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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I honestly wouldn't want to play at a gw store. I don't like gw's corporate attitude which places profit over customers generally. I'd rather game in an indie store that isn't owed by GW. My local FLGS makes far more money on card games, gw stuff is a sideline for them.

I did have a surprisingly postivie experience ce from gw recently when a box set had a missing tire. They sent me the whole box set in compensation.

GW store managers, at least in the UK, are generally pretty darn good. Yes they are there to sell stuff, but that's exactly the same job that any store owner has. It's their job to sell you model stuff, the only difference with a 3rd party store is that they are more likely to want to encourage you to take up Magic the Gathering as well as your warhammer. See MTG is super cheap and they've got 3 game nights a week! And for the store owner its likely their bread and butter earner.

The GW store managers are normally very good in that they not only run the store, but most are good quality model makers and painters so they can be a wealth of learning to new gamers. They will vary person to person and some will be more strict on "GW models only" and others will be more lax about it, but in general I've never met one that wasn't basically a geek paid to work in a store (esp these days where the UK stores are mostly down to 1 person running them).



As for the second that sounds normal. To get any 1 part they have to cast up a new whole plastic sprue anyway. There's no benefit for them to hold onto the rest of the sprue on the offchance of needing other spare parts and the storage/waste costs are quite high if they were to hold onto it all. So sending you the whole sprue basically costs them less than keeping or dumping it themselves.

Is there any truth to the rumor GK Terminators are going down to 26 points, Strike Squads are going down to 15 points and Paladins are going down to 34 points? Does anyone actually have a copy of the book to confirm?

 Overread wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I honestly wouldn't want to play at a gw store. I don't like gw's corporate attitude which places profit over customers generally. I'd rather game in an indie store that isn't owed by GW. My local FLGS makes far more money on card games, gw stuff is a sideline for them.

I did have a surprisingly postivie experience ce from gw recently when a box set had a missing tire. They sent me the whole box set in compensation.

GW store managers, at least in the UK, are generally pretty darn good. Yes they are there to sell stuff, but that's exactly the same job that any store owner has. It's their job to sell you model stuff, the only difference with a 3rd party store is that they are more likely to want to encourage you to take up Magic the Gathering as well as your warhammer. See MTG is super cheap and they've got 3 game nights a week! And for the store owner its likely their bread and butter earner.

The GW store managers are normally very good in that they not only run the store, but most are good quality model makers and painters so they can be a wealth of learning to new gamers. They will vary person to person and some will be more strict on "GW models only" and others will be more lax about it, but in general I've never met one that wasn't basically a geek paid to work in a store (esp these days where the UK stores are mostly down to 1 person running them).



As for the second that sounds normal. To get any 1 part they have to cast up a new whole plastic sprue anyway. There's no benefit for them to hold onto the rest of the sprue on the offchance of needing other spare parts and the storage/waste costs are quite high if they were to hold onto it all. So sending you the whole sprue basically costs them less than keeping or dumping it themselves.

Even when GW was full Kirby their customer support was top notch. I knew a guy who bought 3 boxes of stormfiends that all had the same small hole miscast into their necks. They sent him 3 new boxes of Stormfiends, no questions asked.

Those times seem to be over. A friend and me are currently trying to get a replacement for a Belial I gave him for his birthday that is completely bent out of shape. Both the GW store owners and online support refuse to help.

Should have known better than to buy failcast.

 fraser1191 wrote:
So with a storm bolter a pod will be 65.thats pretty tempting...

DPs need to be free and Spend CP to get them. Once they hit dirt they are a liability. even around 60pts i dont see using mine. Just allow access to a number of units having the ability to Deep Strike. Add a rule that makes them unable to hold Objectives when they land....done.


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make things simple...fix the 6s rule. Just like 1s always fail...6s should always succeed.

I would use Drop Pod if I could put Primaris in it...

 Crimson wrote:
I would use Drop Pod if I could put Primaris in it...

If you could drop pod aggressors or hellblasters, the pods would have to go up in points, not down. I’d love to get a low cost transport for primaris. I like the repulsor, but it has a lot of the flaws of the LR.

