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**Kdash**

tneva82 wrote:
Kdash wrote:
So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)

Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.

The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.

Couple things:

a) Just becase orks got new buggies doesn't mean those would have to be in the box and indeed as the discount boxes tend to be by old already paid for moulds makes sense they would not. Orks have wide amount of plastics to choose. Some boyz, nob, gorkanaut, lootas and mega nobs for example(haven't calculated what kind of box would be equilavent so just random example) and the new kits wouldn't be bothered.
b) what makes imperial fist upgrade sprue so different to all the other upgrade sprues? Seems more of same expected upgrade sprues slowly to various chapters. Dorn? If upgrade sprue makes you think of Primarch where's the Sanquinus and Lion?-)

It’s not the fact that the Orks got the new buggies etc, it’s more the fact that with Speed Freaks and the Buggies and just the general, likely very high, sales the release of those 2 and the codex has generated, it makes sense to “ride the wave” as such. Besides, as a player, if I jumped into Orks for the first time now, spent £300-500? On Boyz, Buggies, characters etc etc, and then found out later that I could have cut that cost by a 1/3rd I’d been extremely frustrated. Orks also had a box last year.

What makes the Imperial Fists upgrade different is that it is a “vanilla” chapter that’s in a codex dominated by Ultramarines in terms of model and kit support. I’ve personally never seen upgrade kits or specific boxes for Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and White Scars outside of their characters (sorry Iron Hands), while I’ve been playing the game. The question I have to ask is “Why now?”. It makes sense to have kits for the BA, DA, DW and SW because they are standalone codices, Primarchs or not. The Imperial Fist upgrade is completely out of the blue and random, and we all know that GW doesn’t really do random releases so it has to be leading somewhere with narrative implications or indicating that GW are finally going to be showing all Chapters (and then other armies beyond that) more specific love.

**lord_blackfang**

What Orks really need is a box of 6 Mek Gunz

**AndrewGPaul**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

It'll take someone having a good idea of what to do with them, and the passion to carry on with it. That's why we got an entire new Dark Eldar range, and why we're seeing Blackstone Fortress and Kill Team Rogue Trader. Apparently no-one is really enthused about new Eldar models at the moment. Or maybe they are, and we'll find out in six months when they're done.

Possibly it's the logistics of doing the Aspect Warriors in plastic. You might be able to combine Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions in one box, and Howling Banshees and Swooping Hawks in another, or perhaps they'd take the opportunity to add more new Aspects; there's concept art from 1990 of Striking Scorpions with power fists and Dark Reapers with shuriken cannon, for example.

**tneva82**

lord_blackfang wrote:
What Orks really need is a box of 6 Mek Gunz

That would be typical. Having already 5 boxes which will end up with 20 of those buggers they would THEN release discount box

Well then again...I could do with 11 smasha guns or 11 traktor guns!

(I was semi-expecting repackaged battery of 3 of those for price of maybe 2.5 or so myself with ork release but guess not)

**The Phazer**

Arachnofiend wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied so they'll get their due eventually with enough public pressure. It's bizarre that public pressure is necessary at all though; as much as I personally hate all things knife-eared elves are pretty much always one of the most popular factions in a franchise, right after whatever the mainline human faction is. There's no way a lack of market interest is why GW isn't pushing Eldar models.

TBF, we have very little idea what's coming next year except for Genestealer Cults at the very start and probably new Chaos Marines at some point in the first half. There's likely some Slaanesh, and SOB, but we've got a lot of space still and there's no more codexes. GW have done pretty well by picking off long term sacred cows over the last few years, so I don't think it's so much "public pressure" is needed so much as they have a deliberate strategy now of roughly giving customers what they want (gasp!).

It really wouldn't be a huge surprise if they look to pick off one of the biggest areas in the range that isn't plastic next either. Just like it wouldn't be hugely surprising if we got a recut Guard sprue designed to be upgraded to greatcoats.

