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2018/10/23 01:13:28
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
He wrote Master of Mankind, where Zu (the character)said the Emperor is DAOT tech.
no offense dude but do you really think that was the orgin of that theory? or the only time it's been advanced? ADB specificly used it because it was a theory that's been floating around for awhile. As he told you, it was one Alan Bligh personally favored, You know who Alan Bligh was right? He was the lead Forge World writer until his passing a year ago. he's been as deeply involved in the HH as ADB has been, if not more so.
He provided his supporting evidence, I'm inclined to believe him unless you can disprove it. Shouldn't be hard if what you say is true
Per the Audio novel "Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium" the Emperor was not the emperor until he met Malcador, and until then had simply been another one of the Warlords fighting for Terra (sadly it's an audio story or I'd provide a page referance and quote) Now we can debate what he means by "become the emperor" BUT... we also know Malcador is the last of the sigalites, with his order having dissappered around the rise of the Emperor, perhaps the rest of the Order of the Sigialites sacrificed themselves to boost the Emperor's power to the levels he'd need it to be? ADB's quite right that the evidance is strong that the Emperor has been around for ages, but the evidance he's been around and as powerful as he is at the time of the Heresy is MUCH MUCH weaker. We know with reasonably certianty the Emperor is very old and has been around awhile, it likely he has some psykic talent. We cannot say without a shadow of a doubt that he did not receive a boost during the dark of of technology or shortly afterward.
He fought the void dragon, a C'Tan, during like the time of the ancient aztecs, and won. I'd say he was pretty powerful before the DAOT. Anyway, the point I was making was where's this evidence of this being a common theory BEFORE Master of Mankind, as you just claimed. Malcador FLOTI was released half a year after that, so isn't really a source for what you claim at all
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/23 02:28:20
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
He wrote Master of Mankind, where Zu (the character)said the Emperor is DAOT tech.
no offense dude but do you really think that was the orgin of that theory? or the only time it's been advanced? ADB specificly used it because it was a theory that's been floating around for awhile. As he told you, it was one Alan Bligh personally favored, You know who Alan Bligh was right? He was the lead Forge World writer until his passing a year ago. he's been as deeply involved in the HH as ADB has been, if not more so.
He provided his supporting evidence, I'm inclined to believe him unless you can disprove it. Shouldn't be hard if what you say is true
Per the Audio novel "Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium" the Emperor was not the emperor until he met Malcador, and until then had simply been another one of the Warlords fighting for Terra (sadly it's an audio story or I'd provide a page referance and quote) Now we can debate what he means by "become the emperor" BUT... we also know Malcador is the last of the sigalites, with his order having dissappered around the rise of the Emperor, perhaps the rest of the Order of the Sigialites sacrificed themselves to boost the Emperor's power to the levels he'd need it to be? ADB's quite right that the evidance is strong that the Emperor has been around for ages, but the evidance he's been around and as powerful as he is at the time of the Heresy is MUCH MUCH weaker. We know with reasonably certianty the Emperor is very old and has been around awhile, it likely he has some psykic talent. We cannot say without a shadow of a doubt that he did not receive a boost during the dark of of technology or shortly afterward.
He fought the void dragon, a C'Tan, during like the time of the ancient aztecs, and won. I'd say he was pretty powerful before the DAOT. Anyway, the point I was making was where's this evidence of this being a common theory BEFORE Master of Mankind, as you just claimed. Malcador FLOTI was released half a year after that, so isn't really a source for what you claim at all
And the Emperor fought a mutant named Gog on Old Earth in John French's Athame shorts story from Mark of Calth with his power. And he fought the Void Dragon as Saint George.
He wrote Master of Mankind, where Zu (the character)said the Emperor is DAOT tech.
no offense dude but do you really think that was the orgin of that theory? or the only time it's been advanced? ADB specificly used it because it was a theory that's been floating around for awhile. As he told you, it was one Alan Bligh personally favored, You know who Alan Bligh was right? He was the lead Forge World writer until his passing a year ago. he's been as deeply involved in the HH as ADB has been, if not more so.