Pods I think are paying a price for last edition. A lot of things that made them worth while (accurate, on time DS) are now available to all DSing units. They really don’t offer a whole lot to the mix these days. What they really need is something that makes them stand out, not just a points adjustment.

IMHO, etc...

 Nevelon wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I would use Drop Pod if I could put Primaris in it...

If you could drop pod aggressors or hellblasters, the pods would have to go up in points, not down.

Ravenguard has been able to 'deepstrike' those before first turn until the latest nerf and Deathwatch can still teleport them in with a stratagem. Though I'm fine with limiting pods to normal power armour infantry, so no Gravis or Terminators. Intercessors and Hellbalsters should be able to ride them though, they even do so in the fluff!

I think a big problem with drop pods in 8th is everyone expected them to work like they did last edition and be super useful for assault armies, when they're significantly better for shooty armies.

Even then they costed too much for that, but the points drop should make them viable for getting objective secured around the board.

 cole1114 wrote:
I think a big problem with drop pods in 8th is everyone expected them to work like they did last edition and be super useful for assault armies, when they're significantly better for shooty armies.

Even then they costed too much for that, but the points drop should make them viable for getting objective secured around the board.

One problem is that they are not that great for shooty armies. The whole 9” away thing really hurt them for delivering flamers and melta. The fact that both the weapons that pods excelled at getting into optimal range also faired poorly in 8th is icing on the cake. So what shooty units would you want to pod? Sternguard are sill somewhat viable. Pods can get you into rapid fire range. Plasma spam? You could (assuming you are not souping in scions).

Marines assault units generally already have a DS option. No need to pod.

Rhinos also got a lot better. Less fragile, and can do tricks like charging units to tie them up/soak overwatch. Pods just sit there.

 Nevelon wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
I think a big problem with drop pods in 8th is everyone expected them to work like they did last edition and be super useful for assault armies, when they're significantly better for shooty armies.

Even then they costed too much for that, but the points drop should make them viable for getting objective secured around the board.

One problem is that they are not that great for shooty armies. The whole 9” away thing really hurt them for delivering flamers and melta. The fact that both the weapons that pods excelled at getting into optimal range also faired poorly in 8th is icing on the cake. So what shooty units would you want to pod? Sternguard are sill somewhat viable. Pods can get you into rapid fire range. Plasma spam? You could (assuming you are not souping in scions).

Marines assault units generally already have a DS option. No need to pod.

Rhinos also got a lot better. Less fragile, and can do tricks like charging units to tie them up/soak overwatch. Pods just sit there.

All of this is true. Devastators are probably a good choice for pods, load two squads in with heavy bolters or lascannons and pop them on an objective. Expensive but guaranteed to get them in range and put them in a good place. For dark angels plasma is a good choice on a tactical squad.

Also one thing to keep in mind that's I guess kinda weird is board size. Which really depends on where you play a lot of the time. Can you get a rhino to where a drop pod can land on the second turn?

 Jidmah wrote:
Those times seem to be over. A friend and me are currently trying to get a replacement for a Belial I gave him for his birthday that is completely bent out of shape. Both the GW store owners and online support refuse to help.

Should have known better than to buy failcast.

My buddy got some Tau battlesuit from FW with a missing part and they sent him an entirely new box this year. While I've never opened a defective box every person I've ever talked to has received an entirely new box when there has been an issue.

I don't really see why you would use devastators in a pod when you can have inceptors with short range heavy bolters or plasma. Plasma especially with Dark Angels and WotDA.

Asmodios wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Those times seem to be over. A friend and me are currently trying to get a replacement for a Belial I gave him for his birthday that is completely bent out of shape. Both the GW store owners and online support refuse to help.

Should have known better than to buy failcast.

My buddy got some Tau battlesuit from FW with a missing part and they sent him an entirely new box this year. While I've never opened a defective box every person I've ever talked to has received an entirely new box when there has been an issue.

Yep, their Customer Service is pretty good. I bought a Start Collecting Militarum Tempestus Box. Whoever packaged it put in an extra Scion sprue, but only one of the two sprues for the Taurox Prime. They sent me a new Taurox Prime free of charge. I really need to figure how to make the extra missle launcher part into a terrain piece.

