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When is chapter approved actually out then?? I just want it now please.

Also can anyone tell me if this chapter approved will have the previous FAQs and chapter approved etc included or I'll have to buy the the previous ones too??

Rogerio134134 wrote:
When is chapter approved actually out then?? I just want it now please.

Also can anyone tell me if this chapter approved will have the previous FAQs and chapter approved etc included or I'll have to buy the the previous ones too??

I think someone said 12/15, and it's supposed to include everything from the previous Chapter Approved from what I can tell.

They should have really tried to push Chapter Approved into November instead of December.

I don't know about anyone else here, but the changes to CA really affect what I'm going to be buying, and if it comes out too late in the year I might not be getting it for Christmas.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
They should have really tried to push Chapter Approved into November instead of December.

I don't know about anyone else here, but the changes to CA really affect what I'm going to be buying, and if it comes out too late in the year I might not be getting it for Christmas.

Same here.
I'm trying to stop being *optimise at all costs* but there is nothing like buying, assembling and painting something (especially if there are multiple build options) just before it gets nerfed.

Better than your current projects getting squatted, I suppose.

Waiting for CA to start a new project is wise.

It's not just changes to your army. It's changes to everyone's army.

And that makes certain things more and less viable.

^Primaris drop to 14 ppm, Tac Marines go up to 14. lol.

Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

They can't without auto losing to drukhari.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
They should have really tried to push Chapter Approved into November instead of December.

I don't know about anyone else here, but the changes to CA really affect what I'm going to be buying, and if it comes out too late in the year I might not be getting it for Christmas.

This is actually a problem they have with the way they did CA. The GHB had all the points for the whole game losted in it, so it totally overwrote the previous book's points. CA only had changes which means you have to keep both, unless they reprint every points change every year, which will eventually cover most of the game anyway.

I thought we'd had confirmation that CA2018 was going to include the full list of current points changes (so including/amending the changes from CA2017 and the Spring FAQ)?

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
They should have really tried to push Chapter Approved into November instead of December.

I don't know about anyone else here, but the changes to CA really affect what I'm going to be buying, and if it comes out too late in the year I might not be getting it for Christmas.

November was too close the orks releases though, which GW wanted to push as well.

Only curious thing to me is the launch date, CA 2018 comes out December 2018, but is used in 2019 mostly.

Why not call it Chapter Approved 2019?

...Mods I think that last post shows that we ran out of things to talk about. Just lock the thread.

 Quickjager wrote:
...Mods I think that last post shows that we ran out of things to talk about. Just lock the thread.

at least until more info is out

gendoikari87 wrote:
Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

Why take low strength low AP weapons anymore if all the basic troops are getting price increases (Ork boyz to 7ppm). Every tournament list for Orkz I have seen recently has gone from 180-240 Boyz to 60-90 with 90 being rare. So we are getting away from TAC lists and getting more into skew lists across the board and at the moment that means Anti-armor is going to get a priority in place as opposed to high ROF low AP weapons.

SemperMortis wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

Probably honestly. Because why take low strength low AP weapons anymore if all the basic troops are getting price increases (Ork boyz to 7ppm). Every tournament list for Orkz I have seen recently has gone from 180-240 Boyz to 60-90 with 90 being rare. So we are getting away from TAC lists and getting more into skew lists across the board and at the moment that means Anti-armor is going to get a priority in place as opposed to high ROF low AP weapons.

Not that I don't understand the sentiment, but when have been people taking high ROF low AP weapons? My impression was most people still took as much plasma/eq and lascannons as they could with only the occasoinal anti-infantry.

 Dysartes wrote:
I thought we'd had confirmation that CA2018 was going to include the full list of current points changes (so including/amending the changes from CA2017 and the Spring FAQ)?

I think that assumption was from the fake Tau points rumor.

It does make sense though, otherwise you reach a scenario where you need multiple CA to have the point costs between codcies-and that would kill any possible sells.

-_-

If marines are terribad unplayable when cheap infantry is prevalent [because they don't have the firepower/toughness density to compete], and they're also going to be terribad unplayable when light infantry becomes uncommon [because the points spent on anti-light infantry weapons will be spent anti-marine weapons]...

Just because your little dudes are dying doesn't mean you're losing. If your enemy is allocating firepower in ways that aren't in their best interest, because they're shooting plasmaguns at your line infantry or are forced to focus all power into a fast assault unit before it hits their lines, you're still able to extract value from the destruction of your units.

