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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 09:24:17
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Stux wrote:BrianDavion wrote:ERJAK wrote:They basically have to do new units if they want Adepta Sororitas rather than Adeptus Ministorum.
Without the ministorum units the sisters book would be like 12 units and you'd only need like 2 infantry boxes and a tank box to make everything. Also we only have 1 generic HQ.
And? the Custodes have about 8 units not including HQs, which outside of Trajan are just something you build from the infantry kits (which isn't a criticism at all and in fact I think was a GREAT idea) despite sisters being such an old and respected line we need to realize that assuming a COMPLETE relaunch of the line in plastic we need to temper our expectations a bit.
I didn't like how Custodes handled it personally. I would want the characters to stand out more than just 'isnt wearing a helmet'. Especially as I think they look way better with the helmet on.
It COULD be done well, but for me the Custodians weren't it. Likely mostly because the kit wasn't originally designed to have a proper Character option, it was just a squad sargent at the time.
well there's more then "no helmet" the shield captains also have a cape, although regarding the BIKE Captains you're dead on there, although there is also some subtle shoulder pad details that differs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 09:38:15
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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BrianDavion wrote:ERJAK wrote:They basically have to do new units if they want Adepta Sororitas rather than Adeptus Ministorum.
Without the ministorum units the sisters book would be like 12 units and you'd only need like 2 infantry boxes and a tank box to make everything. Also we only have 1 generic HQ.
And? the Custodes have about 8 units not including HQs, which outside of Trajan are just something you build from the infantry kits (which isn't a criticism at all and in fact I think was a GREAT idea) despite sisters being such an old and respected line we need to realize that assuming a COMPLETE relaunch of the line in plastic we need to temper our expectations a bit.
Except Custodes were a mistake that ultimately resulted in an army that only has one unit and its associated HQ choice, AND could have drawn on a vast line of forgeworld support if GW/Forgeworld relations didn't utterly drop the ball. Sisters got none of that.
There's no reason to not expect a full reboot of the line considering that even a Deathguard size release(7 kits i believe) would be enough to reboot everything AND add 2-3 new units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 09:39:15
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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BrianDavion wrote: Stux wrote:BrianDavion wrote:ERJAK wrote:They basically have to do new units if they want Adepta Sororitas rather than Adeptus Ministorum.
Without the ministorum units the sisters book would be like 12 units and you'd only need like 2 infantry boxes and a tank box to make everything. Also we only have 1 generic HQ.
And? the Custodes have about 8 units not including HQs, which outside of Trajan are just something you build from the infantry kits (which isn't a criticism at all and in fact I think was a GREAT idea) despite sisters being such an old and respected line we need to realize that assuming a COMPLETE relaunch of the line in plastic we need to temper our expectations a bit.
I didn't like how Custodes handled it personally. I would want the characters to stand out more than just 'isnt wearing a helmet'. Especially as I think they look way better with the helmet on.
It COULD be done well, but for me the Custodians weren't it. Likely mostly because the kit wasn't originally designed to have a proper Character option, it was just a squad sargent at the time.
well there's more then "no helmet" the shield captains also have a cape, although regarding the BIKE Captains you're dead on there, although there is also some subtle shoulder pad details that differs.
I totally blanked on the cape, that's fair! I used mine as part of a kitbash on a Marine so forgot about it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 18:49:01
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Some heavy weapons like these would be nice
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 19:38:21
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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What I'd like to see:
Our current infantry line [BSS, Doms, Rets, Seraphim] in plastic as faithful recreations of their current models.
Enough heads to completely eschew helmets. I prefer helmetless models, but I know some people don't, and I think that providing options the way the Scions kit has 2 sets of heads [masked and hatted] would be nice.
Enough special weapons to achieve maximum legal special weapon density per squad box. That is, since BSS can have 2 special weapons, I'd like to see the box have 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers, and 2 Storm Bolters. Dominions should have 4 of each special weapon in their box. It's frustrating how Devastators only come with 2 Lascannons when the squad can take 4, and how IG boxes don't come with meltaguns or plasmaguns.
