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I would also like to point out that the Mandos memories of that battle include a super battledroid, which was a new model during the clone wars, which is a point in time in which Jango was an adult.

As much as I originally wanted the Mando to be Boba, I'm actually quite glad he isn't. And he definitively is NOT Boba.
I still want to see Boba in this show, or in some other spin-off. I'd like to see Boba get the Rogue 1 treatment like Vader did (show him as the badass were never really got to see in the OrigTrig).

This show is the perfect platform to do this. And they can have Temuera Morrison do his voice at least and even show his face without the Helmet. You wouldn't even have to de-age him much as he is only 58, while Boba would be in his early-mid 40s at this time. And he'd have to look a rough 40s as he's got some country miles on him with how hard his life has been

But Boba is not a good guy, never was, and to show him as a relatable protagonist is....not a good idea. But the show needs such a protagonist. So I'm really glad they've expanded the lore and focused on Dyn Jarren (the Mando's CONFIRMED real name according to the actor in the suit).

Oh, and by the way, why do some people think the Mando has swollen, mutilated fingers? Those are the yellowish tips of his gloves, not exposed sausage fingers.

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Yup, very glad they went with the non Boba approach in Mando, especially the more I watch it, as the mando character does make for a much better protagonist that the audience can relate to. However, I would be very hyped to see them lead into a Boba vs Mando showdown as has been theorized by some, as it would make for a great and interesting tie-in to the original inspiring character.

 ikeulhu wrote:
Yup, very glad they went with the non Boba approach in Mando, especially the more I watch it, as the mando character does make for a much better protagonist that the audience can relate to. However, I would be very hyped to see them lead into a Boba vs Mando showdown as has been theorized by some, as it would make for a great and interesting tie-in to the original inspiring character.

Isn't Bobba dead (and in a stupid fashion). I don't think we need to resurrect a character with something like 6 minutes of screentime and two lines in two different movie. The only thing Bobba had going for him was a cool armor and pretty much every single Mandalorian since then has an equally or even cooler suit.

BTW, is it me or does the Armorer was a former supporter of Darth Maul during the brief time he ruled over Mandalore?

epronovost wrote:

Isn't Bobba dead (and in a stupid fashion).

His escape from the Sarlacc is currently in the Legends continuity. So far as prime is concerned, he's still down there.


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epronovost wrote:

BTW, is it me or does the Armorer was a former supporter of Darth Maul during the brief time he ruled over Mandalore?

If you're referring to her helmet, its a callback to a very specific Mandalore from the Old Republic era.

Escaping the Sarlacc is one of my big EU eyerolls right up there with IG88 literally becoming Death Star II and using his newfound power to prank Palpatine.

I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
He could just jump outta there. He would have been protected from the expolsion of Jabba's barge, which may well have killed the Saclacc creature, or at the very least severed most of the tentacles, making such an escape all the easier for Boba.

So even ignoring some of Legend's zaniness, it's perfectly plausible that Boba got out. In fact, I'm arguing that it's LESS likely that he didn't.

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 Galef wrote:
I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?

Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.

We might see in a couple weeks. Or not

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 Galef wrote:
Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.

We might see in a couple weeks. Or not

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Thats not how sphincters work my dude.

 Galef wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?

Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.

We might see in a couple weeks. Or not

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If the jetpack still functioned at all, Boba should have been easily able to recover and use to avoid falling in in the first place. Even if it just unexpectedly turned it on, he would be able to recover. The fact he didn't shows it was critically damaged.

I think the idea that its just a hole in the ground you can fly out of kind of removes any real threat to it. I mean, if its not really sucking you down into a real digestive system that's not somewhat resilient to damage, its not a very effective execution. I mean, you're just giving people 1000 years to have a friend throw down a rope.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.

We might see in a couple weeks. Or not

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Thats not how sphincters work my dude.

Um...what do sphincters have to do with this? Where is it confirmed the Saclacc is one? It just looks like an open hole in the ground with spikes, tentacles and later a giant beak. All very fleshy and susceptible to death upon explosion.
But it's 'stomach' contents may very well have been protected by said explosion and simple climbed out later.