He provided his supporting evidence, I'm inclined to believe him unless you can disprove it. Shouldn't be hard if what you say is true
Per the Audio novel "Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium" the Emperor was not the emperor until he met Malcador, and until then had simply been another one of the Warlords fighting for Terra (sadly it's an audio story or I'd provide a page referance and quote) Now we can debate what he means by "become the emperor" BUT... we also know Malcador is the last of the sigalites, with his order having dissappered around the rise of the Emperor, perhaps the rest of the Order of the Sigialites sacrificed themselves to boost the Emperor's power to the levels he'd need it to be? ADB's quite right that the evidance is strong that the Emperor has been around for ages, but the evidance he's been around and as powerful as he is at the time of the Heresy is MUCH MUCH weaker. We know with reasonably certianty the Emperor is very old and has been around awhile, it likely he has some psykic talent. We cannot say without a shadow of a doubt that he did not receive a boost during the dark of of technology or shortly afterward.
He fought the void dragon, a C'Tan, during like the time of the ancient aztecs, and won. I'd say he was pretty powerful before the DAOT. Anyway, the point I was making was where's this evidence of this being a common theory BEFORE Master of Mankind, as you just claimed. Malcador FLOTI was released half a year after that, so isn't really a source for what you claim at all
And the Emperor fought a mutant named Gog on Old Earth in John French's Athame shorts story from Mark of Calth with his power. And he fought the Void Dragon as Saint George.
And Malcador collected things such as the Rosetta stone, the Mona Lisa, and so on.
I don't see how that audio drama proves anything.
it doesn't prove anything by itself, what it does it hint that there's simply more to it. If the emperor's background is a puzzle you're looking at a single portion of the assmbled puzzle that seems to form a picture and declaring the puzzle is that picture. I'm arguing that just because we seem to have a picture of an apple, does NOT mean the puzzle's complete picture is "just an apple" A LOT can happen in thirty thousand years, and I think it's fair to assume the Emperor's back story is thus rather complex.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/23 03:28:12
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Cool story. I bought the book that features this in 6th Ed., so by the 'logic' presented here, they still can and will always be able to ride in Land Raiders. 'Cause a single BL 'writer' said so, once. For some bizarre reason they can't do so in-game and are never depicted doing so in the fluff any more. Weird, huh?
Almost as if a single BL 'writer' doesn't get to arbitrarily and unilaterally dictate aspects of the universe.
And yet it was included in the book...
And thus is eternally true.
Quod erat demonstrandum. Or, you know, not. At all.
You think I know feth-nothing, when in fact I know feth-all.
This is such a weird thing to watch. Nothing of meaning is presented. It's one claim amongst a sea of claims. Part of the mystery is that the mystery is deliberate. It's a setting, that lets you play in it. Like a stage. Depends on the director what's put on that stage, yet many different plays can be put on that same stage.
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2018/10/23 08:10:23
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Yes, SHUPPET. I as well think my quote from Age of Darkness shows the Crusade had moral boundaries.
"Never afraid of extreme measures, Angron had let slip his World Eaters in the most vicious way imaginable. Remus had once heard his primarch say that Angron’s Legion could succeed where all others would fail because the Red Angel was willing to go further than any other Legion, to countenance behaviour that any civilised code of war would deem abhorrent. Seeing what had been done to Prandium, Remus understood completely. This was no honourable war, this was butchery and destruction embodied. The primarch’s great work could surely never have contemplated war with so terrible a face."Pg.32 Age of Darkness
First of all, what have moral boundaries during the Crusade got to do with the Emperor's origin? This seems like yet another random quote disembodied from anything relevant to the discussion at hand.