Jetpacks for Canonesses. They're too damn slow to keep up with the army, and confer their buff, and we need to have too many of them to field an army.
A Lieutenant-equivalent HQ. We used to have one in days gone by.
I would also like to see Repentia re-done, with less leather and chains and BDSM-stuff and more dressed-in-scripture sort of look.
What I expect:
A couple of new units, that are supposedly way better than the originals. After all, the project will probably not be drastically successful if they don't have something for current Sisters players to buy lots of.
Larger bases. All other power armored units are on 32mm base; including SoS, who are power-armored human females. The base creep is kind of inconvenient, since while I don't care enough to re-base my Space Wolves, I'd definitely stop to re-base my Sisters. That said, I see the value of enlarged bases, and won't complain too bitterly.
A couple of other more mechanical things I'd like to see, but probably won't.
An ability to take characters along with squads acting under Hand of the Emperor.
More sources of additional Acts of Faith, with improved reliability. I'm very dissatisfied with the 50/50 shot Imagifiers offer, even if they were cheaper it'd be too unreliable for me to base my list on getting it. I'd like to see AoF granting units grant their AoF automatically or on a 2+. As an addendum, I'd like to see Canonesses grant Acts of Faith, because they're kind of aggressively useless as is, and it would be nice to get AoF's with our mandatory HQ's.
Characters to not break Dominions' Vanguard move. Again, the army [the good units, at least: Dominions, Seraphim] moves too quickly for it's support, and there's no way to keep the aura buffs with the units they need to buff.
Finally, I would very much to see Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors and Acolyetes as options, since I think that the Inquisitors best option is to be folded in with their orders militant. That said, they're still missing from the Grey Knights book, so I don't think we'll see this.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 19:52:11
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Repentia Mistress
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Finally, I would very much to see Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors and Acolyetes as options, since I think that the Inquisitors best option is to be folded in with their orders militant. That said, they're still missing from the Grey Knights book, so I don't think we'll see this.
Yes! Oh this would go so far to fixing inquisition. Bring back codex witch hunters. Such a pain needing to take 4 detachments to remake the army that got me into 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 19:56:13
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Giantwalkingchair wrote: Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Finally, I would very much to see Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors and Acolyetes as options, since I think that the Inquisitors best option is to be folded in with their orders militant. That said, they're still missing from the Grey Knights book, so I don't think we'll see this.
Yes! Oh this would go so far to fixing inquisition. Bring back codex witch hunters. Such a pain needing to take 4 detachments to remake the army that got me into 40k.
Oh yes. I'd like to see Codex: Witch Hunters, Codex: Daemonhunters, and Codex: Xenos Hunters, instead of what we have. But, unfortunately, it seems not to be.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 19:57:56
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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ERJAK wrote:BrianDavion wrote:ERJAK wrote:They basically have to do new units if they want Adepta Sororitas rather than Adeptus Ministorum.
Without the ministorum units the sisters book would be like 12 units and you'd only need like 2 infantry boxes and a tank box to make everything. Also we only have 1 generic HQ.
And? the Custodes have about 8 units not including HQs, which outside of Trajan are just something you build from the infantry kits (which isn't a criticism at all and in fact I think was a GREAT idea) despite sisters being such an old and respected line we need to realize that assuming a COMPLETE relaunch of the line in plastic we need to temper our expectations a bit.
Except Custodes were a mistake that ultimately resulted in an army that only has one unit and its associated HQ choice, AND could have drawn on a vast line of forgeworld support if GW/Forgeworld relations didn't utterly drop the ball. Sisters got none of that.
