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2018/10/30 01:09:05
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/30 01:12:40
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
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2018/10/30 01:15:40
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Andykp wrote: His real name is Ollanius Pius. They changed it to a play on words with old person. That’s lazy.
a man whose last name was Pius isn't any more creative in the context the story was told Andy. And chances are Oll is just short of Ollanius. so.. yeah the only change is his surname
That’s kind of the point of him, he prob wasn’t called that at all but it sounds a great name for a saint and the story has gotten embellished over the years to inspire the common fighting man, same as the stalinists did in Ww2 Russia (and everyone else). What he wasn’t was a crude plot device shoehorned into a setting from nowhere. I know in setting most people wouldn’t know the perpetual nonesense but we do. And it’s not needed at all.
sure but that's kinda my point, we hear all this griping that he is something differant, and it sounds like some people are absolutely up in arms that this fairy tale has been proven to be mostly wrong, that said, I garentee you the man will suffer a truth death at the climax.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/30 01:52:35
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2018/10/30 02:37:33
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
I was talking about our previous talk.
2018/10/30 03:43:05
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
I was talking about our previous talk.
you need to stay on topic dude and not go dragging stuff from one thread to another
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/30 03:44:38
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
I was talking about our previous talk.
This thread has become a thread about people talking about what they were talking about within this thread.
Very meta.
2018/10/30 08:42:10
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
I was talking about our previous talk.
This thread has become a thread about people talking about what they were talking about within this thread.
Very meta.
,#justonethingthings?
2018/10/30 09:59:35
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Andykp wrote: His real name is Ollanius Pius. They changed it to a play on words with old person. That’s lazy.
a man whose last name was Pius isn't any more creative in the context the story was told Andy. And chances are Oll is just short of Ollanius. so.. yeah the only change is his surname
That’s kind of the point of him, he prob wasn’t called that at all but it sounds a great name for a saint and the story has gotten embellished over the years to inspire the common fighting man, same as the stalinists did in Ww2 Russia (and everyone else). What he wasn’t was a crude plot device shoehorned into a setting from nowhere. I know in setting most people wouldn’t know the perpetual nonesense but we do. And it’s not needed at all.
sure but that's kinda my point, we hear all this griping that he is something differant, and it sounds like some people are absolutely up in arms that this fairy tale has been proven to be mostly wrong, that said, I garentee you the man will suffer a truth death at the climax.
If they had fleshed our the character but kept him a basic human as was the point of the saint it would have been better. What annoys me is they made him yet another super human with super powers. I blame marvel.
2018/10/30 11:47:31
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Andykp wrote: His real name is Ollanius Pius. They changed it to a play on words with old person. That’s lazy.
a man whose last name was Pius isn't any more creative in the context the story was told Andy. And chances are Oll is just short of Ollanius. so.. yeah the only change is his surname
That’s kind of the point of him, he prob wasn’t called that at all but it sounds a great name for a saint and the story has gotten embellished over the years to inspire the common fighting man, same as the stalinists did in Ww2 Russia (and everyone else). What he wasn’t was a crude plot device shoehorned into a setting from nowhere. I know in setting most people wouldn’t know the perpetual nonesense but we do. And it’s not needed at all.
sure but that's kinda my point, we hear all this griping that he is something differant, and it sounds like some people are absolutely up in arms that this fairy tale has been proven to be mostly wrong, that said, I garentee you the man will suffer a truth death at the climax.
If they had fleshed our the character but kept him a basic human as was the point of the saint it would have been better. What annoys me is they made him yet another super human with super powers. I blame marvel.
except if they had made him a "fleshed out normal human character" then it would have made the "Silly guard bed time story" true.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/30 19:49:26
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
Back to the topic of this thread, ADB said we can safely say the Emperor is not from the DAOT. So why so some people say the Emperor might be DAOT and that ADB said this in Master of Mankind's afterword when my link to my talk with ADB says otherwise? If ADB says the Emperor is probably not DAOT tech, then I do not think he would have said otherwise in the afterword for Master of Mankind.
