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AduroT wrote: I’d always wondered how blockades were supposed to work with so much open space.
To be fair, same as real world naval blockades; you don’t blockade the massive, empty, ocean. You blockade the ports where people are trying to go, or the channels and straits they have to go through.
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AduroT wrote: I’d always wondered how blockades were supposed to work with so much open space.
In the movies and shows it works through the unspoken gentleman's agreement to go straight through the enemy fleet presence. That approach has yet to fail.
Because geometry is hard I'm going to make the unsubstantiated claim that if you have at least four monitors in orbit with line of sight to each other, your sensors can cover the entire surface of the planet and you can pick up launching ships the moment they take off. From there you have to dispatch some of your forces to intercept. That should work about as well as it ever will, and should work both for incoming and outgoing traffic.
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I looked into this kamino thing. Apparently the planet/it's star are on the very edge of the galaxy so people "consider" it extra galactic. Which is just nonsense to say it's far away from everything. Being on the edge of the galactic disk is still being a part of the galactic disk.
What a bunch of total nonsense wording that confuses people.
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yeah, that sounds like a way to mass hand wave any extra-galactic comments as the speaker meaning figurative when they describe kamino as "extra-galactic", rather than literally.
Yeah, I'm not sure why they bother to try and differentiate it from the Outer Rim.
most likely? the outer rim is explicitly a well known but backwater area, full of settled, established, but unimportant worlds like Tatooine, Geonosis and Utapau. to use an earth analogy, they are the African countries: important to those that live there, well known enough in the core, but far form the centres of power and only important on the wider setting when the great powers fight over them and their resources.
Kamino is closer to a secret Antarctic base, or maybe one of the remote pacific islands: its not near anything, and if it wasn't for the scientists their, no one would care about it.
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LunarSol wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure why they bother to try and differentiate it from the Outer Rim.
Like so many weird explanations in Star Wars canon, it will be because someone wrote something somewhere that conflicts with something someone else wrote somewhere else, and so an additional someone has to write something that makes both of those things technically correct.
xerxeskingofking wrote: yeah, that sounds like a way to mass hand wave any extra-galactic comments as the speaker meaning figurative when they describe kamino as "extra-galactic", rather than literally.
Yeah, I'm not sure why they bother to try and differentiate it from the Outer Rim.
most likely? the outer rim is explicitly a well known but backwater area, full of settled, established, but unimportant worlds like Tatooine, Geonosis and Utapau. to use an earth analogy, they are the African countries: important to those that live there, well known enough in the core, but far form the centres of power and only important on the wider setting when the great powers fight over them and their resources.
Kamino is closer to a secret Antarctic base, or maybe one of the remote pacific islands: its not near anything, and if it wasn't for the scientists their, no one would care about it.
Sure. That still makes it part of the galaxy.
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hey, i aggree its silly, im just saying langauge is also silly, and people make hyperbolic statements all the damm time. Kamino is clearly part of the Galaxy Far Far Away, but in the common opinion of the inhabitants there, its so far away form everything that its "extra-galactic"
episode four spoilers
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well, THAT was somewhat unexpected.
Ahsoka seems to be in some sort of force dream place. its odd. nice to see Hayden, though
I'm of the opinion that thiers a 50% chance general Syndulla is going to be run out of the service for "insubordination" etc.
also, minor point, but does anyone else think that Ahsoka's single sabre guards in these fights are much more kendo/kenjitsu like than traditional lightsabre styles? it must be a deliberate character choice they are going for.
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Plot elements aside, I’m really enjoying the lightsaber combat in this show. Less frenetic and pointlessly spinny than the prequels, but significantly more accomplished than the OT. I’d say it’s the sweet spot between the two. YMMV of course.
Ahsoka is back in the World Between Worlds. A sort of but maybe not parallel dimension we first encountered in Rebels, and indeed how Ahsoka was saved by Ezra, following her seeming death in her duel with Vader on Korriban.
I really didn’t expect the bad guys to get away with it. And it’s nice to see them being sensible and just jumping at the first opportunity. But of course they didn’t have it entirely their own way. Possibly the last existing Inquisitor dead, and perhaps somewhat foolishly given what she’s like, they took Sabine aboard.
Really solid episode for me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thought….
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Given there’s currently but one know route between Galaxies? Does that mean Thrawn will have to return to the point of departure?