There's no reason to not expect a full reboot of the line considering that even a Deathguard size release(7 kits i believe) would be enough to reboot everything AND add 2-3 new units.
my point is arguing "we should expect something enw too because our army would be a dozen or so units" is a bad arguement as GW has happily done armies with a dozen or less units. anmd frankly I'd rather a good balanced codex then one with a million unit but only 3 playable ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 20:00:36
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I feel like if we had Codex: Xenos Hunters instead of Codex: Deathwatch we'd just have the people who wanted to play Deathwatch upset that their army has all these regular dudes in it. We've already got the same deal going on with CSM players grumbling about their armies having 120 cultists and no marines. Pairing factions that have a common cultural identity in the same book but are very different mechanically is naturally something that'll make some people quite happy and annoy others.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 21:09:37
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Freaky Flayed One
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I'm hoping for a redone repressor/immolator/exorcist upgrade kit for the humble rhino.
Probably a 1 size fits all sisters box with various assortments of heavy and special weapons.
A box of Jump Infantry with options.
Either a redone repentia box, or an all new melee focused sisters box to give sisters some much needed CC.
Plastic Cannoness with all the gubbins (jump pack, etc)
Plastic Penitence Engine with perhaps new weapon options (heavy bolters, Multi-Melta, etc)
Wish-list tier: Access to Inquisition and with it, more access to common imperium vehicles (Predator or Leman Russ tanks for example, maybe even a flyer).
As for gameplay, I would enjoy either chapter tactics or stratagems to buff the ever living hell out of the Holy Trinity of weapons. Perhaps something that lets meltas shoot further, or heavy bolters doing more damage, maybe a way to buff flamers/heavy flamers.
I've never played sisters before, but I always wanted to, just the price and lack of plastic made it hard for me to rationalize collecting them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 21:45:47
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What I want:
Sisters Terminator equivalent with storm shields and relic blades.
Seraphim with two handed great swords
Sisters on Bikes with Lances and Storm Shields
A giant rolling Cathedral Tank.
We will probably get none of these things...
Also, If I see a single inch of flat armour without a filigree, skull, angel wings, parchment or fleur du lis I will be very disappointed.
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Square Bases for Life!
AoS is pure garbage
Kill Primaris, Kill the Primarchs. They don't belong in 40K
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 22:26:30
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Arachnofiend wrote:I feel like if we had Codex: Xenos Hunters instead of Codex: Deathwatch we'd just have the people who wanted to play Deathwatch upset that their army has all these regular dudes in it. We've already got the same deal going on with CSM players grumbling about their armies having 120 cultists and no marines. Pairing factions that have a common cultural identity in the same book but are very different mechanically is naturally something that'll make some people quite happy and annoy others.
We used to be Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters.
And all things considered, I think it's the "right" way to incorporate the Inquisitors and their henchmen. It's the way it was done, and they were in the GK book up until recently, if I remember correctly. Also, like, isn't the whole point of the Deathwatch being the Inquisitorial Ordo Xenos Space Marines?
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 22:33:26
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Arachnofiend wrote:I feel like if we had Codex: Xenos Hunters instead of Codex: Deathwatch we'd just have the people who wanted to play Deathwatch upset that their army has all these regular dudes in it. We've already got the same deal going on with CSM players grumbling about their armies having 120 cultists and no marines. Pairing factions that have a common cultural identity in the same book but are very different mechanically is naturally something that'll make some people quite happy and annoy others.
We used to be Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters.
And all things considered, I think it's the "right" way to incorporate the Inquisitors and their henchmen. It's the way it was done, and they were in the GK book up until recently, if I remember correctly. Also, like, isn't the whole point of the Deathwatch being the Inquisitorial Ordo Xenos Space Marines?
