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 ClockworkZion wrote:

meleti wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

There’s a lot of good American stouts. American craft beer isn’t just IPAs, and if anything it’s drifted away from more and hoppier IPAs in the past few years.

There is a reason I've said "most American beers" and "usually doesn't measure up": because there are always exceptions.

Doesn't change that most American beers are just bad.

I agree. I strongly dislike IPAs. Shiner bock is my favorite all around beer. If you really want to chew on a beer, get a Stone Brewing - Double Bastard. I'm not even sure if Mortarian could stand it.

Sweet Emperors mercy, another whingefest where someone cant wait a while and wants 'MOAR STUFF NAOOW!!!!'

GW will keep releasing things, we've just had Kill Team, The new AoS (2nd ed), new ork vehicles are coming up. GW have released a phenomenal amount of product over the last few years, theyve even said Sisters will be next year and we've seen some digital sculpts for them already. Just sit back for a bit and enjoy your hobby, new stuff is coming soon..

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

meleti wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

There’s a lot of good American stouts. American craft beer isn’t just IPAs, and if anything it’s drifted away from more and hoppier IPAs in the past few years.

There is a reason I've said "most American beers" and "usually doesn't measure up": because there are always exceptions.

Doesn't change that most American beers are just bad.

I agree. I strongly dislike IPAs. Shiner bock is my favorite all around beer. If you really want to chew on a beer, get a Stone Brewing - Double Bastard. I'm not even sure if Mortarian could stand it.

This is so weird, I was recommending Double Bastard to a friend earlier today!

Talking about how Stone Brewing's marketing inspired what BrewDog did in their earlier days over here.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
Sweet Emperors mercy, another whingefest where someone cant wait a while and wants 'MOAR STUFF NAOOW!!!!'

GW will keep releasing things, we've just had Kill Team, The new AoS (2nd ed), new ork vehicles are coming up. GW have released a phenomenal amount of product over the last few years, theyve even said Sisters will be next year and we've seen some digital sculpts for them already. Just sit back for a bit and enjoy your hobby, new stuff is coming soon..

Again, I think the issue is the large increase is number of factions/armies in the game. If a new release isn't for someone's army, then it's usually ignored as most people only have a couple of armies that they play (or perhaps only 1). The increase in releases from Games Workshop would be thought to solve this issue, but the larger amount of armies that the game now hosts mitigates almost all of this benefit in the first place. It would be improper to demand that people be grateful for any release, and a little ignorant to assume the game hasn't changed in past 5-10 years.

 Stux wrote:

Check out some of the things Evil Twin, based in New York, are putting out. Some insanely good imperial stouts coming out of that brewery.

I'm in the Midwest and I'm not sure if we get much Evil Twin stocked around here, but I'll keep an eye out. My go to stout these days is Uncle Jacobs from Avery Brewing.

How did this thread devolve into talking about alcohol?

Anyway. I get where you're coming from. GW has spoiled us over the past year with releases, but most of those have been for Space Marines, Death Guard, Imperial Knights, and then some big shake-ups for Age of Sigmar. AoS got several new factions, boatloads of new models, and of course a new edition with models for spells and such.

There's a lot of factions that have been waiting a long time for any sort of attention. Glad that Orks and GSC are getting some new models here shortly, and I'm REALLY glad that Slaanesh is getting new models in the future...

But all of that is in the future. It's not now. Now is when I want to spend my money, and get an even larger backlog than I already have.

drbored wrote:
How did this thread devolve into talking about alcohol?

I mocked most American beers and here we are.

Besides, it's always topical since 40k is a beer and pretzels game.

drbored wrote:
How did this thread devolve into talking about alcohol?

Anyway. I get where you're coming from. GW has spoiled us over the past year with releases, but most of those have been for Space Marines, Death Guard, Imperial Knights, and then some big shake-ups for Age of Sigmar. AoS got several new factions, boatloads of new models, and of course a new edition with models for spells and such.

There's a lot of factions that have been waiting a long time for any sort of attention. Glad that Orks and GSC are getting some new models here shortly, and I'm REALLY glad that Slaanesh is getting new models in the future...

But all of that is in the future. It's not now. Now is when I want to spend my money, and get an even larger backlog than I already have.

Clearly we're so bored of GW's releases that we're resorting to alcoholism as a coping method.

I'm pretty content with GW though, frankly. I wish they'd go rescue the Eldar range from finecast, but the Orks and GSC ranges are deserving too.

Also, Xeno, you really meed to read this article!

Thanks to Crimson for steering us back toward the topic. Folks, please discuss alcohol in the Off-Topic Section, Thanks!