My point is the Fett-man is PLAUSIBLE still around and kicking 5 years after RotJ and therefore could be our mystery man with spurs at the end of the Gunsilnger episode

 Grey Templar wrote:
If the jetpack still functioned at all, Boba should have been easily able to recover and use to avoid falling in in the first place. Even if it just unexpectedly turned it on, he would be able to recover. The fact he didn't shows it was critically damaged.

There are dozens of movies in which the McGuffin is damaged temporarily and takes several moments to "reactivate". Do you even movie, bro!
Boba didn't "fix" his pack until after the Sarlacc was dead/incapacitated and could get out

 LunarSol wrote:
I think the idea that its just a hole in the ground you can fly out of kind of removes any real threat to it. I mean, if its not really sucking you down into a real digestive system that's not somewhat resilient to damage, its not a very effective execution. I mean, you're just giving people 1000 years to have a friend throw down a rope.

Which is why it is so important to realize that the Sarlacc probably DIED when Jabba Barge exploded right above it, thereby allowing Boba and potentially other victims to escape just off screen as our heroes left the scene.

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You’re forgetting one very important fact: the sarlacc burps. You can’t do that without a(t least one) sphincter.

And no, it isn’t remotely plausible. It’s wildly fantastic.

Wow, you guys really, REALLY hate Boba and want him so dead that his soul doesn't even exist in the SW afterlife.
Your hate has blinded you to some very simple explanations that ARE plausible, so I'll have to agree to disagree then.

Yes the Sarlacc burps, so yes, Boba was "ingested". But that actually SUPPORTS that he would have been protected from the barge explosion.
Even unprotected prey animals can survive a limited time in the bellies of predators (assuming they weren't killed before being swallowed) and Boba has armour with presumable has an air supply.
We see Sabine Ren in Rebels walk in Space with here armour, so Boba was probably just fine inside the Sarlacc (albeit being slowly digested)

It's very, very unlikely that Boba died just by getting swallowed. So if the Sarlacc died (which I believe it did), he just has to climb out, or jet pack out if he got that working again.

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Thats literally not how any of that works.

But good on you for inventing an elaborate fantasy involving a fictional character that you apparently can’t function without, then turn around and accuse others who doubt that fantasy of inventing an elaborate conspiracy to kill off that character.

Hehehehehe.

Sphincter

It has a beak now and that beak closed around him and swallowed him. Having a jet pack to fly out of a spiky hole isn't even on the table any more. Bobba would need to climb through a giant alien sand squid things digestive tract while it's every muscle was crushing him and pushing him farther down.

He's dead, Jim.

Let it go.

And it’s tentacles.

I find it extremely unlikely that the Sarlacc was killed by that, relative to the Sarlacc, kinda small explosion.

The vast bulk of the Sarlacc's body is underground, all ~100 meters of it. The explosion of the barge barely disrupts the surface of the sand dunes. The absolute worst the Sarlacc is going to suffer from that is some minor surface injuries, and it still got many meals out of the incident as well.

Boba definitely wouldn't have died immediately. He would have survived a while inside it protected by his suit. But his armor is not fully enclosed, so he's still going to be paralyzed and slowly digested. And even if it was a fully enclosed suit the Sarlacc would have no hope of digesting, he's still going to be unable to move or use any of his gear. Doomed to die of either starvation or asphyxiation, whichever comes first. His only choice would be to try and trigger a thermal detonation and end his suffering.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I find it extremely unlikely that the Sarlacc was killed by that, relative to the Sarlacc, kinda small explosion.

Even if the Sarlaac did die in the explosion, for Boba to escape alive he would have to survive the crshing strength of the gut of a giant monster and that the death of the monster would have stopped the contraction in an open position with the Sarlaac mouth's still wide open and of course that the hole itself wasn't closed by the strenth of the explosion, debris and sand as the monster died. Then, after all this, Boba finds himself alone, without vehicle, most certainly injured, in the heart of Tatooine desert. It would take a pretty incredible level of luck for him to be alive.

This is the same setting where you can unknowingly land a full-size Corellian YT-1300 cargoship with room to spare in a creature's esophagus, walk around long enough to recognize your mistake, and fly out again nearly unmolested. You can also escape from giant ice monsters about to eat you, giant sewer worms trying to eat you, giant reptile monsters about to eat you, and live through being entirely encapsulated in metal. And we're not even outside the OT yet!