Assuming of course there aren’t more such maps in the destination Galaxy.
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Lance845 wrote: I looked into this kamino thing. Apparently the planet/it's star are on the very edge of the galaxy so people "consider" it extra galactic. Which is just nonsense to say it's far away from everything. Being on the edge of the galactic disk is still being a part of the galactic disk.
What a bunch of total nonsense wording that confuses people.
Its also irrelevant. AFAIK, it doesn't come up in the films or even the cartoons (or prior D+ shows), so no one outside EU grognards and wookiepedia 'experts' are going to know or care.
Its the ultimate 'Well, actually...' moment that just provokes an eyeroll.
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Lance845 wrote: I looked into this kamino thing. Apparently the planet/it's star are on the very edge of the galaxy so people "consider" it extra galactic. Which is just nonsense to say it's far away from everything. Being on the edge of the galactic disk is still being a part of the galactic disk.
What a bunch of total nonsense wording that confuses people.
Its also irrelevant. AFAIK, it doesn't come up in the films or even the cartoons (or prior D+ shows), so no one outside EU grognards and wookiepedia 'experts' are going to know or care. Its the ultimate 'Well, actually...' moment that just provokes an eyeroll.
It matters in the point that the Starwars galaxy has been an isolated single galaxy.
If THIS show is going to have actual extra galactic travel that is a big thing for Starwars in general. The only ACTUAL extra galactic contact from the EU is the Vong. And I am not saying that they are going to bring them into the SW universe here and now. But I am pointing out that Thrawn/Ezra ending up in a different galaxy is actually a major thing.
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Lance845 wrote: I looked into this kamino thing. Apparently the planet/it's star are on the very edge of the galaxy so people "consider" it extra galactic. Which is just nonsense to say it's far away from everything. Being on the edge of the galactic disk is still being a part of the galactic disk.
What a bunch of total nonsense wording that confuses people.
Its also irrelevant. AFAIK, it doesn't come up in the films or even the cartoons (or prior D+ shows), so no one outside EU grognards and wookiepedia 'experts' are going to know or care.
Its the ultimate 'Well, actually...' moment that just provokes an eyeroll.
It matters in the point that the Starwars galaxy has been an isolated single galaxy.
If THIS show is going to have actual extra galactic travel that is a big thing for Starwars in general. The only ACTUAL extra galactic contact from the EU is the Vong. And I am not saying that they are going to bring them into the SW universe here and now. But I am pointing out that Thrawn/Ezra ending up in a different galaxy is actually a major thing.
Oh sure. Its a big deal if its true and there are future consequences. Otherwise its almost exactly like going to an unknown sector of the same galaxy, just really far away so you need to hang a naquadah generator on your stargate or whatever.
But a lot of the responses to 'extragalactic' have been 'well, technically...' Which both undercuts it and relies basically on the worst sort of 'secret nerd knowledge,' not anything actively presented in most SW media.
Honestly, though... I think I'd rather have the Vong rather than have them do this whole song and dance about extra-galactic travel and have it amount to basically nothing or a dropped plot point. (Which is what I expect from SW and D+ at this point). On the other hand, the Vong were really silly edgelord nonsense that the setting didn't need.
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Zero desire for the Vong. I was a huge EU reader and that whole era really killed it for me.
That episode was an absolute delight though. There's so much great Star Wars here and they've done so much right with Sabine and Baylen in particular both in terms of characterization and how it makes their fights worthwhile.
Some specifics:
Spoiler:
Are we to assume Marrok was zombie 8th Brother? Definitely powered by nightsister magic, but I'm curious if we're going to get anything more.
World Between Worlds.... honestly I wasn't sure if we'd ever touch on this again. It's a hugely dangerous but interesting direction for the franchise. I'm sure its basically just going to be a cameo here, but what an opportunity to pay off this character's journey.
It's kind of wild they've left the heroes with basically no follow up. Obviously Sabine can be our POV but I'm curious what role Ahsoka and Hera has left to play in the story. I don't feel like they are actually going to end Thrawn in this show.