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
Sweet Emperors mercy, another whingefest where someone cant wait a while and wants 'MOAR STUFF NAOOW!!!!'

GW will keep releasing things, we've just had Kill Team, The new AoS (2nd ed), new ork vehicles are coming up. GW have released a phenomenal amount of product over the last few years, theyve even said Sisters will be next year and we've seen some digital sculpts for them already. Just sit back for a bit and enjoy your hobby, new stuff is coming soon..

that is an argument only if someone buys and plays absoltuly every game GW makes. I understand that marine players are unhappy that a lot of their stuff aged bad in 8th ed, but at least they got new stuff. Most of the armies coming up did get new stuff, marines other then GK, were given a lot by solo virtue of getting primaris. But what does someone like a necron player get out of 8th ed? a new cryptek model, when crypteks are already falling out of his ears. Stuff can be balanced by getting good rules though. I doubt the number of eldar players unhappy about 8th ed is very large.

. The increase in releases from Games Workshop would be thought to solve this issue, but the larger amount of armies that the game now hosts mitigates almost all of this benefit in the first place.

but GW doesn't have to make new models to give them new rules. they have WD, they could print rules for whole pre build armies that are cool and have good rules. They could give special rules to brotherhoods, IG regiments, kabals etc If someone has to wait years for an update it is crazy. I get that a very good or good codex, can be switched in game play with a CA, but if the codex is bad and there is nothing to save in it, then the amount of text they can dedict to a faction is too small to help with just a CA. And because bad factions are played less, the chance for an update are really small. I bet that if by some strange star aligment eldar suddenly became bad, they would get a codex in 3 months, and a FAQ fix after 2-3 weeks.

Necrons players get the same stuff other factions like Tau got: updated rules for the new edition. The Necrons kits are slightly older than Tau kits, I'll concede, but there's ranges that are in worse shape than Necrons, too.

meleti wrote:
Necrons players get the same stuff other factions like Tau got: updated rules for the new edition. The Necrons kits are slightly older than Tau kits, I'll concede, but there's ranges that are in worse shape than Necrons, too.

What do age of kits has to do if anything, if the units that they make are so bad, no one wants to buy them in the first place? It is like tau, pre CA 6-9 cmds in every army. Same with nids and tyrants. Good units, people buy and run it, Bad units few people buy it and ever fewer resell it for cheap.

Karol wrote:

meleti wrote:
Necrons players get the same stuff other factions like Tau got: updated rules for the new edition. The Necrons kits are slightly older than Tau kits, I'll concede, but there's ranges that are in worse shape than Necrons, too.

What do age of kits has to do if anything, if the units that they make are so bad, no one wants to buy them in the first place? It is like tau, pre CA 6-9 cmds in every army. Same with nids and tyrants. Good units, people buy and run it, Bad units few people buy it and ever fewer resell it for cheap.

Not even talking about quality of rules, just new kit releases. I don't think GW is looking at how successful an army is in tournament play - several years beforehand, given the length of production - when they decide who to make new model kits for.

But the rules GW makes are not suited to tournament play to begin with, and if GW doesn't care about them, then why is CA not a free update, but a book that costs like a codex.
They seem to make rules at random for most factions, aside for eldar. Because there is no way in hell that somehow when other factions had their ups and downs, eldar remain top tier for 8 out of 8 editions.

Karol wrote:
But the rules GW makes are not suited to tournament play to begin with, and if GW doesn't care about them, then why is CA not a free update, but a book that costs like a codex.
They seem to make rules at random for most factions, aside for eldar. Because there is no way in hell that somehow when other factions had their ups and downs, eldar remain top tier for 8 out of 8 editions.

CA is more than just a book for balance and as such justifies its cost.

The problem is the balancing stuff inside should be available for free as well (aka the points costs pages). Unless GW assumes we'll just get those off the internet via other means I guess.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Karol wrote:
But the rules GW makes are not suited to tournament play to begin with, and if GW doesn't care about them, then why is CA not a free update, but a book that costs like a codex.
They seem to make rules at random for most factions, aside for eldar. Because there is no way in hell that somehow when other factions had their ups and downs, eldar remain top tier for 8 out of 8 editions.

CA is more than just a book for balance and as such justifies its cost.

The problem is the balancing stuff inside should be available for free as well (aka the points costs pages). Unless GW assumes we'll just get those off the internet via other means I guess.

Which most players do, anecdotally. Battlescribe and forum/Facebook posts will have updated points values within hours of CA releasing, if not earlier.

