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Just got back from watching Dark Phoenix and it was a good film.

Nitpicks first. The mysterious aliens were initially uninteresting( villians of the week ). Magneto...pretty much does what we all expect him to do and little else - he doesn't surprise us. While watching the movies over the last few years...did they change course in the time line back a few movies? While this is obviously another stab at Last Stand...I thought it was just Wolverine: Origins thats been removed from cannon? I think this is the result of...Future past? Sigh. Confused.com. 3D showing was good at the beginning but became hardly noticable as the film went on. No after credits scene! No!

Now the good things! Nice to enjoy a Superhero movie that actually takes itself seriously for a change, because this one needed it. Sophie Turner is spanking gorgeous and made me melt everytime she was on screen( super red head alert! ). Jennifer Lawrence delivers a good performance and does surprise us. The cast is pretty good all round, and although some have skimpy material to work with they deliver it professionally( Michael Fassbender ). While not mind blowing the music was quite good - almost popped in HMV afterwards to pick up a copy.

Dark Phoenix doesn't rock the Superhero genre but its a decent X-Men movie all the same. After an initital emergency the film becomes more grounded in the character relationships, which then esculates into a thrilling - and "fast moving" - showdown with the villians.

And sadly, this appears to be the last X-Men movie. Not been mad on the series, but over the years has almost been a friend that just popped in to say hello once in a while. In some respects I hope they just leave it alone with Dark Phoenix being the last one, but apparently Disney is doing something with it. If that means being slapped into the MCU then...yeah, I'm done with it.

But yeah, its been emotional.

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To be fair, the original X-Men movie takes place "in the near future" whereas Dark Phoenix is explicitly mentioned as being set in 1992.
   
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 Compel wrote:
To be fair, the original X-Men movie takes place "in the near future" whereas Dark Phoenix is explicitly mentioned as being set in 1992.
I guess that's fair. But how near is near? It was "in the near future" of 2000, which at most would be 2010.

But isn't Fassbender's Magneto supposed to be like 62 in this movie? I guess part of being a mutant, any mutant not just Wolverine, is slow aging...that then catches up real quick.
I just think they would have been better off setting this in, say, 1985-88. I know that's not that far behind '92, but it feels farther off. And more importantly, closer to Apocalype, so that the actors, whose ages were already pushing too young for their "present" counterparts, weren't so far off from their characters ages.

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Getting the guy who previously failed to adapt the story to do it again probably wasn’t the greatest plan.
   
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Elton John is one of the most beloved musicians in the world and just as famous as Freddie Mercury. His biopic only cost $40 million dollars to make. There are no elaborately planned vfx sequences to be made. Its been released more than six months after the hugely successful Freddie Mercury movie.

Dark Phoenix is yet another super hero movie in a over-saturated market of such movies. It has very complex vfx sequences. Some of its actors command big bucks. Budget is reported to be about $200 million. Its story( the Dark Phoenix thing ) is only a big deal to those who have read the comics and not the general, cinema-going public - its just another X-Men movie to the rest of us. It has been released when ticket prices are very expensive and everyone elected to spend it on the juggernaut release of Avengers: Endgame, for their sci-fi / superhero fix, which is still being shown in cinemas.

Lets face it, Dark Phoenix and Endgame are from the same studio - Marvel. Marvel is owned by Disney. 20th Century Fox is now part of Disney. By banging out both movies so close to each other in release schedule...they have performed what we call - in english football terms "an own goal".

Oh, wait, they did exactly the same thing last year with Solo! Lets have a laugh as we have a trip down memory lane! Disney owns Marvel and LucasFilm. Disney feels the time is right to throw a 4-month advertized Solo out on the tail end of Inifinity War and Deadpool 2! Deadpool 2 was already risking it as it was competing with Infinity War( both hyped up to fever pitch a year in advance ) so what hope in hell did Solo have with bugger all advertizing? Seriously, a Star Wars movie nobody knew about! How the %!£? did they manage that one?