**Arachnofiend**

Voss wrote:
Whether you (or anyone) personally like elves or not, they're a core warhammer range and aspects have been the core of the army for honestly decades. And they're functionally MIA, and have been for years. There isn't any 'meme' involved. Like many parts of the chaos range, they've been overly neglected for a long, long time. The end of that for daemons is finally in sight, but CSM and eldar still have a long way to go.

I... agree with you? I can express my distaste for elves because I don't decide what GW produces. If it was my job to figure out what to market to make the most profit out of the 40k game then I would look at how knife ears print money for everyone else and push hard for a fully updated Craftworld line. It's blatant from other examples in fantasy media that elves sell.

**Binabik15**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?

And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).

It'll take someone having a good idea of what to do with them, and the passion to carry on with it. That's why we got an entire new Dark Eldar range, and why we're seeing Blackstone Fortress and Kill Team Rogue Trader. Apparently no-one is really enthused about new Eldar models at the moment. Or maybe they are, and we'll find out in six months when they're done.

Possibly it's the logistics of doing the Aspect Warriors in plastic. You might be able to combine Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions in one box, and Howling Banshees and Swooping Hawks in another, or perhaps they'd take the opportunity to add more new Aspects; there's concept art from 1990 of Striking Scorpions with power fists and Dark Reapers with shuriken cannon, for example.

Scorpions with claws could be ace. Without Khemri there's a saddening lack of scorpions and similiar critters around. Well, not made of obsidian and metal ones at least.

And new Aspect gear is really easy to write into the background. See, this is Bob the Striking Scorpion with his thrice as bulky exo-armour, looking like a speed-mecha crossed with a scorpion? What? No, he has always been standing there. Maybe you missed him because this huge Space Marine Centurion blocked the view until now.

**lord_blackfang**

I keep saying what the Eldar need is to be in a starter set. They could fit a 6-man squad of 3 or 4 different aspects easy and aspects are perfect for push-fit models with no options, without eating up a huge number of SKUs.

**AndrewGPaul**

Binabik15 wrote:

Scorpions with claws could be ace. Without Khemri there's a saddening lack of scorpions and similiar critters around. Well, not made of obsidian and metal ones at least.

And new Aspect gear is really easy to write into the background. See, this is Bob the Striking Scorpion with his thrice as bulky exo-armour, looking like a speed-mecha crossed with a scorpion? What? No, he has always been standing there. Maybe you missed him because this huge Space Marine Centurion blocked the view until now.

Getting a little off-topic now ...

**Andykp**

Tyranid Horde wrote:
That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.

I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.

I think the target Audience is more someone new to the hobby or starting a new army. I know I look at the ones I already collect but then look at the ones that are an army I’ve always wanted but never started. Like deepkin. Sooo tempted.

**Overread**

Exactly - these boxes are aimed at new players, those who are going to start a new army or flesh out one they've only recently started building. Thus the boxes often contain core content for the arm (eg basic troops) and then GW tries to put something flashy and big into them to sweeten the deal as it were - to make it more tempting. An Eldar player new to the game is most certainly going to be tempted by getting a useful core of troops and a massive walking knight scale model.

Those players are likely not even looking at the competitive meta; and even if they are I bet most would still want a powerful and impressive model. Like it or not the visual aspect of the game is part of the hobby for many players.

**silverstu**

Vigilus is supposed to be central to the next stage of the "40k story" and Eldar are present -maybe they will get a release along with that? The question is what are GW going to do with established armies- are they going to remake elements or are they going to look for something new? Most eldar players have loads of old aspect warriors - mine are all the original 2nd ed versions and there are heaps on eBay. They would need to bring them out in a really new fresh way- bring back a bit of the esoteric and eldritch flavour rather than the austere look. Jes seemed to say he felt it was time for a new look for eldar when he was talking about the Ynnari designs. I could see the Ynnari flavour coming through in new aspects designs, or they could do something new like proper corsairs or exodites.
The other idea could be to fill out the different craft worlds - SaimHann forces are on Vigilus, Jes mentioned having ideas for different types of Jetbikes when he first unveiled the new bike designs- maybe we will see wild riders, scout bikes and shining spears? Maybe aspects will come from a Biel Tan story line.
The eldar foot line needs a refresh - I've been collecting since RT days and I'm bored looking at them these days..

