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keep in mind that chapters likely have limited supplies of Primaris Geneseed (we have no idea if primaris geneseed can be upgraded or they just start fresh, if they start fresh I could see a lotta chapters wanting to continue using old geneseed because "it came from this heroic memeber") also Primaris Equipment is likely hardish to get in comparison. chapters have armories full of old stuff, but primaris stuff would be much more limited because it has been in production for such a short period. chances are Cawl himself only made eneugh to supply the Marines he made, plus a degree of extras. that could bottle neck the IoMs ability to expand their primaris forces a bit.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

The Blood Angels lost their ability to make classic marines. During the Desolation of Baal, the Tyranids destroyed the Sarcophagi. So only Primaris for us.

They dont' need sarcophagi. They just prefer it.

The Aspirants drink the Primarch's blood and sleep for a year in the sarcophagi. Page 11, fourth paragraph under creation of Angels.

Yeah that's just an unnecessary ritual. So no they didn't lose the ability.

Please site the page where it says that. I think you guys are confusing the tendency of Blood Angels to sleep in the sarcophagi later in their lives with the creation of Blood Angels where it necessary. I guess they could stack the sleeping Aspirants in the hallway, but a Dreadnought might step on them.

FYI, The codex does not cover the destruction of the Sarcophagi, that happens in the Novel Desolation of Baal.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

The Blood Angels lost their ability to make classic marines. During the Desolation of Baal, the Tyranids destroyed the Sarcophagi. So only Primaris for us.

They dont' need sarcophagi. They just prefer it.

The Aspirants drink the Primarch's blood and sleep for a year in the sarcophagi. Page 11, fourth paragraph under creation of Angels.

Yeah that's just an unnecessary ritual. So no they didn't lose the ability.

Please site the page where it says that. I think you guys are confusing the tendency of Blood Angels to sleep in the sarcophagi later in their lives with the creation of Blood Angels where it necessary. I guess they could stack the sleeping Aspirants in the hallway, but a Dreadnought might step on them.

FYI, The codex does not cover the destruction of the Sarcophagi, that happens in the Novel Desolation of Baal.

I mean no other Chapters need to do it, and I'm not sure if Blood Angels successors need to do the same thing.

Soooooooo yeah unnecessary ritual. Nice overreaction.

I liked the mention in the 500 facts that some chapters are still making "mark one" marines to make use of old gear and tactics. Makes sense. No point in throwing out thousands of vehicles, sets of armor, and weapons that no one else could have used just because of an upgrade.

You know, kind of like how its economically stupid to make your most popular range of kits obsolete overnight

That 500 facts thing actually had a lot of cool little nods that I hadn't heard before, it was a fun article.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

The Blood Angels lost their ability to make classic marines. During the Desolation of Baal, the Tyranids destroyed the Sarcophagi. So only Primaris for us.

They dont' need sarcophagi. They just prefer it.

The Aspirants drink the Primarch's blood and sleep for a year in the sarcophagi. Page 11, fourth paragraph under creation of Angels.

Yeah that's just an unnecessary ritual. So no they didn't lose the ability.

Please site the page where it says that. I think you guys are confusing the tendency of Blood Angels to sleep in the sarcophagi later in their lives with the creation of Blood Angels where it necessary. I guess they could stack the sleeping Aspirants in the hallway, but a Dreadnought might step on them.

FYI, The codex does not cover the destruction of the Sarcophagi, that happens in the Novel Desolation of Baal.

I mean no other Chapters need to do it, and I'm not sure if Blood Angels successors need to do the same thing.

Soooooooo yeah unnecessary ritual. Nice overreaction.

What overreaction?

If i remember correctly, not all Sarcophagi got destroyed in the 'stealers diversion.

Even if the BA absolutely need the sarcophagi it is probably possible to build more, considering that they have always been able to create new successor chapters.

Or perhaps borrow one from a successor chapter or two?

 Stormonu wrote:
Or perhaps borrow one from a successor chapter or two?

Yeah I've seen that option referenced before on fan pages. Let's not forget that the original Imperial Fists (i.e. a direct continuation of the legion) no longer exist, the current Imperial Fists are actually an amalgamation of successor chapter lineages post War of the Beast.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Or perhaps borrow one from a successor chapter or two?

Yeah I've seen that option referenced before on fan pages. Let's not forget that the original Imperial Fists (i.e. a direct continuation of the legion) no longer exist, the current Imperial Fists are actually an amalgamation of successor chapter lineages post War of the Beast.

To be fair, at the time of the War of the Beast, the Second Founding Chapters were basically rebranded Legion-Chapters from the original legion anyway. They hadn't yet diverged enough to be considered unique, with the possible exception of the Black Templars but only because Sigismund is a literal lunatic.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I liked the mention in the 500 facts that some chapters are still making "mark one" marines to make use of old gear and tactics. Makes sense. No point in throwing out thousands of vehicles, sets of armor, and weapons that no one else could have used just because of an upgrade.

You know, kind of like how its economically stupid to make your most popular range of kits obsolete overnight

That 500 facts thing actually had a lot of cool little nods that I hadn't heard before, it was a fun article.