The issue when they were in the GK book was there was no way to take an Inquisitor with out having to take Grey Knights which was weird and wonky. I don't mind them getting folded into another book as long as there is a way to take just an inquisitor and optional retinue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 22:48:49
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Arachnofiend wrote:I feel like if we had Codex: Xenos Hunters instead of Codex: Deathwatch we'd just have the people who wanted to play Deathwatch upset that their army has all these regular dudes in it. We've already got the same deal going on with CSM players grumbling about their armies having 120 cultists and no marines. Pairing factions that have a common cultural identity in the same book but are very different mechanically is naturally something that'll make some people quite happy and annoy others.
We used to be Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters.
And all things considered, I think it's the "right" way to incorporate the Inquisitors and their henchmen. It's the way it was done, and they were in the GK book up until recently, if I remember correctly. Also, like, isn't the whole point of the Deathwatch being the Inquisitorial Ordo Xenos Space Marines?
Depends on who you ask, personally I couldn't give less of a damn about the fluff of the Deathwatch (in the end they're loyalist marines through and through and therefore entirely uninteresting to me) and what catches my eye is the kill team organization and the unusually powerful bolters. Naturally this means I'm not interested in a Deathwatch army since I have to be invested in both the mechanics and the aesthetics to want to build something but I'm sure there are players who lean more heavily towards the mechanics who would be annoyed if their hyper-elite dudes with super special boltguns were not designed to be fielded as an army and were simply part of a larger force that includes regular joes.
Again, the Chaos example. Cultists make exactly as much sense as an inclusion in the CSM codex for exactly the same reasons Inquisitorial forces make sense as part of the GK/ DW codexes, but a lot of people (myself included) are dissatisfied with them since they throw off the mechanical theming of the army. I'd personally prefer a world where cultists aren't in the CSM book at all and are instead expanded into an entire Lost & the Damned faction of their own, though obviously that's just wishlisting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 22:54:10
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Arachnofiend wrote:I feel like if we had Codex: Xenos Hunters instead of Codex: Deathwatch we'd just have the people who wanted to play Deathwatch upset that their army has all these regular dudes in it. We've already got the same deal going on with CSM players grumbling about their armies having 120 cultists and no marines. Pairing factions that have a common cultural identity in the same book but are very different mechanically is naturally something that'll make some people quite happy and annoy others.
We used to be Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters.
And all things considered, I think it's the "right" way to incorporate the Inquisitors and their henchmen. It's the way it was done, and they were in the GK book up until recently, if I remember correctly. Also, like, isn't the whole point of the Deathwatch being the Inquisitorial Ordo Xenos Space Marines?
The issue when they were in the GK book was there was no way to take an Inquisitor with out having to take Grey Knights which was weird and wonky. I don't mind them getting folded into another book as long as there is a way to take just an inquisitor and optional retinue.
Obviously, it would be weird to have an Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor running around with Grey Knights. They should run around with Deathwatch and Sisters, respectively, and presumably their command squad of Acolytes.
I think that the Ordo Malleus Inquisitor/Lord should be in the Grey Knights book, Ordo Xenos Inquisitor/Lord should be in the Deathwatch book, and Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor/Lord should be in the Sisters of Battle book. Obviously, since there are non-Inquisitor HQ options, you wouldn't have to have an Inquisitor, but it would give the Inquisitors appropriate ways to be fielded with their appropriate orders militant.
Anyway, based on this edition's precedent on Grey Knights and Deathwatch, I doubt we are going to get Inquisitors in our book. But it would be nice for the Inquisitors, without really affecting us or our "pure Sisters [/ GK/ DW]" armies in any way.
Back to Sisters wishlisting and speculation, I expect the codex to be nothing really to write home about, probably with most profiles directly ported from the index with no real in-depth look into what makes our faction tactically and strategically viable and unique. The previewed CAD files look nice, though, so the models will probably be nice.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:02:17
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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John Prins wrote: dracpanzer wrote:Please squash forever the lazy idea of porting scouts to Sisters and calling them novitiates. 12 year old school girl nuns-to-be makes as much sense as Inquisitorial stormtroopers wearing shorts and ball caps looking for merit badges while they get murdered by everything.