**lord_blackfang**

Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else

**Overread**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else

If GW did Eldar Exodites Knights and have 6 different kits with dragon mounted eldar I'd be all over it in seconds!

**AndrewGPaul**

I'd rather have Exodites with Towering Destroyer, Fire Gale and Bright Stallion Knights.

And a 3CP stratagem where they stampede a herd of megadons across the battlefield.

**Geifer**

While I can't rule out that something shifty is going on with those Imperial Fists, personally I wouldn't read too much into it. If we saw a Raven Guard of White Scar upgrade sprue show up out of nowhere, that might be a good time to start speculating. But Imperial Fists have always taken that odd spot between supported range and total neglect that other chapters are divided into.Oftentimes when GW wants to branch out from the Big 4, you'll get the Sons of Dorn. Always has been like this. And then it's right back to Bloodblood Murderwolves.

Not that I'd mind seeing more Imperial Fists action, mind you.

silverstu wrote:
Vigilus is supposed to be central to the next stage of the "40k story" and Eldar are present -maybe they will get a release along with that? The question is what are GW going to do with established armies- are they going to remake elements or are they going to look for something new? Most eldar players have loads of old aspect warriors - mine are all the original 2nd ed versions and there are heaps on eBay. They would need to bring them out in a really new fresh way- bring back a bit of the esoteric and eldritch flavour rather than the austere look. Jes seemed to say he felt it was time for a new look for eldar when he was talking about the Ynnari designs. I could see the Ynnari flavour coming through in new aspects designs, or they could do something new like proper corsairs or exodites.
The other idea could be to fill out the different craft worlds - SaimHann forces are on Vigilus, Jes mentioned having ideas for different types of Jetbikes when he first unveiled the new bike designs- maybe we will see wild riders, scout bikes and shining spears? Maybe aspects will come from a Biel Tan story line.
The eldar foot line needs a refresh - I've been collecting since RT days and I'm bored looking at them these days..

I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.

**Jacob29**

I don't think new Aspect Warriors will ever be released.

I am almost certain GW would much rather do what they did in AoS and branch into different types of Eldar instead and develop new models.

Sad as I will never complete my collection, but well.. I can't blame them.

**aracersss**

could exclusive IF upgrade pack foresee a possible Dorn?

**silverstu**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else

That what I was thinking they might do [except with the bikes] - they took a faction within a faction and did a full release around it. I think GW will be looking to do brand new things to us not remake old units again. Jes implied he was ready to take the eldar design in a new direction, Aly Morrison also said that they consider all the main factions to be complete- other than the odd hero most factions just got a new codex and maybe dice and that's it.
Atia also implied the possibility of Exodites coming when Genestealer Cults appeared..

**Jacob29**

silverstu wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else

That what I was thinking they might do [except with the bikes] - they took a faction within a faction and did a full release around it. I think GW will be looking to do brand new things to us not remake old units again. Jes implied he was ready to take the eldar design in a new direction, Aly Morrison also said that they consider all the main factions to be complete- other than the odd hero most factions just got a new codex and maybe dice and that's it.
Atia also implied the possibility of Exodites coming when Genestealer Cults appeared..

This makes me sad :(

**casvalremdeikun**

aracersss wrote:
could exclusive IF upgrade pack foresee a possible Dorn?

Possibly. Or an expansion for the Space Marines Codex. Who knows. I would be happy with either or both.

**aka_mythos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Honestly the Imperial Fist upgrade sprue, assuming it's real, is important because it's not the main four (Ultras/BA/DA/Woofs) or even Templars. They've done joint Imperial/Crimson Fists before in some very old metal conversion packs, and of course the DW kit has a ton of different Chapter pads, but this is an Imperial Fist army. The last time GW did that... well...
...