The real problem is this; there are way too many superhero movies being shoved down the cinema-goer's throat. In the space of seven months...

Aquaman.
Captain Marvel.
Shazzam.
Infinity War.
Dark Phoenix.
Spiderman: Far from Home.

...if these had been released over a two-to-three year span, I would have gone and seen them all. As it is, I've only seen Dark Phoenix.

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Just came back from it.... like Samusdrake stated we had too many other superhero movies hit this year. Dark Phoenix was a really "whatever" b action movie with a lot of high profile actors

Without spoilers or breaking it down I'd say I wasted my money seeing it in a venue. 4/10. Big budget effects, big actors, I just watched a string of "Better" superhero movies.

I genuinely enjoyed the previously thought of "bad X-men" from when I was a kid and even a few of the newer ones. I enjoy Logan and the past few X-Men movies but this was reminded me of release of the last few Terminator movies. Very lukewarm and "whatever"

   
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Lets face it, Dark Phoenix and Endgame are from the same studio - Marvel. Marvel is owned by Disney. 20th Century Fox is now part of Disney. By banging out both movies so close to each other in release schedule...they have performed what we call - in english football terms "an own goal".

This is incorrect. The Marvel Studio and Fox Studio have entirely different staff and execs, and the deal wasn't even finalized until March of this year. Despite that merger existing on paper now, they still aren't 'the same studio.'

This movie was largely done and originally slated for last fall, and pushed back at the request of James Cameron for Alita.


Other points- Solo had lots of advertising. It also had horrible rumors and scaremongering in the movie press during production.

Superhero movies are here to stay. The 'its the fault of way too many superhero movies' just doesn't work when all the other ones you've listed were WILDLY successful, with universally notable earnings and wide praise. That only this one is a failure indicates that the failure is this movie, not the genre or having 'too many.'

Far from Home is also poised to be another big earner, regardless of 'too many' films.


Not sure what the 'expensive ticket prices' argument is about. I've seen several jumps and 'inflation adjustments' since I was a kid, but they aren't notably more expensive now than they were ten years ago. Snacks are, but the actual movie ticket? $8

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SamusDrake wrote:
Elton John is one of the most beloved musicians in the world and just as famous as Freddie Mercury. His biopic only cost $40 million dollars to make. There are no elaborately planned vfx sequences to be made. Its been released more than six months after the hugely successful Freddie Mercury movie.

Dark Phoenix is yet another super hero movie in a over-saturated market of such movies. It has very complex vfx sequences. Some of its actors command big bucks. Budget is reported to be about $200 million. Its story( the Dark Phoenix thing ) is only a big deal to those who have read the comics and not the general, cinema-going public - its just another X-Men movie to the rest of us. It has been released when ticket prices are very expensive and everyone elected to spend it on the juggernaut release of Avengers: Endgame, for their sci-fi / superhero fix, which is still being shown in cinemas.

Lets face it, Dark Phoenix and Endgame are from the same studio - Marvel. Marvel is owned by Disney. 20th Century Fox is now part of Disney. By banging out both movies so close to each other in release schedule...they have performed what we call - in english football terms "an own goal".

Oh, wait, they did exactly the same thing last year with Solo! Lets have a laugh as we have a trip down memory lane! Disney owns Marvel and LucasFilm. Disney feels the time is right to throw a 4-month advertized Solo out on the tail end of Inifinity War and Deadpool 2! Deadpool 2 was already risking it as it was competing with Infinity War( both hyped up to fever pitch a year in advance ) so what hope in hell did Solo have with bugger all advertizing? Seriously, a Star Wars movie nobody knew about! How the %!£? did they manage that one?

The real problem is this; there are way too many superhero movies being shoved down the cinema-goer's throat. In the space of seven months...

Aquaman.
Captain Marvel.
Shazzam.
Infinity War.
Dark Phoenix.
Spiderman: Far from Home.

...if these had been released over a two-to-three year span, I would have gone and seen them all. As it is, I've only seen Dark Phoenix.