Think of it more as 18-21 year old women that didn't quite make the devotional cut to become full SoB, but are still permitted to fight with inferior weapons and armor. Double bonus points if they're armed like Imperial Guard, as people could use them as female Imperial Guard.
So you can be put in to the Repentia for minor transgressions. But if you flat out fail to make the cut, martial or spiritual, you get to sully the field where true Martyrs shed their blood? No thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:02:51
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Really looking forward to the Sisters line.
First and foremost, I just hope they stick with the Gothic look (and I think they will based on previews). If they just make female Marines/guard then it's a failed release.
Plastic updates to the range. Though I'm ok if they just leave the Rhino/immolator kit as it is, if it means it makes room for another kit.
Would be cool to have a 'Zealous Mob' unit lead by a priest. Just a bunch of local citizens that get whipped into a frenzy by enthusiastic preaching.
I'd also like a foot based 'assault' unit, but all dual wielding pistols rather than CC weapons. Seraphim without the wings. A Seraphim varient with power lances would be cool too.
Would also be awesome if Sisters became the definitive anti-psycher faction. Sort of like the old Witchhunters Dex...except have the anti-psychic stuff actually work this time. I want a faction that makes certain armies (Thousand Sons, Chaos, Eldar, etc) think 'Oh S#!+'.
Stick with the Holy Trinity, flamers, meltas, Bolters. I know Plasma is 'in' right now, but it's not Sisters.
It will be interesting to see how they make Faith work. The whole Strategem system is basically derivative to how the old Sisters Acts of Faith worked. (Then it was removed supposedly because it was 'too hard to keep track of'... Then got it's name changed and applied to every army). Hopefully they don't just name their Strats 'Acts of Faith'.
New penitent engines as well, maybe ones that can actually be of some use on the battlefield too.
I'm not looking for much that is innovative or new though. If they just stick with the classic Sisters stuff and do it well, then I'll be plenty happy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:07:17
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Creeping Dementia wrote:Would also be awesome if Sisters became the definitive anti-psycher faction. Sort of like the old Witchhunters Dex...except have the anti-psychic stuff actually work this time. I want a faction that makes certain armies (Thousand Sons, Chaos, Eldar, etc) think 'Oh S#!+'.
Aren't Tyranids already this with Shadow of the Warp? There's even a hive fleet choice that can be particularly ruinous to enemy psykers. I do agree with the idea that Sisters should have strong tools to fight psykers, though more as part of a general design philosophy where armies that lack a psychic element should all have strong tools against the psychic phase (my poor Necrons...).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:08:25
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Arachnofiend wrote:
I'm sure there are players who lean more heavily towards the mechanics who would be annoyed if their hyper-elite dudes with super special boltguns were not designed to be fielded as an army and were simply part of a larger force that includes regular joes.
There's also players who would want to be able to field regular joes with their deathwatch troops. If they just added Scions (for example) to the Deathwatch book right now with the same stipulations as in the Guard book, would that disrupt the focus of the book?
I know that lots of grey knights players are upset they lost inquisition troops.
My brother's interest in Deathwatch hinges on running it as a part of a larger army (mostly stormtroopers) and not solo.
IDK though, I just feel that compartmentalizing these options is unnecessary and forces people to buy a lot of books just to run an army that is 100% fluffy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:12:47
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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epronovost wrote:In the Sororitas fandex I produced a few years back, Novice where at minimum 16 years old (12 to 15 at the exit of hte scholam plus about 4 more years of training at the covent prioris on Terra or Ophelia VII). They wear power armor, but don't have boltgun, only bolt pistols and close combat weapon (or two bolt pistols). I indended them to be used as cheaper Sisters of Battle as to spam more 3+ armor save bodies on the board. Basically giving the option to Sisters to horde. Steath Sisters should be vets in my opinion a bit like it's the case in all armies except Space Marines where 16 years rocky get to handle scout duties. Yes to novice, but no to novice being wannabe scouts.