That being said, your quote doesn't even support the point you made anyway. If anything it shows the lack of moral boundaries during the Crusade. Maybe some Primarchs wouldn't have gone as far as the World Eaters did but the fact they were well known for such savagery is evidence the Emperor was aware of it and most likely didn't care. If total butchery was needed he had a tool to accomplish it, just like if he needed a more surgical strike he had legions like the Luna Wolves.
2018/10/23 08:53:19
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
If you believe that war is generally bad, because it causes death and suffering on a large scale, usually without any good result... but also believe that WW2 needed to be fought because Hitler and the Nazis had to be stopped no matter the cost... then are you a hypocrite?
If the Emperor believed that religion was generally bad, because it tended to feed the Chaos Gods and often resulted in atrocities committed by faith-blinded fanatics... but also felt that seeding the Machine God religion on Mars was necessary to ensure the survival of at least some of humanity's scientific and technological knowledge... then was the Emperor a hypocrite?
Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between 'shameless hypocrite' and 'inflexible ideologue'. I think the Emperor comes across as more of a hypocrite than he really is because he never explains his real reasons for things. People assume he's trying to wipe out religion because he opposes it as a concept, and so see his tolerance (or deliberate creation) of the Machine Cult as hypocrisy, done out of mere political expediency. But if the Emperor has good reason to know that the Machine Cult really is a special case (maybe because a cult centered on a dormant C'tan can't feed Chaos for metaphysical reasons), then it's not actually hypocritical for him to treat it as a special case.
A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
2018/10/23 09:58:59
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Duskweaver wrote: If you believe that war is generally bad, because it causes death and suffering on a large scale, usually without any good result... but also believe that WW2 needed to be fought because Hitler and the Nazis had to be stopped no matter the cost... then are you a hypocrite?
If the Emperor believed that religion was generally bad, because it tended to feed the Chaos Gods and often resulted in atrocities committed by faith-blinded fanatics... but also felt that seeding the Machine God religion on Mars was necessary to ensure the survival of at least some of humanity's scientific and technological knowledge... then was the Emperor a hypocrite?
Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between 'shameless hypocrite' and 'inflexible ideologue'. I think the Emperor comes across as more of a hypocrite than he really is because he never explains his real reasons for things. People assume he's trying to wipe out religion because he opposes it as a concept, and so see his tolerance (or deliberate creation) of the Machine Cult as hypocrisy, done out of mere political expediency. But if the Emperor has good reason to know that the Machine Cult really is a special case (maybe because a cult centered on a dormant C'tan can't feed Chaos for metaphysical reasons), then it's not actually hypocritical for him to treat it as a special case.
The danger comes, when no matter how just the cause, the human cost is ignored. And in the emperors case the cause was questionable at best. And the cost high in the extreme.
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2018/10/23 10:58:17
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Duskweaver wrote: If you believe that war is generally bad, because it causes death and suffering on a large scale, usually without any good result... but also believe that WW2 needed to be fought because Hitler and the Nazis had to be stopped no matter the cost... then are you a hypocrite?
If the Emperor believed that religion was generally bad, because it tended to feed the Chaos Gods and often resulted in atrocities committed by faith-blinded fanatics... but also felt that seeding the Machine God religion on Mars was necessary to ensure the survival of at least some of humanity's scientific and technological knowledge... then was the Emperor a hypocrite?
Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between 'shameless hypocrite' and 'inflexible ideologue'. I think the Emperor comes across as more of a hypocrite than he really is because he never explains his real reasons for things. People assume he's trying to wipe out religion because he opposes it as a concept, and so see his tolerance (or deliberate creation) of the Machine Cult as hypocrisy, done out of mere political expediency. But if the Emperor has good reason to know that the Machine Cult really is a special case (maybe because a cult centered on a dormant C'tan can't feed Chaos for metaphysical reasons), then it's not actually hypocritical for him to treat it as a special case.
That's a really good take on it imo.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/23 11:03:59
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
TheWaspinator wrote: Honestly, the idea that the Emperor is a false god of sorts cooked up in a lab at some point seems a lot more grimdark than the idea that he really is the super-saviour of mankind from ancient times.