I think the DW kit is precisely why we're able to get this and maybe other chapters in the future. For these side Chapters they have the digital assets they created for the different DW shoulder pads. The upgrade sprue is usually a weapon or two, a couple heads, a torso, and a bunch of said shoulder pads. More than half that sprue exists. The heads on some of the upgrade sprues are clearly just chapter specific modifications to existing head sculpts... again another part mostly done... same with some of the weapons... so they spend minimal time modifying a few pieces, making only one or two completely unique ones and they have ready design.

Their digital assets library has been steadily growing and its become apparent that they're much more willing now to reuse more and more pre-existing assets. Lets be honest, most of what space marine's need to distinguish their chapter at the most basic level, are those kind of details. While GW gets a hard time for all the marines, I think its clear they are putting more resources into non-marines than they have in the past and haven't been cranking out chapter specific primaris from the main 4. With diverted resources chapter sprues are a good way to have a steady stream of marine products without significant time investment.

**EnTyme**

vaklor4 wrote:
As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?

I recommend any Chaos Mortal player keeps a healthy contingent of Slaves to Darkness units around to fill out your roster. As far as the units in the battleforce for a Khorne player, Knights fill a slightly different role from Skullcrushers as they're just a little faster with a slightly better shield ability (Skullcrushers' shields only work against MW from magic, but Knights' shields work against all MW) and a slighlty more consistent banner buff (you have to kill a model with the Skullcrushers before their buff kicks in, which isn't that hard, but still . . .). Personally, I prefer the Skullcrushers, but a unit of Knights makes for a good hammer to smash into a Warriors anvil. Speaking of which, I prefer Chaos Warriors to Blood Warriors any day of the weak. They're much more durable and almost as killy. I don't know if I'm just not using Blood Warriors right, but they just feel like a points sink to me. Their only real benefit IMO is that they can attack after dying, so you can potentially attack twice with some of the models in a single turn, but their attacks are just decent, so I don't really feel like I'm doing much with it.

The real winner in this kit is the Chaos Warshrine. It's a Priest, so you can slap a Mark of Khorne on it and gain a free prayer to use every turn in addition to its normal prayer. Also note that you can build both lords for the Lord on Manticore and swap them out easily, meaning you're kind of getting two kits in one there. Just a cool kit as well, IMO.

**Crazyterran**

The Imperial Fist upgrade kit/mega force makes me wonder if a golden primarch is going to make a return as well.

**timetowaste85**

Crazyterran wrote:
The Imperial Fist upgrade kit/mega force makes me wonder if a golden primarch is going to make a return as well.

God, I hope so. Would be the first (only) Imperial Primarch I’ll pick up. Meanwhile I’d buy literally every Daemon Primarch that hits the market.

**Eldarsif**

My personal prediction regarding the Aeldari is that any new kits will be most likely related to Ynnari in some way. At best they might double the kit as a Craftworld / Ynnari unit if we're lucky.

**Azazelx**

Geifer wrote:

I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.

If that were to come to pass, I'd still hope to see any new Ynnari kits be dual-kits that could make the aspect warriors for Crftworld and something new and fancy. That would be.. what? five kits? (as we already have DA) That should theoretically be doable. Shining Spears and other add-on aspects could come along later. Or not at all if we finally got some new kits.

**MajorWesJanson**

lord_blackfang wrote:
What Orks really need is a box of 6 Mek Gunz

Eldar and Dark Eldar saw changes in their start collecting boxes. Would be cool to see some other factions do the same, like Orks with a mek, 10 boyz, 5 lootas, and a mek gun. Skitarii with a techpriest enginseer, rangers, 5 ruststalkers, and a dunestrider.

**Matt.Kingsley**

I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.

**Jidmah**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.

... it's not? The only unit that's not great in that box would be killa kanz, and even they aren't horrible.