Don't forget into the Spiderverse, Venom, and this. Also Brightburn.


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Voss wrote:
Lets face it, Dark Phoenix and Endgame are from the same studio - Marvel. Marvel is owned by Disney. 20th Century Fox is now part of Disney. By banging out both movies so close to each other in release schedule...they have performed what we call - in english football terms "an own goal".

This is incorrect. The Marvel Studio and Fox Studio have entirely different staff and execs, and the deal wasn't even finalized until March of this year. Despite that merger existing on paper now, they still aren't 'the same studio.'

This movie was largely done and originally slated for last fall, and pushed back at the request of James Cameron for Alita.


Other points- Solo had lots of advertising. It also had horrible rumors and scaremongering in the movie press during production.

Superhero movies are here to stay. The 'its the fault of way too many superhero movies' just doesn't work when all the other ones you've listed were WILDLY successful, with universally notable earnings and wide praise. That only this one is a failure indicates that the failure is this movie, not the genre or having 'too many.'

Far from Home is also poised to be another big earner, regardless of 'too many' films.


Not sure what the 'expensive ticket prices' argument is about. I've seen several jumps and 'inflation adjustments' since I was a kid, but they aren't notably more expensive now than they were ten years ago. Snacks are, but the actual movie ticket? $8


Blah blah blah. Fox is now owned by Disney.

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Solo had too little, too late advertising to make the 1 Billion mark they were expecting. The production problems were outlined by most "Geek" online media sites.

For example(but not the only one), I'm the resident star wars fan amongst my friends. The previous SW movies - Force Awakens, Rogue One and Last Jedi - everyone else came to me saying "are you excited for it? Are you going to see it?". Solo, not a single one of them. When I asked them, they thought I was referring to Last Jedi that was then seeing its home video release. There is a huge difference between what the geeks are following and are excited for, and the general cinema-going public.

As for the Disney and Fox merger - Marvel was working on both movies for Fox and Disney. I find it hard to believe there was zero communication over their million dollar projects clashing with each other.

Yes, the genre is here to stay and I think it would be a loss if a fan of the genre didn't have at least one film to look forward to once in a while. You are correct that the marvel movies and Aquaman performed very well this year, but Shazam, while covering its costs and pocketing a bit of money, wasn't exactly raking in the big bucks, was it?

Aquaman did well( quite surprised it took a billion, given DC's track record of late ), with little competition at christmas. With no Starwars or MCU movie it was either that, Mortal Engines or a Transformers movie. Hmmm...

To be fair, expensive might just be a UK thing, so I'll give you that as I don't live in America nor China. It used to be £6 a ticket ten years ago, but then jumped up to £10 - just for normal 2D screening. Thats all-week round, which is taking the piss when the threatres are practically empty(edit; earlier in the week). Used to go all the time on Tuesdays as it was £7, but they did away with that too.

It needs to be made clear; Disney and Marvel are on a roll with the MCU and raking in big bucks. But lets face it, Dark Phoenix is sandwiched in between Endgame and the upcoming Spiderman movie - both MCU movies. They'll just stick with those.


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 Frazzled wrote:


Blah blah blah. Fox is now owned by Disney.


Not playing sherif in a card game, but our friend did argue his points well in a civilized manner. I think its only right we should do the same.


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 Frazzled wrote:

Don't forget into the Spiderverse, Venom, and this. Also Brightburn.



I didn't know about Brightburn. Oh, and yes there was Spiderverse too. Just forgot about it to be honest.

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I had a free afternoon and caught a cheap show and yeah that was certainly... a movie. Not terrible, I have no desire to tear my eyes out and run into the wilderness but just kind of there.

Totally agree everyone looked too young for a sequel set 10 years later. Should have stuck to the 80s. And if you're doing a period piece do something with it. At least Apoc had the cool Mall sequence. (Or was that cut and I'm thinking of a deleted scene? I know I saw it...)

As is my want I rewrote it on the fly. The villains are not the (don't feel like looking up their name) aliens, they're the Hellfire Club.