In a faction that views every piece of wargear as a relic, I just dont buy novices of any kind. There are a lot of other things they could do with troop choices but honestly they don't need to. Move Repentia over from Elites, give them the same unit size of BSS and change the Eviscerator into a chainsword, give them Angelic Visage and Martyrdom, make them 4-6 points. Who needs novices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:26:37
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Oh, yeah, also, what's with the Seraphim Superior?
I know it's because she doesn't have a model option wielding anything other than a Power Sword/Plasma Pistol, but like, it would make me happy if she could have the pistol/CQC options of the other Sister Superiors. Power Axe wielding Seraphim Superior would be pretty nice.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/29 23:56:22
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:Oh, yeah, also, what's with the Seraphim Superior?
I know it's because she doesn't have a model option wielding anything other than a Power Sword/Plasma Pistol, but like, it would make me happy if she could have the pistol/CQC options of the other Sister Superiors. Power Axe wielding Seraphim Superior would be pretty nice.
And Inferno Pistol!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 00:13:49
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What I hope for is what GW showed off with the test mini picture they released. Take the existing sisters line and make it plastic, multi pose and add some variations to the faces/ hair styles. The Immolator and Rhino kits are fine but the Exorcist and Represser could use a new kit. Keep the holy trinity and don't add any plasma. Plastic priests and if they absolutely have to get a chaff unit, do it through that. A priest leading a fired up mob of holy pilgrims. Some extra anti psyker stuff since that is a big part of their job.
What I expect. Gorgeous models with a bunch of new weapon options that are just slightly better than anything the old models could take. Probably some gigantic hover tank cause the Imperium suddenly can make those again. Some weird terminator equivalent. Maybe some terrain to go along with them based on the ork release. More clam pack characters with no options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 00:47:09
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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dracpanzer wrote:In a faction that views every piece of wargear as a relic, I just dont buy novices of any kind.
Well, pretty much all armies of the Imperium treats its gear as somehting sacred. The cloath used to polish a lasgun is blessed and there are mandatory prayers to lasguns. Venerating your gear is a feature of the Imperium, not a "bug" of the Sisters of Battle. Plus, Novice means youngest and least experimented Sister and in my opinion that means a young women who has been trained day and night for a minimum of 10 years by experst in their fields. They are extremely good soldiers and dangerous combattant, just less then one who has decades of experience on the battlefield and kept young and fit thanks to rejuvenat. At some point a Sister needs a first taste of combat in full gear and that to me is a Novice. Being young and green is in no way an obstacle to be a death machine on the battlefield which a Sister in full gear can certainly be in my opinion even with "only" a decade of intense military training.
There are a lot of other things they could do with troop choices but honestly they don't need to. Move Repentia over from Elites, give them the same unit size of BSS and change the Eviscerator into a chainsword, give them Angelic Visage and Martyrdom, make them 4-6 points. Who needs novices.
I did that too and strongly support the idea of cheaper Repentia armed with normal close combat weapons or something that allows them to hit at normal speed or accuracy with the Eviscerator as an option. Keeping them cheap and a little bit more versatile is certainly a good idea in my opinion. I would also hope the models to be a little less BDSM. Replace the gimp masks for hoods and cloaks, keep the loincloath and add scriptures and injuries to the model. I think they would look much better this way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 06:35:22
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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dracpanzer wrote: John Prins wrote: dracpanzer wrote:Please squash forever the lazy idea of porting scouts to Sisters and calling them novitiates. 12 year old school girl nuns-to-be makes as much sense as Inquisitorial stormtroopers wearing shorts and ball caps looking for merit badges while they get murdered by everything.
Think of it more as 18-21 year old women that didn't quite make the devotional cut to become full SoB, but are still permitted to fight with inferior weapons and armor. Double bonus points if they're armed like Imperial Guard, as people could use them as female Imperial Guard.