I dunno, it's pretty grimdark to have a god-level psyker who's been around since ancient Sumeria, and all the horrible things like the Dark Age of technology, the Iron Men, and the Heresy STILL happened despite his supposedly awesome foresight.
A god-level psyker who still wasn't as good as a "really good dad" would have been, and now exists as a fragmented batch of insane consciousnesses, who may not actually even be affected by all the sacrifices made to the half-understood pile of tech he's hooked up to.
The Emperor reminds me of the one from the Mistborn trilogy, frankly.
The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he is not omnipotent. So of course he could not stop those things.
And the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he saw no need intervene until the Age of Strife (he intervened as various figures from human history in types of trouble).
What makes 40k grimark is that there is no hope.
Emperor didn't have to be omnipotent, just a decent person. The Heresy happened because he treated most of the Primarchs like trash and had no foresight. (Necessary element of the writing, really. If people like Magnus and several other of the traitors had been treated better, or with any careful oversight, the Heresy probably wouldn't have happened at all). Either theory of the Emperor pretty much places his flaws as one of the most Grimdark parts of the human side of 40k.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2018/10/23 20:34:09
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
TheWaspinator wrote: Honestly, the idea that the Emperor is a false god of sorts cooked up in a lab at some point seems a lot more grimdark than the idea that he really is the super-saviour of mankind from ancient times.
I dunno, it's pretty grimdark to have a god-level psyker who's been around since ancient Sumeria, and all the horrible things like the Dark Age of technology, the Iron Men, and the Heresy STILL happened despite his supposedly awesome foresight.
A god-level psyker who still wasn't as good as a "really good dad" would have been, and now exists as a fragmented batch of insane consciousnesses, who may not actually even be affected by all the sacrifices made to the half-understood pile of tech he's hooked up to.
The Emperor reminds me of the one from the Mistborn trilogy, frankly.
The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he is not omnipotent. So of course he could not stop those things.
And the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he saw no need intervene until the Age of Strife (he intervened as various figures from human history in types of trouble).
What makes 40k grimark is that there is no hope.
Emperor didn't have to be omnipotent, just a decent person. The Heresy happened because he treated most of the Primarchs like trash and had no foresight. (Necessary element of the writing, really. If people like Magnus and several other of the traitors had been treated better, or with any careful oversight, the Heresy probably wouldn't have happened at all). Either theory of the Emperor pretty much places his flaws as one of the most Grimdark parts of the human side of 40k.
The Perpetuals are complete proof he was around in our time in current lore. And ignoring the Perpetuals because one hates them is stupid. They are part of the lore.
Either way, ADB wrote Master of Mankind, and his talk with me on Reddit is proof.
And FYI, my quote from Graham Mcneill's Mechanicum implies the Emperor let the Age of Strife happen. No "forsight" my ass.
‘The Emperor sees things we do not,’ said Semyon. ‘He knows the future and he guides us towards it. A nudge here, seeding a prepared prophecy of his coming there, the beginnings of the transhumanist movement, the push from humanity’s understanding of science to its mastery… all of it by his design, working towards one glorious union in the future where the forges of Mars would perceive the Emperor as the divinity for whom they had been waiting for centuries.’
‘You mean the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicum?’
‘Of course,’ said Semyon. ‘He knew that one day he would need such a mighty organisation to serve him, and from the Dragon’s dreams came the first machines of the priests of Mars. Without the Dragon there would have been no Mechanicum, and without the Mechanicum, the Emperor’s grand dream of a united galaxy for Humanity would have withered on the vine.’
Dalia tried to grasp the unimaginable scale of the Emperor’s designs, the clarity of a vision that could set schemes in motion that would not come to fruition for over twenty thousand years. It was simply staggering that anyone, even the Emperor, could have so carefully and precisely orchestrated the destiny of so many with such skill and cold ruthlessness.