I mean they #$%^ing hang out in a brownstone off of Central Park and are led by a skinny blonde! So the Blonde is the White Queen, the others are HF members, and the generic goons at the end are generic HF goons injected with mutant DNA (Mystique and Beast) for their healing, jumping, shapeshifting etc.



And done.

Won't help with everyone sleepwalking through their performances but at least it give stakes we might care about. The Xmen want coexistance, the Brotherhood (or whatever Magneto's gang is called) want their own homeland and the Hellfire Club want to rule humanity. A nice 3-worldview clash. No need to bring the Shiar or anything else, keep to the civil rights metaphor.

Oh and since healing is usually part of a shapeshifter's power set, Mystique is fine, she crawls out of her grave a week later and is pissed no one thought of that.


 
   
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SamusDrake wrote:

The real problem is this; there are way too many superhero movies being shoved down the cinema-goer's throat. In the space of seven months...

Aquaman.
Captain Marvel.
Shazzam.
Infinity War.
Dark Phoenix.
Spiderman: Far from Home.

...if these had been released over a two-to-three year span, I would have gone and seen them all. As it is, I've only seen Dark Phoenix.


Your problem isn't that six superhero movies were released in seven months; your problem is you picked the literal worst of them to go see which is why you don't want to see any others. If you'd instead seen, say, Captain Marvel you'd have more enthusiasm for Infinity War and then Spiderman.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Oh and since healing is usually part of a shapeshifter's power set, Mystique is fine, she crawls out of her grave a week later and is pissed no one thought of that.



I was kind of confused by that too,

Spoiler:
I thought they were intentionally shooting for something like. "Oh look she's impaled the exact same way Wolverine's claws did in the original movie..."

But yeah, nothing...

I still think "Phoenix resurrected folks" would have worked though - The phoenix is supposed to be the symbol for rebirth, they talked about it, didn't really show it.
   
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Another thing missing from the film but important in the original storyline is DARK Phoenix has to do something unforgivable.

Or she's just Naughty Phoenix.

And blowing up a couple of cop cars and killing Jennifer Laurence just doesn't do it for me. Certainly not enough to make Congress decide to lock everyone in concentration camps.

Blowing up Magneto's mutant island would have done it. A terrible crime and enough to put the fear of God in everyone.

Ah well. Plenty of good films around.

 
   
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To be frank, something like Dark Phoenix needs to build over several episodes. Establish Jean and Scott's relationship, establish Mastermind as a villain, add the tension with Logan, Jean's sacrifice and rebirth as Phoenix, then bring in the Hellfire Club as a villain, Phoenix falling under Mastermind's control... and only then see Dark Phoenix unleashed. Bonus points if you'd already established the Shi'ar, done the M'Kronn crystal story and established the Charles/Liliandra relationship.

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 Vulcan wrote:


If you'd instead seen, say, Captain Marvel you'd have more enthusiasm for Infinity War and then Spiderman.


Not my problem the trailers for those films weren't that interesting.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Blowing up Magneto's mutant island would have done it. A terrible crime and enough to put the fear of God in everyone.



Yeah, that would have been good.

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 Compel wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Oh and since healing is usually part of a shapeshifter's power set, Mystique is fine, she crawls out of her grave a week later and is pissed no one thought of that.



I was kind of confused by that too,

Spoiler:
I thought they were intentionally shooting for something like. "Oh look she's impaled the exact same way Wolverine's claws did in the original movie..."

But yeah, nothing...

I still think "Phoenix resurrected folks" would have worked though - The phoenix is supposed to be the symbol for rebirth, they talked about it, didn't really show it.
From what I've heard, J-Law has wanted out for several movies. Why they made her such an "important" character in Apoc was probably just to get her to sign on again or something like that. She probably only signed on to Dark Phoenix because they promised her it'd be her last outing.

It's really a shame when movies have to adapt scripts due to real world circumstances

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Which makes little sense! I mean if there's one character who can be replaced its the shape shifter! Especially since her normal form is under blue make up and a terrible wig!