2018/10/30 20:06:20
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
Back to the topic of this thread, ADB said we can safely say the Emperor is not from the DAOT. So why so some people say the Emperor might be DAOT and that ADB said this in Master of Mankind's afterword when my link to my talk with ADB says otherwise? If ADB says the Emperor is probably not DAOT tech, then I do not think he would have said otherwise in the afterword for Master of Mankind.
why are you trying to have this conversation in two seperate fething threads?
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2018/10/30 20:24:21
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
Back to the topic of this thread, ADB said we can safely say the Emperor is not from the DAOT. So why so some people say the Emperor might be DAOT and that ADB said this in Master of Mankind's afterword when my link to my talk with ADB says otherwise? If ADB says the Emperor is probably not DAOT tech, then I do not think he would have said otherwise in the afterword for Master of Mankind.
why are you trying to have this conversation in two seperate fething threads?
I accidentally posted it in the wrong thread. Sorry about that.
2018/10/30 20:56:13
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
Back to the topic of this thread, ADB said we can safely say the Emperor is not from the DAOT. So why so some people say the Emperor might be DAOT and that ADB said this in Master of Mankind's afterword when my link to my talk with ADB says otherwise? If ADB says the Emperor is probably not DAOT tech, then I do not think he would have said otherwise in the afterword for Master of Mankind.
Better question, why does it matter if he was created by Shamans, or if it was during the DOAT, or somewhere in between? Shouldn't some mysteries in this story be truly left never explored? If we seek to explain everything, that will give rise to even more discontinuities and mistakes.
2018/10/30 21:01:07
Subject: Re:My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Eh by Legion at least they are already building it, possibly earlier I can't recall, and then definitely by a Thousand Sons. Also Mechanicum absolutely hinted at it, in fact it's come up so many times in here because it almost definitively says it.
They've been talking about the narrow path for a long time, but that the fact that the Emperor meant for things to end in a grim dark way is a recent development. Even in Emperor of Mankind he's clearly still working on claiming the webway and weaning humanity off the warp.
Hmm, when reading it I remember clue'ing in to the idea by Legion, and then seeing other hints of it for a little bit but having Mechanicum do all but outright say it. So I think Legion, or some of the previous books, hinted at it in minor ways, and it was DEFINITELY coming pretty heavy handed by Mechanicum. It's probably a HH development as you say, but after the introduction to the setting with Horus Rising and that, I think that they pretty clearly established their intent with this aspect of it, but I can see what you mean.
I already posted the quote from Mechanicum where the Emperor orchestrated the evolution of the Mechanicus over tens of thousands of years. Its a fact.
That's not even what he's talking about.
Back to the topic of this thread, ADB said we can safely say the Emperor is not from the DAOT. So why so some people say the Emperor might be DAOT and that ADB said this in Master of Mankind's afterword when my link to my talk with ADB says otherwise? If ADB says the Emperor is probably not DAOT tech, then I do not think he would have said otherwise in the afterword for Master of Mankind.
Better question, why does it matter if he was created by Shamans, or if it was during the DOAT, or somewhere in between? Shouldn't some mysteries in this story be truly left never explored? If we seek to explain everything, that will give rise to even more discontinuities and mistakes.
I am just saying whats on my mind. And the shaman origin was printed in 1st Edition Rogue Trader (I love 1st Edition Rogue Trader), but that's besides the point.
2018/10/30 21:09:24
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Did you ever watch Dodge Ball? The part where Patches O'Houlihan describes what it appears the players are trying to do at the same time?
I mean, total congratulations on stretching this out. I would not for a minute have guessed this would carry on to 10 pages. Starting a fight with no one, only to have many someones come to the plate. And you've repeated the gist of maybe 3 or 4 sentences, over and over, whether or not they make any contextual sense.
Bravo, man. You have made a mountain from a molehill.
2018/10/30 21:11:42
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
greatbigtree wrote: Did you ever watch Dodge Ball? The part where Patches O'Houlihan describes what it appears the players are trying to do at the same time?
I mean, total congratulations on stretching this out. I would not for a minute have guessed this would carry on to 10 pages. Starting a fight with no one, only to have many someones come to the plate. And you've repeated the gist of maybe 3 or 4 sentences, over and over, whether or not they make any contextual sense.
Bravo, man. You have made a mountain from a molehill.
I did not know how long this thread would be. And the majority of the pages are people talking with someone other than me.
2018/10/30 21:23:52
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