The scale of the deception was beyond measure and the callousness of it took her breath away. To lie to so many people, to twist the destiny of a planet to suit one man’s aims, even a being as lofty as the Emperor, was a crime of such monstrous proportions that Dalia’s mind shied away from that awful calumny.
‘If the truth of this became known,’ breathed Dalia. ‘It would tear the Mechanicum apart.’
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SHUPPET wrote: lol at "the emperor has no foresight" with a straight face
I just posted my quote from Graham Mcneill's Mechanicum, again.
And the Perpetuals are complete proof.
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2018/10/23 22:31:37
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Perpetuals are proof that the Emperor was AROUND in some capacity at the time sure, but it's not conclusive proof. How do we know that the Emperor wasn't just some normal perpetual until some DAOT super science project turned him into an uber powerful man?
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/23 22:45:53
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
BrianDavion wrote: Perpetuals are proof that the Emperor was AROUND in some capacity at the time sure, but it's not conclusive proof. How do we know that the Emperor wasn't just some normal perpetual until some DAOT super science project turned him into an uber powerful man?
Because he fought a mutant named on Old Earth with his power in Mark of Calth.
BrianDavion wrote: Perpetuals are proof that the Emperor was AROUND in some capacity at the time sure, but it's not conclusive proof. How do we know that the Emperor wasn't just some normal perpetual until some DAOT super science project turned him into an uber powerful man?
Because he kicked the ass of the Void Dragon, a literal C'Tan, back in the time of the ancient aztecs.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/23 23:27:08
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
BrianDavion wrote: Perpetuals are proof that the Emperor was AROUND in some capacity at the time sure, but it's not conclusive proof. How do we know that the Emperor wasn't just some normal perpetual until some DAOT super science project turned him into an uber powerful man?
Because he kicked the ass of the Void Dragon, a literal C'Tan, back in the time of the ancient aztecs.
And he fought a mutant named Gog in Mark of Calth.
Andykp wrote: But we don’t know what happened to him in the DAoT.
Alright. And for 63-19, I disproved that with my quote.
'Mistakes. Misunderstandings.’ Horus stroked his hand across his brow. 'Sixty-Three Nineteen. Our first endeavour. My first as Warmaster. How much blood was spilt there, blood from misunderstanding? We misread the signs and paid the price. Poor, dear Sejanus. I miss him still. That whole war, even that nightmare up on the mountains you had to endure, Garviel... a mistake. I could have handled it differendy. Sixty-Three Nineteen could have been brought to compliance without bloodshed.’
'No, sir.’ said Loken emphatically. They were too set in their ways, and their ways were set against us. We could not have made them compliant without a war.’
Horus shook his head. You are kind, Garviel, but you are mistaken. There were ways. There should have been ways. I should have been able to sway that civilisation without a shot being fired. The Emperor would have done so.’
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2018/10/23 23:59:33
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Andykp wrote: But we don’t know what happened to him in the DAoT.
Alright. And for 63-19, I disproved that with my quote.
'Mistakes. Misunderstandings.’ Horus stroked his hand across his brow. 'Sixty-Three Nineteen. Our first endeavour. My first as Warmaster. How much blood was spilt there, blood from misunderstanding? We misread the signs and paid the price. Poor, dear Sejanus. I miss him still. That whole war, even that nightmare up on the mountains you had to endure, Garviel... a mistake. I could have handled it differendy. Sixty-Three Nineteen could have been brought to compliance without bloodshed.’
'No, sir.’ said Loken emphatically. They were too set in their ways, and their ways were set against us. We could not have made them compliant without a war.’
Horus shook his head. You are kind, Garviel, but you are mistaken. There were ways. There should have been ways. I should have been able to sway that civilisation without a shot being fired. The Emperor would have done so.’
