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 nels1031 wrote:
Sidenote: 15% Rotten Tomatoes audience score for this show is hilarious, while 3 million fewer people watched the premiere of this show than for the premiere of Ahsoka.

I'm not surprised about the latter part. Ahsoka (the character) is bound to be a big draw and the show is Rebels season 5. I should think it comes with a larger prospective audience just for that, compared to Jedi in their yellow period.

For the former, feels a bit premature to rate the show before it's done. Or is it an average of episode ratings so far? Still a bit early in my opinion, even if the writing/composition issues are hard to miss and won't likely get much better in retrospect.

15% seems absurdly low. I have some issues with the writing so far and I'm not 100% convinced they'll all be resolved by the end of the season. That said, this is clearly not on the level of "worst show ever", which is what a 15% rating would indicate.

I’ve heard that there’s been an awful lot of review bombing going on from the “anti-woke” crowd and SW “fans” who are still bent out of shape about the sequel trilogy.

I just don’t get it, but that seems to be the way of the world at the moment.

The show's certainly not perfect, but the Book of Boba Fett has a 51% audience score. 15% for this one says there's targeted shenanigans going on.

The fact that it got within 3 million views of Ahsoka says people are watching it... As Geifer said, Ahsoka was a much bigger draw, with an established audience, than a new show with unknown characters.

I’ll admit to thinking all 3 episodes have been varying levels of garbage, but 15% this early on is excessive. On the flipside, 84% critic score is also highly suspect. Thats damn near the same score as Breaking Bad season 1.




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 Jadenim wrote:

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We’re not talking about the witches robes; during the ceremony all of the witches are gathered in a group in front of the leader. During her speech (I think it was when she mentioned something about the miracle of new life), she glances to her side and off in the distance over her shoulder there is a dark, hooded, figure watching the ceremony. They do not appear to be a witch.

Watched the episode 2 times(I like mysteries and small details like this) and all I see are the guards, even in that part you mentioned, which wear dark hooded robes different from the purple witch robes.

Its possible that I’m missing it, but I really don’t want to sit through that dumb ass chant one more time.

 Jadenim wrote:
I’ve heard that there’s been an awful lot of review bombing going on from the “anti-woke” crowd and SW “fans” who are still bent out of shape about the sequel trilogy.

I just don’t get it, but that seems to be the way of the world at the moment.

Reviewbombing is very much a thing these days and interested protest groups have found it very effective at causing damage. Because they know a lot of people won't bother positive reviewing and will only fixate on the negative score and nothing else. So review bombs can be very damaging to a firm and powerful. They abuse the fact that a lot of people browse the net on their phone or tablet or at work; so they are in more of a reading than writing mode.

I know steam was looking into tools to try and tackle it and I feel like its going to be a big thing for whoever can find a solution to review bombing. Especially as whilst there are times it helps (eg the Warhammer 3 reviewbombing seemed to actually have a positive result); there are many (more) times where its detrimental to the firm and often the thing being created. Especially as this method can put a lot of power in very niche specialist interest groups - eg the "anti woke/women" type groups; or into "hate" groups.

I can well see a time when firms will want to push really easy ways to positive score things or impede negative reviews just to try and curb things.

Star Wars hate has been a viable career path for over half a decade now and people work very hard to keep their jobs. That's not to say that all the hate is from that circle (nor does hating the show put you in that circle) but it tends to be where the organized review bombs come from.

 LunarSol wrote:
Star Wars hate has been a viable career path for over half a decade now and people work very hard to keep their jobs. That's not to say that all the hate is from that circle (nor does hating the show put you in that circle) but it tends to be where the organized review bombs come from.

Heck that reminds me - maybe the end to it all is just to tell Youtube to change the algoritum to bias positive clickbait instead of negative. Considering how it works and how people engage with it I think its well beyond the "bad news sells" theory and well into the "tell them what they want to read" angle.

Something that got me in the recent episode:
Osha says she wants to be a Jedi, and the Jedi just happen to turn up.
But, if the witches were so isolated and remote, how would she know about them anyway? Are the witches commonly discussing other groups, and making them somehow appealing enough for Osha to want to join them in place of staying a part her own community?
And the Jedi saying "Witches training children is bad" and straight to "We'll take this child and train her".

I didn't get the impression that without further information Osha should want to be a Jedi. The witches don't seem like the sort that present a balanced view of the competition.

I think cult leader mom mentioned the Jedi during training (you know, the part where Jedi use the Force as a weapon and the coven supposedly does not). I figure that's what the twins would be exposed to. Yeah, there are other Force users out there, but they're all bad people, unlike us. Stuff like that.

At a guess the thinking here might be that Osha is so dissatisfied that she'd just about join anyone else as long as she doesn't have to go through with the ceremony and stay attached to Mae. I wouldn't be particularly surprised either. The fact that Mae is the evil twin doesn't automatically make Osha the good twin. She's more like the contrarian twin, really. That seems like an approach that's in character with her. Even if I got the impression that she knows more about the Jedi than she should.

My read is that Osha primarily wanted to see the Galaxy. Remain with the coven and the ascension? And that’s not going to happen because they’re reclusive.

But, the Jedi? The Jedi at least appeared to a child a way to see the galaxy.

Given she left the Jedi Order, we can reasonably infer she was eventually disavowed of that notion, realising she’d swapped one cult’s strict rules for another cult’s strict rules.

 insaniak wrote:
The show's certainly not perfect, but the Book of Boba Fett has a 51% audience score. 15% for this one says there's targeted shenanigans going on.

The fact that it got within 3 million views of Ahsoka says people are watching it... As Geifer said, Ahsoka was a much bigger draw, with an established audience, than a new show with unknown characters.