Speaking of the 500 facts:

210. Space Marines were originally designed to wear knee-high armoured boots, but at the time, they couldn’t be cast in plastic. Hence their iconic flared greaves were born!

That sounds like the Reiver's armoured boots and explains the inspiration for that choice (a choice I rather like to be honest).

They were probably meant to look like the boots of the 30th anniversary Imperial Space Marine model

robbienw wrote:
They were probably meant to look like the boots of the 30th anniversary Imperial Space Marine model

Likely true, but both likely have their roots in that original design of boots instead of massive greaves.

Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Nah, there will just be Primaris Terminators at some point (hopefully soon.)

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Well of course they're more shallow and less iconic, it's only been around a year since we started seeing them introduced into the game. That sort of thing takes time to build up. Give it five years or so and no one will be thinking about it even half as much as we do now.

 Crimson wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Nah, there will just be Primaris Terminators at some point (hopefully soon.)

This is my feeling too.

Same general aesthetic as regular Termies, but scaled and proportioned. Like Intercessors are to Tacticals.

I don't expect it any time soon though, it'll be a longer term things.

I just wish the previous Mks were scaled like that. I'd love Primaris with Mk3 armor

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I just wish the previous Mks were scaled like that. I'd love Primaris with Mk3 armor

Give it 10 years! I'm sure we'll see alternate aesthetic Primaris eventually.

 Stux wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I just wish the previous Mks were scaled like that. I'd love Primaris with Mk3 armor

Give it 10 years! I'm sure we'll see alternate aesthetic Primaris eventually.

proably not differant marks of armor that way, but most likely eventually we'll get some varient types for the "snow flake chapters"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I just wish the previous Mks were scaled like that. I'd love Primaris with Mk3 armor

Well, you can get pretty close by giving a Primaris body MKIII helmet, backpack, shoulderpads and arms.

I imagine Primaris terminators will be similar to aggressors but without the backpacks and probably extra plates. Either way I'm expecting a captain, librarian and Chaplin in that Armour.

Also where's the Primaris techmarine? Not that they're an ideal HQ but still

 Crimson wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Nah, there will just be Primaris Terminators at some point (hopefully soon.)

I know a lot of people don't agree, but from where I'm standing the Aggressors are a 5++ away from being a reasonable Terminator substitute for Primaris. Plus or minus a "Krakstorm" unit upgrade for the grenade launchers.

The Newman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Nah, there will just be Primaris Terminators at some point (hopefully soon.)

I know a lot of people don't agree, but from where I'm standing the Aggressors are a 5++ away from being a reasonable Terminator substitute for Primaris. Plus or minus a "Krakstorm" unit upgrade for the grenade launchers.

They don't look sufficiently terminatory. I want something like the new Custodes Terminators, except with way less bling.

The Newman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Thing is if GW cans old marines then theyd be getting rid of their more iconic stuff like the deathwing. The terminators are just too awesome and none of the primaris stuff comes close. The aggressors just look derpy and have a more typical sci fi starcraft look imo. They're still making video games based on pre primaris stuff. I think they would be comitting IP suicide to just get rid of so much cool stuff. The primaris are too shallow to replace the old marines

Nah, there will just be Primaris Terminators at some point (hopefully soon.)

I know a lot of people don't agree, but from where I'm standing the Aggressors are a 5++ away from being a reasonable Terminator substitute for Primaris. Plus or minus a "Krakstorm" unit upgrade for the grenade launchers.

While they're both durable elite troops, they currently fulfill very different battlefield roles. I don't think it would be difficult to keep Aggressors and Primaris Terminators separate and well defined.

I mean barring deep strike an invuln and a 2+(which you can get in cover) aggressors are just shootier terminators with T5

I was personally a little surprised that Aggressors were not replacement Terminators (because they're really not unless they replace/boost their stats eventually). It saddens me though, since Aggressors come three to a box, and future Terminators will likely be the same (or worse - be Centurion scaled).

The Centurion models really aren't bad with only a small amount of work. Even just taking off that weird padding around their legs makes them look a LOT better.

 fraser1191 wrote:
I imagine Primaris terminators will be similar to aggressors but without the backpacks and probably extra plates. Either way I'm expecting a captain, librarian and Chaplin in that Armour.

Also where's the Primaris techmarine? Not that they're an ideal HQ but still

He's sitting in the Repulsor's gunner seat manning the Onslaught Gatling Cannon.

That said, I want a Primaris Techmarine model just so I can use him with Thunderfire Cannon and keep the theme of my army intact visually at least.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
I imagine Primaris terminators will be similar to aggressors but without the backpacks and probably extra plates. Either way I'm expecting a captain, librarian and Chaplin in that Armour.

Also where's the Primaris techmarine? Not that they're an ideal HQ but still

He's sitting in the Repulsor's gunner seat manning the Onslaught Gatling Cannon.

That said, I want a Primaris Techmarine model just so I can use him with Thunderfire Cannon and keep the theme of my army intact visually at least.

a primaris Techmarine would be nice yeah, heck just give us a thunderfire canon in plastic with a primaris tech marine, two needs 1 release!