Does.anyone go to see the X Men because Jennifer Lawrence is in it? Especially when you only see her face for like 5 minutes?

Anyway figure her near death experience accounts for her more feral attitude in the original 3 films.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Anyway figure her near death experience accounts for her more feral attitude in the original 3 films.
Well, technically the original 3 movies no longer happened. DoFP set a new timeline and dramatically changed Mystic's character to be a "good guy"

Side question, How many of the X-men movies "no longer exist" in the continuity because of DoFP? The original 3 for sure, but also most of Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine too, right? I mean, everything that happens to Logan in those movies before the 1970s still stands, but everything after? Didn't happen.

What about Logan? Seems like those events could be in either continuity. Anyone know which?

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I think it probably is fair to say that her joining First Class brought a new audience to the X-Men movies. So, going from that to her having a big presence in Days of Future Past, that makes sense.

It's Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix where it doesn't necessarily make sense, especially as she clearly wanted out of them both. At that point, people would either have bought into the movies, or not. And I imagine JLaw fans wouldn't have wanted to see a film where their favourite actress is miserable.
   
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She signed on for First Class and sequels right before Hunger Games and Silver Linings made her a star. It was pretty clear that DoFP was eager to take advantage of a hot name they got at a low price and made her far more central to the franchise at a time it was no longer worth the effort for her.
   
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 Compel wrote:
It's Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix where it doesn't necessarily make sense, especially as she clearly wanted out of them both. At that point, people would either have bought into the movies, or not. And I imagine JLaw fans wouldn't have wanted to see a film where their favourite actress is miserable.
Agreed. I also adds to my gripe about the actors not being "aged" enough to match their 2000 X-men counterparts. Dropping Mystic from Apoc and Dark Phoenix would leave just Mcavoy and Fassbender (also, maybe Holt) as the ones that don't belong.

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Well Mystique, if anyone, has an excuse for looking younger than she should.

 
   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well Mystique, if anyone, has an excuse for looking younger than she should.
True, but why? If in the original timeline she looked like Rebecca Romaine by the year 2000ish, why does she still look like J-Law in the mid 90s?
I just don't think they though through the time jump.

Starting in the 60s was cool for First Class as it lined up with the ages of young Xavier and Magneto. Jumping to the 70s was fine for DoFP as it gave the characters some time for stuff to change.
Even jumping to the 80s for Apoc was ok because it gave them an excuse to have the iconic X-men style outfits at them end (because no other time would those make sense but the 80s).
Jumping to the 90s was a mistake, and also added to the similarities between Dark Phoenix and Capt Marvel, which caused them to that to change things last minute.

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SamusDrake wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:


If you'd instead seen, say, Captain Marvel you'd have more enthusiasm for Infinity War and then Spiderman.


Not my problem the trailers for those films weren't that interesting.


And the trailers for Dark Phoenix were? I thought they were quite lame.

You might also consider that a movie line with over 20 profitable movies to it's name, a good half of which can probably be considered blockbusters, might well be doing SOMETHING better than the lackluster performing later X-movies.

Or to go old school about it, "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

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 Galef wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well Mystique, if anyone, has an excuse for looking younger than she should.
True, but why? If in the original timeline she looked like Rebecca Romaine by the year 2000ish, why does she still look like J-Law in the mid 90s?

To be fair that's not the worst continuity break considering she dies in this film but is back alive again to fight with the Brotherhood of Mutants in XMen!
   
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 Vulcan wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:


If you'd instead seen, say, Captain Marvel you'd have more enthusiasm for Infinity War and then Spiderman.


Not my problem the trailers for those films weren't that interesting.


And the trailers for Dark Phoenix were? I thought they were quite lame.

You might also consider that a movie line with over 20 profitable movies to it's name, a good half of which can probably be considered blockbusters, might well be doing SOMETHING better than the lackluster performing later X-movies.

Or to go old school about it, "Don't judge a book by it's cover".


