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epronovost wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Also interesting, Jango Fett isn't a real Mandolorian. He took off his helmet ALOT. Which makes Boba not a real mando. Just a clone of a disgrace or a clone of a pretender wearing someone elses armor.

Not all Mandalorians follow so rigorously the code by which The Mandalorian and the Tribe lives. If you watch Clone Wars and Rebels, plenty of Mandalorian remove their helmet, but even in those series Jango Fett is described as "not Mandalorian" so probably a thief or poser of some sort.

TBF the view in character of Jango not being a Mandalorian could be the way the Pacifist Mandalorian Government distances themselves from Mandos like Jango. But it all stems from Lucas not wanting Jango to be a Mando.

Like you mentioned not all follow this code so rigorously. Which leads me to suspect that this group is another group on the "Extreme" end of the Mando Spectrums. With Pacifists being one end and Deathwatch and The Tribe being the other. The Protectors and Clan Wren being somewhere in between.

The Code may also be something created in the wake of the Purge.

Sadly its a long way off until this reaches the UK in March or a home video release, but the "baby-yoda" thing has been doing the rounds on Youtube and is supremely funny. Theres also a clip where the robot bounty hunter( IG-88 from Empire? ) seems to be reenacting the warehouse raid from Robocop and wiping out filthy scum left-right-and-center. Loth Cat from Rebels. Gina Carano.

My word, its all happening in the galaxy far, far away!

It's an IG model droid but not IG-88

 LunarSol wrote:
The Code may also be something created in the wake of the Purge.

Doubtful. The Mando mentioned not removing his helmet in front of others since he was a wee lad. Assuming he is at least 30yrs old, that puts "the code" prior to the Purge.
But I agree with others that this is likely just his tribe's code.
I also feel like Jango IS a Mando, or at least was, but chose to pursue a more renegade life style, rather than a "clan" style and thus other Mando (especially those of the pacifist variety) have disavowed Jango.
But in any case, Boba certainly isn't a Mando either.

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 LunarSol wrote:
It's an IG model droid but not IG-88

Oh, I see. Well, he kicks major league ass all the same!

IG-11 is it's designation.

The fact that the "no true Mando" carnival is back in town as a result of this show amuses me to no end.

Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the actress from Jurassic World films.

I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.

 Ahtman wrote:
Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the daughter of well regarded director and Happy Days star, Ron Howard .

Fixed to better represent the reason she's doing anything at all.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the daughter of well regarded director and Happy Days star, Ron Howard .

Fixed to better represent the reason she's doing anything at all.

I know she is his daughter but he didn't direct the episode and isn't part of her limited directing background; I have no doubt being connected to such a well known and respected person in the industry has opened doors for her. As with any industry who you know is often more important than what you know but that is a different thread altogether.

You wontknow until its over.

 Ahtman wrote:

I know she is his daughter but he didn't direct the episode and isn't part of her limited directing background; I have no doubt being connected to such a well known and respected person in the industry has opened doors for her. As with any industry who you know is often more important than what you know but that is a different thread altogether.

I'm not really a fan of her myself. None of her performances have been really all that notable. That said, given her limited experience with directing its not like she flubbed this one. There were a lot of well done scenes and memorable shots. Some of the character dynamics definitely came across a little flatter than prior episodes and I'm sure some of that is on the direction, but the episode shows some real talent along with inexperience.

Speed watched it all last night. I have to say this is the best Star Wars since Rogue 1. It's a shame the new trilogy movies can't be this good.

So far both Episode 3 and 4 are my favorites. I can't wait for tomorrow to see where they go from 4.

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 Thargrim wrote:
I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.

I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.

Episode 5 was, like #4, rather predictable, but still had some fun moments, and I enjoyed it overall. We're just in the slow-down in the middle, right now.

As much as I understand Disney's reasons for not encouraging binge-watching and going with the weekly release model, I feel like this series in particular will really come into its own once it's all released and can be watched as a single 4-ish hour 'movie'.

I hope some of the mcu shows are released to be binged. I can go week to week on something like miss marvel, she hulk, moon knight. But if wanda vision ties directly into the dr stange movie, let me binge that gak.

 insaniak wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.