I can firmly say that in a ranking, there's no way the Acolyte (so far) is worse than Book of Boba Fett. The production quality on Boba Fett was maybe a bit better, but Book of Boba Fett was a hot mess of a show with no idea what it was trying to be. The Acolyte whether it comes together or not, clearly has an idea what it wants to be and that's an automatic win over Boba Fett in my book.

At least Book of Boba didn't seem like poorly written lesbian fan fiction. And it's no accident that this show is being released during Pride Month. They're trying to shove it up the nose of the so-called "anti-woke" crowd, and then act surprised by said crowd's irritation. It's basically flamebait.

Now, the show's "wokeness" isn't what's bothering me about it, but rather that it's absolutely pants-on-head stupid. So much contradiction and illogic. I might continue to watch it, only because it's like watching a train crash or something, where what we're seeing is horrible yet we can't look away...

 ZergSmasher wrote:
At least Book of Boba didn't seem like poorly written lesbian fan fiction...

Neither does this. Babies created by the Force is not a new concept to Star Wars.

 insaniak wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
At least Book of Boba didn't seem like poorly written lesbian fan fiction...

Neither does this. Babies created by the Force is not a new concept to Star Wars.

Which is more likely?

Spontaneous creation of life from a primal force of nature?
or...
Jedi wakes up after a forbidden night of passion and mind-tricks the poor woman “I was never here, nothing happened” and slinks out back to the temple?

OK, in a mostly family friendly high fantasy space opera, the first is more probably likely. But I know what my head cannon says...

 Nevelon wrote:
OK, in a mostly family friendly high fantasy space opera, the first is more probably likely. But I know what my head cannon says...

Obi-Wan taught you well.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
At least Book of Boba didn't seem like poorly written lesbian fan fiction. And it's no accident that this show is being released during Pride Month. They're trying to shove it up the nose of the so-called "anti-woke" crowd, and then act surprised by said crowd's irritation. It's basically flamebait.

Uh huh. And there's no projection here at all, right? If you think this is some sort of lesbian fan fiction you probably need to broaden your horizons a little bit

I'm fairly sure they're going with the twins being conceived through the Force. That said, it's not that unusual for families to disown a parent and tell their kids and/or others "there is no father". Like I said, probably literal given established SW canon, but could also be a figure of speech. It also seems like a pretty stupid thing to say to a bunch of Jedi that you want to leave you alone. Pretty sure they'd be even more interested in Force sensitive twins if they were also some sort of immaculate conception.

They never said it to the Jedi, though. Not mentioning it to the Jedi was even very specifically mentioned to be the preferred course of action...

 insaniak wrote:
They never said it to the Jedi, though. Not mentioning it to the Jedi was even very specifically mentioned to be the preferred course of action...

Really? My memory must be a bit wonky. Who asked who their father was? I'm trying to remember how that line came about now.

The Jedi asked, and were told “there is no father”.

But, the possibly science or magical origin of the girls was only discussed within the Coven.

 insaniak wrote:
The show's certainly not perfect, but the Book of Boba Fett has a 51% audience score. 15% for this one says there's targeted shenanigans going on.

Given the sudden dip in the review scores for 2008's Australian horror thriller "Acolytes", I think that's fair to say

100% there’s targeted shenanigans.

Risk your sanity by sampling some of the one and half star reviews.

All moaning episode 3 makes no sense. In a way which suggests many haven’t actually watched it, or if they have, they’ve no media awareness whatsoever, considering an ongoing mystery being, y’know, ongoing, to be “poor writing”.

Which being 37.5% of the episodes aired so far, is a bit like pissing and moaning you’re a third of the way through a murder mystery novel, play, game or movie, and they’ve not told you who the killer is yet.

Unless it’s Columbo, which is of course a How and Why Dunnit.

Columbo is the only murder mystery series that ever interested me. Pretty much because of the absence of the mystery part.

Which is why, even though I'm not saying the Acolyte stinks or anything, the whole mystery part of it has me thoroughly in an are we there yet mood. Get to it already!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The Jedi asked, and were told “there is no father”.

But, the possibly science or magical origin of the girls was only discussed within the Coven.

Well those dark siders presumably would be rubbish boyfriends and not stick around for the kids, so they generate all the Jedi through their carelessness?

I'm only 1 episode in. I'm watching with my kiddos. That said the first episode, even with it's timing issues, is miles ahead of book of fett. Book of Fett, outside of the grogu/mando diversion, was probably the worst show I've watched in a long long time.

I haven't resubbed to Disney or started watching this yet, but I did see the "power of many" clip on youtube and that was about enough to deter me from doing so. I'll probably check back in when Andor s2 is out, at least that show wasn't embarassing to witness.

I do agree though that The book of Boba Fett was pretty awful. The Mandalorian s3 got worse too, top tier immersive sci fi content right there with Jack Black and Lizzo disappearing into their roles seamlessly it was like watching an SNL skit.

Mando 3 is absolutely plagued by its whole team doing it out of obligation. It's saving grace is definitely that Giancarlo is absolutely there to chew some scenery.

I don’t get the dislike of Mando S3.

It delves pretty deeply into Mandalorian Culture, and promises a renaissance of sorts, post-Empire.

My main grump is I was swizzed out of a space battle I’d been looking forward to since we saw the Mando fleet, and found out Moff Gideon had a wing or more of TIE Interceptors at his disposal.

But the plot was completely fine.

The plot IS completely fine. It's just that there's not much enthusiasm from the cast to perform it. Most of the big moments are just kind of awkwardly shuffled through to get things in place for an admittedly very fun finale.