Ahsoka not being able to use her hand was used so well, as was Sabine mixing in Mando tech. Both of these fights are wonderfully done in the kind of mix of action and character the OT excelled in.
ok, so, spoilerific speculation, in regards to where this series sits in the overall timeline:
Spoiler:
according to the opening scroll of ashoka, this is happening pretty soon after the capture of morgen, specifically when shes being taken to the New Republic to stand trail, which would put it shortly after the events of the Book of Boda Fett (ie the last time we've seen ashoka in canon before this series). Unless she spent several months in captivity in the Outer Rim before being shipped to the New Republic proper (which is possible), this would also put it before or at the same time as the events of Mando S3, and specifically before the scenes in mando where the imperial remenants are arguing about the fortold return of Thrawn. unless I am mistaken, that scene would kinda have to be later in the timeline than we are with the ashoka series unless we spent and inordinate amount of time in the other galaxy (like several months).
I am of the opinion that Thrawn will not manage to return to the Galaxy Far Far Away. He will be defeated this other galaxy he is currently in, and the shots of him we've seen are in this other galaxy. By the point in the timeline of the scene of the imperials bickering about when thrawn will return, he's already been defeated, but they just dont know it (call it an ironic bonus for people re-watching it).
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Our baddies really are shining in this series. They’re not just smart, but sensible.
Sure the Goon Squad exists only to get ded. But we’re not seeing unnecessary risks taken.
Also, Chinny Reckons?
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I’m honestly wondering if Elsbeth is trying to find Thrawn. I mean…she’s a Night Sister. And that map? Seemingly belonged to the Night Sisters.
We know those on Dathomir were wiped out at Darth Sidious’ command. So he’d make a strange bedfellow for their descendant.
Maybe she’s off to this other Galaxy not to retrieve Thrawn (I mean, where the flip would he be? How do you find him?), but to bring back Night Sisters, to fill the power vacuum left by the Sith and Jedi being all but gone?
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I think Thrawn IS coming back to the Galaxy Far Far Away.
I think they have decided all of these shows are building up to a cross over in which Thrawn is the big bad.
We get the Mandolorians, the New Republic, Rebels Rag Tag Survivors, and Bobba Fett's kids on scooters uniting together to fight against Thrawn and whatever he brings with him from this other galaxy.
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xerxeskingofking wrote: ok, so, spoilerific speculation, in regards to where this series sits in the overall timeline:
Spoiler:
according to the opening scroll of ashoka, this is happening pretty soon after the capture of morgen, specifically when shes being taken to the New Republic to stand trail, which would put it shortly after the events of the Book of Boda Fett (ie the last time we've seen ashoka in canon before this series). Unless she spent several months in captivity in the Outer Rim before being shipped to the New Republic proper (which is possible), this would also put it before or at the same time as the events of Mando S3, and specifically before the scenes in mando where the imperial remenants are arguing about the fortold return of Thrawn. unless I am mistaken, that scene would kinda have to be later in the timeline than we are with the ashoka series unless we spent and inordinate amount of time in the other galaxy (like several months).
I am of the opinion that Thrawn will not manage to return to the Galaxy Far Far Away. He will be defeated this other galaxy he is currently in, and the shots of him we've seen are in this other galaxy. By the point in the timeline of the scene of the imperials bickering about when thrawn will return, he's already been defeated, but they just dont know it (call it an ironic bonus for people re-watching it).
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I realize there's a certain cynicism these days regarding which character a show is named after and who the show actually focuses on, but I doubt that it will actually marginalize Ahsoka going forward. I expect her role will be to help Hera convince the New Republic to put a fleet over the planet and give Thrawn a warm welcome when he returns, and then participate in the big fight at the end.
Maybe she’s off to this other Galaxy not to retrieve Thrawn (I mean, where the flip would he be? How do you find him?), but to bring back Night Sisters, to fill the power vacuum left by the Sith and Jedi being all but gone?
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Provided Thrawn isn't conveniently close the end point of the purrgil migration route they're following, he still shouldn't be hard to find. Remember that Obi-Wan found Anakin through his transponder signal in Attack of the Clones, not just pinging into the void in hopes of a response but presumably by automated response so he knew exactly that Anakin was on Tatooine. There's no reason to believe Thrawn doesn't want to be found, so even if he's a bit away, knowing his ship's transponder codes (how hard can it be for a high ranking ex-Imperial to get them?) makes him dead easy to locate unless he spent the last ten years zipping around that galaxy and ending up on the other ass end of it.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Wouldn’t it be great if Thrawn refused to return? Just “no. Sod off. I like it here. Get off my Juniper Bushes!