I have never questioned Boba Fett's ability to survive the Sarlacc because it's literally established canon that you can easily escape such predicaments if you're a named character. I don't think there's an eyeroll gif in the world that could fully represent my feelings towards "Fett MUST be dead" arguments




Lets review:

Darth Maul - literally cut in half and falls down a seemingly endless pit, pieces bouncing off the sides. Totally fine, just needs robot legs built from spare scrap and some counseling.

"Yeah, that's fine"

Boba Fett - uninjured, he lazily rolls down offscreen into an open sand pit that won't kill you for 1000 years that has tentacles that'll release you immediately if shot with a blaster, still has full armor and weaponry and a jetpack that may or may not be broken

"IT BURPED!! HE'S DEAD!! NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT!!!"

OK, Boomer

What's with all this "crushing strength" and instant death non-sense?
3PO states outright that it would take 1000 years to digest and that you'd feel pain and suffering the whole time. So even if that's an exaggeration, the POINT was that you DO NOT DIE instantly by being swallowed by the Sarlacc.

Ergo, Boba is unlikely to have been instantly killed by just being swallowed. Combined with the almost certain incapacitation of the Sarlacc (whether by being killed, temporarily knocked out or at the VERY least the tentacles and beak being blown off) it is POSSIBLE, even PLAUSIBLE that Boba made it out of that sticky situation.

I am not saying this 100% happened, nor would I bet money on it.
I'm just saying that ** IF ** Disney wanted him to be alive in the same era as the Mando, it would be easy and hardly an "elaborate fantasy"

 Kalamadea wrote:
This is the same setting where you can unknowingly land a full-size Corellian YT-1300 cargoship with room to spare in a creature's esophagus, walk around long enough to recognize your mistake, and fly out again nearly unmolested. You can also escape from giant ice monsters about to eat you, giant sewer worms trying to eat you, giant reptile monsters about to eat you, and live through being entirely encapsulated in metal. And we're not even outside the OT yet!

I have never questioned Boba Fett's ability to survive the Sarlacc because it's literally established canon that you can easily escape such predicaments if you're a named character. I don't think there's an eyeroll gif in the world that could fully represent my feelings towards "Fett MUST be dead" arguments




Lets review:

Darth Maul - literally cut in half and falls down a seemingly endless pit, pieces bouncing off the sides. Totally fine, just needs robot legs built from spare scrap and some counseling.

"Yeah, that's fine"

Boba Fett - uninjured, he lazily rolls down offscreen into an open sand pit that won't kill you for 1000 years that has tentacles that'll release you immediately if shot with a blaster, still has full armor and weaponry and a jetpack that may or may not be broken

"IT BURPED!! HE'S DEAD!! NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT!!!"

OK, Boomer

THANK YOU!

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Bobba was not uninjured. He flew head first directly into the side of a metal ship at jetpack speeds.

That bucket protects his skull but his neck is fethed.

Yeah, no.

But keep telling yourself your make believe space friend, whose sole purpose for existence was to die an ignominious death, is alive if it makes you feel better.

Lance845 & Sterling191. I think both of you are being woefully unreasonable.
In canon? Yeah Boba is dead....for now. I accept that. If this mystery character does not turn out to be Boba, cool, whatever. I don't even think it will be, if I'm honest. That's be too fan-servicey

But I don't agree that it 100% DEFINITIVELY CANNOT be Boba. It's still a VALID theory that can be supported by the movie's own IN CANON logic (just not so much real-world logic, even though I don't; personally see issues there either).
I'll admit Boba's probably dead. I just want either or both of you to be reasonable enough to admit (with the movies logic) that Boba COULS be alive, even if the slimmest chance exists

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I'd be fine if they canonized Boba Fett being alive, but really messed up. Like, Vader levels of messed up- requiring cybernetics to stay alive, limiting much of his capabilities and forcing him to find a way to adapt in order to become effective again.