While I agree with the premise of your thread, I keep finding that many of the quotes you post don't really support what you are saying at all.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/24 00:08:51
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
I don’t agree or disagree with the OP, I enjoy the not knowing but these quotes are silly. It’s so difficult to argue with someone who supports your argument whilst trying to attack it.
2018/10/24 00:16:38
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
I personally can't understand the logic of thinking he's DAOT tech. For characters in the universe who don't know what we know, sure. For anyone who can check his history pre-DAOT, it's a difficult sell. You know how powerful he had to be to not only beat and contain the void dragon, while knowing that the impact of doing so will allow him to launch a crusade through space 30,000 years in the future? Multiple aspects of that alone kinda disprove the theory. If anything he seems weaker in in the future than he was back then, like getting knocked around by Orcs in that Luna Wolves short story.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/24 00:20:23
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
SHUPPET wrote: I personally can't understand the logic of thinking he's DAOT tech. For characters in the universe who don't know what we know, sure. For anyone who can check his history pre-DAOT, it's a difficult sell. You know how powerful he had to be to not only beat and contain the void dragon, while knowing that the impact of doing so will allow him to launch a crusade through space 30,000 years in the future? Multiple aspects of that alone kinda disprove the theory. If anything he seems weaker in in the future than he was back then, like getting knocked around by Orcs in that Luna Wolves short story.
Don't forget the Perpetuals.
2018/10/24 00:20:46
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
I think the fact that Alan Bligh liked it gives it more weight. He knew his way round a heresy story. I think if he is it was something done to him in the DAoT. He was around before but got a make over. And it maybe did make him weaker. In world it makes complete sense. It would still be better than the perpetual business.
2018/10/24 00:20:48
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
SHUPPET wrote: I personally can't understand the logic of thinking he's DAOT tech. For characters in the universe who don't know what we know, sure. For anyone who can check his history pre-DAOT, it's a difficult sell. You know how powerful he had to be to not only beat and contain the void dragon, while knowing that the impact of doing so will allow him to launch a crusade through space 30,000 years in the future? Multiple aspects of that alone kinda disprove the theory. If anything he seems weaker in in the future than he was back then, like getting knocked around by Orcs in that Luna Wolves short story.
Sure, if you take that story at face value. It sounds like an utterly ludicrous legend to me, but whatevs; I don't want to start yet another argument about how to interpret 40K lore.
SHUPPET wrote: I personally can't understand the logic of thinking he's DAOT tech. For characters in the universe who don't know what we know, sure. For anyone who can check his history pre-DAOT, it's a difficult sell. You know how powerful he had to be to not only beat and contain the void dragon, while knowing that the impact of doing so will allow him to launch a crusade through space 30,000 years in the future? Multiple aspects of that alone kinda disprove the theory. If anything he seems weaker in in the future than he was back then, like getting knocked around by Orcs in that Luna Wolves short story.
Sure, if you take that story at face value. It sounds like an utterly ludicrous legend to me, but whatevs; I don't want to start yet another argument about how to interpret 40K lore.
Lol based on what? The Void Dragon is locked under Mars, there is literally someone there to guard it and guard the secret fact that the Emperor put it there, as it's a secret that could ruin his relationship with mars and tear the Imperium apart. You can't just pick choose and dismiss lore because you don't like it. "I don't believe in the Horus Heresy in my lore it was all just in Curze's mind!"
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/24 00:44:20
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
JNAProductions wrote: Who says Big E didn’t have an army to help him do that? Or a legion of psykers?
The account is from the void dragon's own memory and shows the emperor doing it solo. But let's say the Dragon lied, if the Emperor had an arm,y or a legion of psykers whatever happened to that? And why would they be following him if he was just a regular perpetual? And what is any of that based on, I mean, if you want to dismiss facts because they disprove a theory, then you need to provide some sort of evidence for that being the case, like separate accounts that mention him doing it with a legion of psykers or something. Otherwise it's just saying established lore is wrong, my headcanon is right.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/24 00:50:01
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