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Granny Palps is dead(ish). The Empire lies shattered. The might of the Imperial military was helpless in the face of a tribe of teddy bears. If Thrawn comes back and actually manages to resurrect the Empire, in whose honor do you think they'll raise statues? The founder or the savior? I don't think his ego would let him resist the temptation.
Also Thrawn isn't hicky enough for a get off my lawn moment.
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Why is the rum always gone?
I realize there's a certain cynicism these days regarding which character a show is named after and who the show actually focuses on, but I doubt that it will actually marginalize Ahsoka going forward. I expect her role will be to help Hera convince the New Republic to put a fleet over the planet and give Thrawn a warm welcome when he returns, and then participate in the big fight at the end.
Spoiler:
Provided Thrawn isn't conveniently close the end point of the purrgil migration route they're following, he still shouldn't be hard to find. Remember that Obi-Wan found Anakin through his transponder signal in Attack of the Clones, not just pinging into the void in hopes of a response but presumably by automated response so he knew exactly that Anakin was on Tatooine. There's no reason to believe Thrawn doesn't want to be found, so even if he's a bit away, knowing his ship's transponder codes (how hard can it be for a high ranking ex-Imperial to get them?) makes him dead easy to locate unless he spent the last ten years zipping around that galaxy and ending up on the other ass end of it.
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sorry, i must have been unclear. I do not think that Ahsoka is going to be sidelined, though maybe hera is. I expect Ahsoka to use this force-space or whatever it is to travel to the far end of the long jump and catch up with Morgen (and sabine).
what i meant was that whatever is going to happen, its going to be contained to, at most, the gateway system in the Galaxy Far, Far, Away.
that said, the timeline of these D+ shows is a little....vague. Mando S1 and S2 are both fully set in 9ABY. Book of boba fett, Mando S3 and this show are all somewhere in eitehr late 9ABY or early 10ABY, but thiers no hard answers as to when. As far as canon is concerned, less than a year has past between Djinn getting tasked with finding grogu, and the return to Madalore.
it could be these events are happening more or less alongside those in Mando S3, or slightly before or after, we just dont know.
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LunarSol wrote: Zero desire for the Vong. I was a huge EU reader and that whole era really killed it for me.
I loved the Vong as a concept - pitting the Jedi up against an enemy that didn't exist in the Force was a cool idea. It was let down by some really inconsistent writing, though, and the fact that different writers had very different takes on some characters, particularly Luke.
My take on the Droid Legions? A safe foe that Jedi could wreck with impunity in their role as Generals, all part of Palpatine’s plan to corrupt the order. Same as the Clone Army.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: My take on the Droid Legions? A safe foe that Jedi could wreck with impunity in their role as Generals, all part of Palpatine’s plan to corrupt the order. Same as the Clone Army.
Also a safe foe that can be destroyed with impunity in a children's show.
The version of the Clone Wars hinted at in Timothy Zahn's books (where the Clones were the aggressors, having gone insane and turned on the Republic) would have potentially been much darker.
Question for the people who have watched the show. As someone who's detested nearly everything Disney has done with Star Wars, is Ahsoka worth giving a shot? I really like Rosario Dawson which makes me kinda curious to try this one. I know absolutely nothing about the character, am I gonna be instantly lost without doing the 'homework' first?
If you have disliked everything else Disney has done so far, you're unlikely to like this any more than the previous offerings. It's very much in the same sort of vein as the Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett in tone and pacing.
creeping-deth87 wrote: Question for the people who have watched the show. As someone who's detested nearly everything Disney has done with Star Wars, is Ahsoka worth giving a shot? I really like Rosario Dawson which makes me kinda curious to try this one. I know absolutely nothing about the character, am I gonna be instantly lost without doing the 'homework' first?
From someone who is in a similar position regarding Disney Star Wars: it's definitely worth a shot. You don't need to do much homework, she is Anakin's former apprentice who at some point decided to leave the jedi order to go on a trip to Australia. She has since clashed with Vader and does feel somewhat guilty for leaving her master and potentially having contributed to his fall to the dark side.
You might want to do some reading on who Sabine and Ezra are, but that's not super important, as the show does a good job of explaining most of the dynamics.
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