Karol wrote:
But the rules GW makes are not suited to tournament play to begin with, and if GW doesn't care about them, then why is CA not a free update, but a book that costs like a codex.

Because GW is a business that exists to make money and is, in fact, under a legal mandate maximize value to its shareholders and not a charity that exists to cater to your whim?

I can't help but feel that this is just a lot of whining. GW is moving significantly faster than they have done in the past. The sheer number of codices released within the year and a half or so since 8th edition dropped is unprecedented as far as I can recall.

Can't help but feel that with the "new" Geedubs, there are a lot of individuals sounding akin to self entitled 12 year olds. Not saying there aren't valid complaints to be made - Grey Knights players certainly have legitimate complaints for example - but the speed of things coming out? I can't help but scoff.

Thankfully dozens of other wargaming companies exist.
Dozens upon dozens of rulesets exist.
And dozens upon dozens upon dozens of manufacturers exist.

So plenty is out there to break the stale GW bubble of boredom and mediocrity

That would require effort, rather than someone else knocking the wall down for him/her.

It seems like people have absolute ZERO clue about how freaking long it takes to actually make a model, from the start of the first concept sketches, to the wire armature to the actual mold. It doesn't take hours, days or weeks. It takes months months. And since it's expensive as tits, they have to make absolute extremely sure that the model is just as they want it.

Or just CAD design it...it'll look gak but who cares? Your customers will still buy it

I think even with CAD it still probably takes a long time. I think people misunderstand why CAD is advantageous. When I learned to use CAD for architectural engineering in college, it wasn't really quicker, in fact it was quite a bit slower. The advantage was that you could make amendments to the finished product more easily and digital drawings are far easier to store, share and collaborate on.

I find this topic quite amusing.

I want a codex, I want new minis...etc.

Spare a thought for R&H players, myself on a very casual basis, who not only had their army range canned but a crap index nerfed on top.

Then start complaining...perspective people.

Shhh. It's ok. So long GW and FW are fighting a mini war behind the scenes we will not see anything.
Then GW will finaly take over FW and we will get a new and overpowered Codex made by GW with no soul but utterly destroying the meta until the next release.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoiler:

I find this topic quite amusing.

I want a codex, I want new minis...etc.

Spare a thought for R&H players, myself on a very casual basis, who not only had their army range canned but a crap index nerfed on top.

Then start complaining...perspective people.

Shhh. It's ok. So long GW and FW are fighting a mini war behind the scenes we will not see anything.
Then GW will finaly take over FW and we will get a new and overpowered Codex made by GW with no soul but utterly destroying the meta until the next release.

Shadow War: Nottinghamshire.

 Ginjitzu wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Spoiler:

I find this topic quite amusing.

I want a codex, I want new minis...etc.

Spare a thought for R&H players, myself on a very casual basis, who not only had their army range canned but a crap index nerfed on top.

Then start complaining...perspective people.

Shhh. It's ok. So long GW and FW are fighting a mini war behind the scenes we will not see anything.
Then GW will finaly take over FW and we will get a new and overpowered Codex made by GW with no soul but utterly destroying the meta until the next release.

Shadow War: Nottinghamshire.

"Ein Gespenst geht um in Europa" (historical joke, potentially interpreted edgy. If unhappy pls consider the complaintdepartment is a Gulag)

I honestly have a feeling that R&H players (as my self ) are short before we just decide to make our own Codex. The whole situations is unsatisfactory for the whole list (we lost a 3rd of our options in units and 90 % of our options and playstyles, GG NO RE FW/GW).
Especially mindboggling since the IA13 list was what many considered a masterpiece filling the holly trifecta of any codex/army list off: Fluffy choices, crunch choices and charachter for the army. (The list was neither Overpowered except the vraks supplement but feth that one, it had options for any and all kinds of uprisings, and managed to get the feel over off the desperation and fate of many imperial citizens.)
Now all R&H lists are a bunch of murderous Hobbos that worship the panthoen out of sheree stupidity, i guess and have successfully raided a weapons cache......
YAY

R&H?

 rayphoton wrote:
R&H?

Renegades and Heretics:

Basically: Mutants, traitor guardsmen, revolutionaires, Heretics or just plain discontent people. Rogue psykers etc.
The vast numbers of any chaos legion, sometimes champions want to build their own warbands out of them. Some of their leaders are Hereteks.

Chaos or general revolutionairies, fighting against the IoM.

Edit: Forgot mercenaries and pirates and ofcourse mercenary pirates.

Simply put . SCUM in various states of organisation.

Is it not kosher to make a IG army and call them chaos? (I ask cause that's what I'm doing)