Plasma doesn't seem so impressive if you're unwilling to Overcharge. That's why I'm trading out plasma for Blight Launchers in my Death Guard lists. Guard units dont care about exploding, but an expensive Marine unit or Primaris might.

Melta needs a price drop.

 alextroy wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I thought we'd had confirmation that CA2018 was going to include the full list of current points changes (so including/amending the changes from CA2017 and the Spring FAQ)?

I think that assumption was from the fake Tau points rumor.

If I remember correctly, it actually comes from a GW Facebook / event remark, where they alluded to such an idea. Not 100 % sure, but a vivid memory.

I believe that Facebook post was that all point changes, include those from earlier publications, would be in CA2018. It did not state that all points values for all units/equipment would be in CA.

Basically, CA would include all points changes from those in the Codex/Index.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

Probably honestly. Because why take low strength low AP weapons anymore if all the basic troops are getting price increases (Ork boyz to 7ppm). Every tournament list for Orkz I have seen recently has gone from 180-240 Boyz to 60-90 with 90 being rare. So we are getting away from TAC lists and getting more into skew lists across the board and at the moment that means Anti-armor is going to get a priority in place as opposed to high ROF low AP weapons.

Not that I don't understand the sentiment, but when have been people taking high ROF low AP weapons? My impression was most people still took as much plasma/eq and lascannons as they could with only the occasoinal anti-infantry.

They can't complain if they can't beat drukhari then

IMHO S4,S5 and/or S6 spam is more important than having a bazillion of lascannons and plasmas. IK break the meta, but against any other army low and mid strenght weapons are mandatory. 1-shotting a knight shouldn't be the priority in list building, unless it's a 2-3 turns game, basically only a tournament thing.

Some orks builds with 60+ shielding grots can annihilate competitive lists, and neither gretchins, lootas and the stratagems that buff them are undercosted, people just need to adapt. I'm already hearing the complaints from some players that bring 20 lascannons, 15 plasmas and can't break the lootas castle.

edit blerg

There's a key difference between take all comers and present all targets.

The opposite of take all comers is a tailored list.
The opposite of a skew list is a list that presents all varieties of targets.

You want to be TAC and skewed. Have guns for killing every type of target, but only present one kind.

If you present a skewed list, ie, a list of only one target type, like IK, then you have achieved the aim of neutralizing all the non-antitank weaponry your opponent brought.

If you present a tailored list, let's say to knights and have a lot of lascannons, you will lose games against people who do not rely on tanks to win, but you'll beat knights well.

 alextroy wrote:
I believe that Facebook post was that all point changes, include those from earlier publications, would be in CA2018. It did not state that all points values for all units/equipment would be in CA.

Basically, CA would include all points changes from those in the Codex/Index.

...which is what I was saying I thought would be the case?

Glad we're all on the same page now

SemperMortis wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

Why take low strength low AP weapons anymore if all the basic troops are getting price increases (Ork boyz to 7ppm). Every tournament list for Orkz I have seen recently has gone from 180-240 Boyz to 60-90 with 90 being rare. So we are getting away from TAC lists and getting more into skew lists across the board and at the moment that means Anti-armor is going to get a priority in place as opposed to high ROF low AP weapons.

I'm sorry, how is 180-240 boyz NOT a skew list? 180-240 is not only a HARDCORE skew list, it is also THE most bullgak army to play against ever. Oh yes, I super love to spend 40 minutes in your first movement phase another 20 in your first shooting phase and another 35 in your first combat phase. Screw horde skew lists, I'd rather go against 10 Castellans.

ERJAK wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Marines are gonna suck even harder because everyone will be taking gobs of high ap

Why take low strength low AP weapons anymore if all the basic troops are getting price increases (Ork boyz to 7ppm). Every tournament list for Orkz I have seen recently has gone from 180-240 Boyz to 60-90 with 90 being rare. So we are getting away from TAC lists and getting more into skew lists across the board and at the moment that means Anti-armor is going to get a priority in place as opposed to high ROF low AP weapons.

I'm sorry, how is 180-240 boyz NOT a skew list? 180-240 is not only a HARDCORE skew list, it is also THE most bullgak army to play against ever. Oh yes, I super love to spend 40 minutes in your first movement phase another 20 in your first shooting phase and another 35 in your first combat phase. Screw horde skew lists, I'd rather go against 10 Castellans.

Show me on this miniture where idex orks touched you

He’s not wrong about 200+ models being a hell of a skew list, though.