totality of her psychic powers.

   
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Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.

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Backfire wrote:
Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.


No, you're not the only one...

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Dude, Colossus is an asshat. He had a baby with one of the savage land ladies, and ran out without offering support and played dumb. Look it up.

“Oh so and so, what’s new since I last saw you”
“I had a son; he’s named Peter after his father”
“Oh, he looks like a strong lad. Bye!”


That's the fairly tame stuff. He also comes off as bit of pedo with Shadowcat (when she's all of 13), then breaks up with her after having a thing with a background character in the Beyonder's pocket universe.
The only upside to this is Wolverine basically tossing him into a bar brawl with Juggernaut to knock some sense into him.


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Also yes, Betsy Braddock was far superior to cliched Asian stereotype fantasy porn.

Urg. I'd forgotten one of the side effects of that whole body swap (on their second time through the Siege, when they gave up in the wake of the random cyborg attacks) was Wolverine went crazy due to being repeatedly tortured to the point of death (the team basically abandoned him when they bolted for new lives), and had figments of Nick Fury and Carol Danvers running around. He tricked Psylocke into psychic-knifing him, which brought her memories back, and locked her into his fantasy, making his 'figments' pseudo-real, sorta. The implication was she was psychic blasting anyone they punched, but she could interact and talk with them.

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another vote for original Psylocke here

 
   
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I love the inane rambling that is any description of X-Men story arcs.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
I love the inane rambling that is any description of X-Men story arcs.


Yeah seriously. As great as so many of the x men characters are their stories are almost always the WORST.

I 100% blame the ultimate universe going from great to gak on the xmen.

Ultimate spiderman was amazing. Ult. Fantastic 4 was great. The Ultimates 1 and 2 were fantastic. And then Ultimate X men decided they would plow through 3 decades of storylines in 2 years, escalating everything going on in that universe at a insane pace and ended with the ultimatum wave. What a bunch of gak.


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 LunarSol wrote:
I love the inane rambling that is any description of X-Men story arcs.


My favorite experience with the X-Men lore was when I bought a board game that came out to capitalize on the success of the cartoon, and it included a background pamphlet to catch up newcomers on all of the main characters and story arcs introduced during the Claremont run in about four pages. It felt like chugging high-density insanity.

   
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Was that the board game that had figures of every X-Men character in it and you got to level up? That game was tons of fun back then! I think my copy is still sitting in my mom’s closet. It’s been years since I’ve even thought about it. Came with like twenty 2” figures of each character; and they were very detailed for the time.

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 LunarSol wrote:
I love the inane rambling that is any description of X-Men story arcs.

It's partly the medium. Monthly issues require long set up times and then a BAM! 3 part payoff (or, by the late 80s with the X-men specifically, 9 parts across three titles).
That these events often involved villains who hadn't been seen for years (or even decades) required a lot of backstory and interwoven craziness. The Siege Perilous thing (or rather the Dallas thing, since the Siege doesn't come up until the very end) pretty much took most of the 1980s to set up, and started with something that seemed fairly unrelated (Storm losing her powers to a gun Forge built, because Rogue permanently took the Marvel powers from Carol Danvers). Also there were the Dire Wraith witch aliens from Rom the Space Knight running around during that whole mess, for more added insanity.

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It's one of the reasons why a Dark Phoenix movie is almost guaranteed to be awful. The amazing aspect of that was the setup and slow conversion, star spanning journey, major mistakes and final resolution in the midst of the big Lunar brawl. A two hour run time can have none of that, and Xavier slipping a child/teen mental horse tranquilizers for years doesn't have the same impact. It just makes him look like a short-sighted jerk.
It's also a story that doesn't in any way need Magneto or yet another face/heel turn.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
And her psyblade, the focused totality of her psychic powers.


Remember the time she never once mentioned the former without also explicitly describing it as the latter?


Backfire wrote:
Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.


The Kwannon retcon was stupid, 100% agree.

I don't really like either Psylocke better - they both have some pros and cons in terms of appearance. I liked the butterfly motif and costume for the original, and I like the costume and psychic blade* look of the "newer" one as well.

*which is the focused totality of her psychic powers

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This makes me feel kind of cartoon-racist, but I didn't even know Asian Psyclocke was supposed to be Asian until someone explicitly mentioned that fact in dialogue*. I just thought that's how Jim Lee drew every woman's eyes. Because it was.



* Whille self-narrating 100% of his actions.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Was that the board game that had figures of every X-Men character in it and you got to level up? That game was tons of fun back then! I think my copy is still sitting in my mom’s closet. It’s been years since I’ve even thought about it. Came with like twenty 2” figures of each character; and they were very detailed for the time.


I don't remember owning a board game that awesome. I think mine had cardboard standees.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
This makes me feel kind of cartoon-racist, but I didn't even know Asian Psyclocke was supposed to be Asian until someone explicitly mentioned that fact in dialogue*. I just thought that's how Jim Lee drew every woman's eyes. Because it was.



* Whille self-narrating 100% of his actions.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
Was that the board game that had figures of every X-Men character in it and you got to level up? That game was tons of fun back then! I think my copy is still sitting in my mom’s closet. It’s been years since I’ve even thought about it. Came with like twenty 2” figures of each character; and they were very detailed for the time.


I don't remember owning a board game that awesome. I think mine had cardboard standees.


This one: https://picclick.com/Pressman-Marvel-Comics-Uncanny-X-Men-Alert-Adventure-Board-263085351447.html
All figures, hard grey plastic, and you leveled up like Talisman (come to think of it, it felt very similar to Talisman, but you got a team of characters). It was a blast when I was a kid.

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Ha!. I had that board game. I didnt remember it till i saw the pieces. Thats great.

Also original cartoon xmen. When wolverine was australian.


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