 Crimson_ wrote:
I don't really see why you would use devastators in a pod when you can have inceptors with short range heavy bolters or plasma. Plasma especially with Dark Angels and WotDA.

mainly because not everyone wants to run Primaris is my guess.

A couple of pods with a 10 man tac sqd for obsec in one, and some devs plus buff character in other gives you some board control and ability to take deep objectives (although a good player will eliminate those options by Turn 2). It does open up some maneuverability to a force at a discount, but still not sure that 65pts is enough of a break to make it an option.

I don't think it makes them an option to the competitive but casual players might welcome the change (personally I don't think they should be more than 50pts for what they do, especially with the Turn 2 restriction)

Now, add a new strategem for SM that allows Drop pods to come in on Turn 1 instead of Turn 2 (1CP per pod to max of 3), then we might have a use.

 Apple Peel wrote:

Asmodios wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Those times seem to be over. A friend and me are currently trying to get a replacement for a Belial I gave him for his birthday that is completely bent out of shape. Both the GW store owners and online support refuse to help.

Should have known better than to buy failcast.

My buddy got some Tau battlesuit from FW with a missing part and they sent him an entirely new box this year. While I've never opened a defective box every person I've ever talked to has received an entirely new box when there has been an issue.

Yep, their Customer Service is pretty good. I bought a Start Collecting Militarum Tempestus Box. Whoever packaged it put in an extra Scion sprue, but only one of the two sprues for the Taurox Prime. They sent me a new Taurox Prime free of charge. I really need to figure how to make the extra missle launcher part into a terrain piece.

Yeah I've never had a FW or a GW problem.

I have a Spartan I bought in 2012 that I've been slowly putting together. The lascannon sponsons were both left side, they sent replacements. I had a problem with the tracks, they sent replacements.

I have a Heldrake that had a mold defect on the wing. They sent a replacement for the entire sprue.

Have most people seen LRs going down to 200 pts base?

That's a pretty healthy drop. I'm unsure how it will help with playability but at least an effort is being made.

Provided twin LC are going to 40 the God hammer (that's what it's called right?) will be sitting at 297 instead of 356.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Have most people seen LRs going down to 200 pts base?

That's a pretty healthy drop. I'm unsure how it will help with playability but at least an effort is being made.

Provided twin LC are going to 40 the God hammer (that's what it's called right?) will be sitting at 297 instead of 356.

The classic 2xTLLC, TLHB LR is technically a Phobos Land Raider. Godhammer refers to the pattern of Lascannons in the sponsons. Of course, “Godhammer” sounds a lot better then “Phobos” so is often used to describe the whole of the tank. Both will get the point across for those in the know.

And I am very much looking forward to the point drop on it.

Yeah the LR got more than a 10% reduction which is a good sign

A crusader should cost... 264 points now? Assuming twin assault cannon/hurricane bolters don't get any point changes. Same for LR Redeemer which would be 284.

Add a hunter-killer, multi-melta, and storm bolter and the crusader is only 298. So only one more point than a godhammer.

More leaks

Interesting. While many of those point costs are reduced from the codex (or increased in the case of the riptide), some are identical.

So that makes it look like chapter approved will basically reprint the entire point cost section of every codex. Which would be really convenient compared to the current state of things, where some point costs are in codexes, and some are in chapter approved 2017. Making you flip between them.

I believe that matches the precedent set by the General's Handbook. Which is the right way to do things so I'm glad they're adopting that format.

Nice to see the juicy leaks, but this unfortunately seems to tell us we are only getting points changes from the Codex/Index rather than a full on points listing. Lots of units missing between Ghostkeel and Riptide for that not to be the case.

Are you referring to forgeworld units? Because those were listed in a separate section in CA2017. So that might still be the case here.

Someone tell that leak person to show us Space Wolf changes. I want my precious TWC to eat a points decrease ;v;

Unless this is a list of the Elite Units, there are a lot of units missing from the alphabetical order, like Pathfinders. Are Krootox Riders Elites?

My guess is this is the Elite section, and CA will in fact have one page for each codex.

Wanna see Daemons of Khorne/Slaanesh.

Yeah, this matches up exactly with the Elites list in the codex.

That is the Elites section, same units and same order as the codex.