However, George Lucas let anyone with a typewriter crank out Star Wars books, as long as he got his royalties. Then, after letting people turn much of the EU into an absolute cringe-fest (let's be honest, some of it was awesome but a lot of it was trash), he would randomly make sweeping declarations that directly contradicted everything he "approved" in the past (Basically, he read the material like people read EULA's) and when writers had to work around Lucas' declarations and creative ventures- it made the EU worse.

I only thought about that because I remember the book about Boba Fett surviving, "Tales from Jabba's Palace"- and pretty much everything except the Boba Fett story made Twilight seem like a literary classic.

I'm not saying Fett surviving is a good or a bad thing, it's just silly to assume he can't come back. This is basic Pulp sci-fi, serials-style storytelling. This is Buck Rogers or Flash Gordan. It's like assuming the villain that fell over the cliff is actually dead. No, he's gonna be back next episode. They always come back next episode. Maybe he'll have an eyepatch. That's how it works.

And I'm not saying Fett CAN'T be dead, he can be whatever the writers write him to be. I just find the insistence that he MUST be dead to be an inherently silly argument that's inconsistent with the rest of setting.


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 Galef wrote:

But I don't agree that it 100% DEFINITIVELY CANNOT be Boba. It's still a VALID theory that can be supported by the movie's own IN CANON logic (just not so much real-world logic, even though I don't; personally see issues there either).
I'll admit Boba's probably dead. I just want either or both of you to be reasonable enough to admit (with the movies logic) that Boba COULS be alive, even if the slimmest chance exists

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I will be utterly disappointed if he somehow turns out to be Boba Fett. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be Fett, especially since the showrunners have gone out of their way to distinguish his look from Fett's. That would be awful, awful storytelling of the kind of "Mystery Box!" crap that JJ Abrams used to try to pull, maybe even bad M Night Shyamalan levels.

 Kalamadea wrote:
And I'm not saying Fett CAN'T be dead, he can be whatever the writers write him to be. I just find the insistence that he MUST be dead to be an inherently silly argument that's inconsistent with the rest of setting.

This right here says my meaning way better than all my previous posts combined. I think I started defending a point I wasn't even trying to make.

As for there being no setup for Boba? Showrunners denying a character being in a show or movie is a well known tactic if they want that character to be a surprise. So I wouldn't be disappointed at al if mystery dude is Fett.
Fett, afterall was originally supposed to be Clint Eastwood in space. Down to the cowboy spurs noise as he walked and everything. Lucas doubled down on this theme by making Jango a quick draw Gunslinger (which is coincidentally the name of the last episode).
As the Mando is very clearly a Western, introducing the original SW Cowboy would not be out of place at all.

But I also agree with Lance and Kalamadea that Boba is BOTH the cartoon serial bad guy that
A) is there purely to get defeated by the good guys and
B) can be written back for the next "episode"

And if the Mando needs a good foil for a season cliff hanger, Boba is not the worst choice. Even though a new character would seem to be preferred by the majority of this thread

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StraightSilver wrote:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen.

He's wearing yellow gloves. I'm fairly sure he hasn't taken them off at any point so far.

His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour.

They explain right at the start that Beskar is really scarce. So his original armour was not Beskar, and he replaces it as he gets enough.

The Beskar being unpainted is just to accentuate that it is Beskar. There's no particular reason the armourer wouldn't have painted it, or he wouldn't have done it himself during downtime, if he had wanted it painted.

His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used.

The fact that he's using Mandalorian weapons isn't a clue that he's Boba Fett.

His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".

Was there ever a suggestion that Boba has his father's memories? That's not an automatic part of the cloning process, and I don't recall it being a thing in Boba's case. More likely not to be, in fact, since Jango wanted an unmodified clone that he could raise as a son.

And no, the flashbacks don't mesh with Jango's backstory either, thanks to the super battle droid.

Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.

I think you're reading too much into an off-the-cuff remark here. And given that Boba was regarded as an outsider by the Mandalorians at large, it doesn't fit anyway.

Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.

He's a bounty hunter. He's would have spent a lot of time in the outer rim.

Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.

I'm not sure what that has to do with Boba Fett. He wasn't in that scene. It's just a wink at Ep4.

One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"

Recycling lines has been a staple of Star Wars dialogue since forever. It's not an indication that the Mando is Boba any more than all the people who say 'I've got a bad feeling about this' are the same person.