I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.

Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.

Depends on how it ties in. Week to week makes sense if it ties in the way SHIELD did with Winter Soldier.

 LunarSol wrote:
Depends on how it ties in. Week to week makes sense if it ties in the way SHIELD did with Winter Soldier.

And it seems a bit of a coincidence that the 8 episode show released at same time as Disney+ launcher gets to its next-to-last episode in the same week as the Rise of Skywalker.
I can see a few ways to tie in the Mando with the overall Skywalker saga (although none that are particularly satisfying) making the timing just seem so....well convenient

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Voss wrote:

Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.

Wait, what? Rogue One coule just about be in the dictionary beside the definition of 'safe and by-the-numbers'.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth I was referring to was specifically about those who have been deriding the film for 'subverting expectations' and snidely parroting the 'let the past die' line since the film was released.

I take it someone May have called in the Cavalry?

 Lance845 wrote:
I hope some of the mcu shows are released to be binged. I can go week to week on something like miss marvel, she hulk, moon knight. But if wanda vision ties directly into the dr stange movie, let me binge that gak.

Going by previous press releases, no, it's an across the board thing.


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 AduroT wrote:
I take it someone May have called in the Calvary?

Sorry, what?

 insaniak wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.

It's utterly bizarre to me that the most memorable things about the movie have nothing to do with any of the characters in the movie.

 LunarSol wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.

It's utterly bizarre to me that the most memorable things about the movie have nothing to do with any of the characters in the movie.

One thing they've really done well are the droids. K2-SO, IG-11, and L3-37 (despite her terrible name) were hilarious and amazing characters. Wild disregard for human, massively self destructive inferiority complex, and perverse and inscrutable lover of humans and revolutionary

I still crack up at I will initiate self destruct sequence.

 insaniak wrote:
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 AduroT wrote:
I take it someone May have called in the Calvary?

Sorry, what?

Ming Na Wen plays Agent Mae in Agents Of Shield, whose nickname is "The Cavalry"

Ah, of course. Haven't watched Agents of Shield in a very long time, so had forgotten about that.

 insaniak wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.

I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.

Personally I think people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all Star Wars, were done that way to avoid annoying people who want to watch Star Wars, and think that's not a shame at all but a good idea, since they like Star Wars. I've seen hardly anybody claiming this stuff is leik the gratest evar, it's just solid basic material with some really great elements to it, and the main reaction it's eliciting from the vast, vast, vast majority of TLJ-dislikers is a sigh of relief rather than some ecstatic religious experience.

Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box". The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that. Interestingly, and in line with that, most of the TLJ-dislikers I've met or talked to who were franchise fans(as opposed to movie fans who don't bother with the supplementary material - which there's nothing wrong with of course, before anyone has a fit) very much enjoyed KotOR2, which hit almost all of the same beats as TLJ regarding the Jedi and the force and the nature of galactic conflict, but did so within a coherent narrative that didn't maul any beloved existing characters to make its points and used subversion sparingly as a tool rather than as a crutch to try and make itself seem cleverer than it actually was.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box".

Nobody actually said that. People disliked TLJ for a few different reasons. The takeaway for Disney, though, given that by all reports the people in charge liked it, will have been that it went in a direction fans didn't expect and that was a bad thing.

The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong.


Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:

Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.

Wait, what? Rogue One coule just about be in the dictionary beside the definition of 'safe and by-the-numbers'.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.

You'll have to point to where in the Star Wars formula 'rocks fall, everyone dies' comes, because I seem to have missed it in every other film, tv show, comic, game and novel related to the property.
Or where the rebels aren't purer than pure, lily white idealists, but instead mass-murderers and psychopaths.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth I was referring to was specifically about those who have been deriding the film for 'subverting expectations' and snidely parroting the 'let the past die' line since the film was released.

I've no idea what you're on about, or why you brought it up. 'Subverting expectations' was a quote from the director, not from wailing or gnashing fans.

Yohdrin wrote:Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box".

Insaniak wrote:Nobody actually said that. People disliked TLJ for a few different reasons

You said that when you brought TLJ up out of nowhere:

you wrote:I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box.

Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.

Why'd you bring it up then?