It appears you are offended by my preference for Dark Phoenix over the recent MCU offerings, so its best we leave it there and move on.

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 Kroem wrote:
Spoiler:
 Galef wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well Mystique, if anyone, has an excuse for looking younger than she should.
True, but why? If in the original timeline she looked like Rebecca Romaine by the year 2000ish, why does she still look like J-Law in the mid 90s?

To be fair that's not the worst continuity break considering she dies in this film but is back alive again to fight with the Brotherhood of Mutants in XMen!


Except X-Men doesn’t necessarily happen now, due to DoFP.

I only hope
Spoiler:
Mystique dies in a way similar to Kitty Pryde in the “what if” series where Phoenix kills ALL the X-men, then kills herself after she obliterates Cyclops by accident.

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SamusDrake wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:


If you'd instead seen, say, Captain Marvel you'd have more enthusiasm for Infinity War and then Spiderman.


Not my problem the trailers for those films weren't that interesting.


And the trailers for Dark Phoenix were? I thought they were quite lame.

You might also consider that a movie line with over 20 profitable movies to it's name, a good half of which can probably be considered blockbusters, might well be doing SOMETHING better than the lackluster performing later X-movies.

Or to go old school about it, "Don't judge a book by it's cover".


It appears you are offended by my preference for Dark Phoenix over the recent MCU offerings, so its best we leave it there and move on.


I'm sorry, I was under the impression you had thought the movie was bad...

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Saw it last night. I'd give it a hard 7. Not terrible, but not particularly great either. They had some really good ideas in this film but it kinda gets buried underneath everything they had to get through. Really seemed like there was a great film under there waiting to get out, but the execution was off. More specifics below

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I really enjoyed the dissension between Xavier and Mystique in the beginning of the movie, doubly so because I could sympathize with both perspectives. I also really liked Xavier suppressing Jean's memories to protect her from a painful truth and how that comes around to bite him in the ass, I thought that was excellent. Makes the Professor feel a little more human for being able to make such mistake. I absolutely loved the kitchen scene with Xavier and Hank, no music, Beast smashing the bottle, that whole interaction felt very real and genuine. I also thought the action was a big step up from Apocalypse, you got to see a lot of different characters mixing it up (Nightcrawler especially). Jean finding and confronting her father, Xavier dealing with his mistake, Beast and Magneto wanting revenge - all top notch.

The things I did not like... the beginning of the movie gave me some pretty serious whiplash. I liked seeing Jean as a kid, showing the accident was an important part of the story, but everything after that happened so quickly. There's a shuttle going into space, then a mysterious red cloud, then Professor X is talking to the President on a special phone, then everyone gets into the jet and flies off into space - this all happens in like a minute, just felt like a lot of crazy gak all at once. Then there's an alien invasion by totally-not-Skrulls-we-promise, this seemed a little out there although I will confess I'm probably just spoiled by how the MCU gradually dovetailed into the cosmic stuff whereas the X-Men franchise has been way more grounded up until now. Mystique's death was basically steam-rolled through in the interest of getting on with the movie, but this was an important part of the story that could have used time to breathe. As I said before, the film had too much to get through in its runtime. Villain was pretty forgettable, though it seemed like they could have fleshed her out a lot more by exploring the whole nomad from a destroyed planet angle. Ah well.

I would have preferred a better sendoff for this particular iteration of the X-Men. I'm sure the MCU will do at least a decent job of rebooting the franchise, but for me the new cast will have seriously big shoes to fill. First Class and Days of Future Past I would easily rank with the best of the MCU, and I think McAvoy and Fassbender in particular were absolutely outstanding in their roles. They easily had just as good chemistry, if not moreso, as Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen.

   
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 Vulcan wrote:


I'm sorry, I was under the impression you had thought the movie was bad...


Not at all. Don't forget I haven't seen Captain Marvel to pass judgement on it, which would be silly. Could be the next winner of 50 academy awards for all I know. Just said I didn't go much on the trailer compared to the Dark Phoenix one.

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