So you can be put in to the Repentia for minor transgressions. But if you flat out fail to make the cut, martial or spiritual, you get to sully the field where true Martyrs shed their blood? No thanks.
Considering that every Imperial Guardsman takes the field with a fraction of the faith of even a failed Sister, yes. After all, the Emperor will let anyone die for Him, even abhumans!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 15:04:59
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Calm Celestian
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Hmmm... after reading what everyone else has said, I'm now doubting we'll see a plastic kit for the Prioris Pattern Exorcist, which would be a shame.
I think the single infantry kit and a Seraphim kit is going to be the basis of the update. I would like to see a kit for Celestians too, though. Maybe with more Artifice-y armour?
How would people about a Abbess Sabrina (or similar) model?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 15:11:53
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lammia wrote:Hmmm... after reading what everyone else has said, I'm now doubting we'll see a plastic kit for the Prioris Pattern Exorcist, which would be a shame.
I think the single infantry kit and a Seraphim kit is going to be the basis of the update. I would like to see a kit for Celestians too, though. Maybe with more Artifice-y armour?
How would people about a Abbess Sabrina (or similar) model?
If sisters are going to get a vehicle kit ( which I actually thing is likely) it will be something new. GW's last few releases have made clear that it is generally not interested in redoing older kits but instead releasing something new since they think that will sell better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 16:44:09
Subject: Re:Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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John Prins wrote: dracpanzer wrote: John Prins wrote: dracpanzer wrote:Please squash forever the lazy idea of porting scouts to Sisters and calling them novitiates. 12 year old school girl nuns-to-be makes as much sense as Inquisitorial stormtroopers wearing shorts and ball caps looking for merit badges while they get murdered by everything.
Think of it more as 18-21 year old women that didn't quite make the devotional cut to become full SoB, but are still permitted to fight with inferior weapons and armor. Double bonus points if they're armed like Imperial Guard, as people could use them as female Imperial Guard.
So you can be put in to the Repentia for minor transgressions. But if you flat out fail to make the cut, martial or spiritual, you get to sully the field where true Martyrs shed their blood? No thanks.
Considering that every Imperial Guardsman takes the field with a fraction of the faith of even a failed Sister, yes. After all, the Emperor will let anyone die for Him, even abhumans!
Do they let any of them wear the regalia of a Sororitas? But of a difference between a guardsmen, ratling or ogryn and a Sororitas. I think the Sisters line would be better served by a unit that isn't just a girlie version of a different imperium unit. Its not like everyone is fielding Rievers, why would putting a S3 T3 1W sister with even two bolt pistols in power armor be a good thing? Novices like you guys want serve no purpose you cant get somewhere else with soup.
If we are going to get a different troop type, at least give them a new purpose. Repentia could be used for chaff. Frateris Militia could be used for chaff. Doing so doesn't break the fluff, and doesn't waste a possible new kit on a why bother unit. Besides BSS might just be cheap enough (if the SM point reductions are true) that we might not need that many cheap bodies.
Give me an interesting new unit, that has a chance to change the way I have been playing Sisters for over two decades. Not seraphim without jump packs in a troop slot. They took those from the Canoness, see how that went over?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 16:58:42
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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HoundsofDemos wrote:If sisters are going to get a vehicle kit ( which I actually thing is likely) it will be something new. GW's last few releases have made clear that it is generally not interested in redoing older kits but instead releasing something new since they think that will sell better.
And it shall be named the Depressor, for it will be nothing that players want, at a cost that makes it useless, but it will carry 17 Sisters with bolters, each special weapon taking up 2 spaces and each heavy weapon taking up 4.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/10/30 16:59:58
Subject: Sisters Speculation - What do you expect/want from the updated Sisters range?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:It's frustrating how Devastators only come with 2 Lascannons when the squad can take 4, and how IG boxes don't come with meltaguns or plasmaguns.
But then how would they charge you $15 for 2 models with one each of those weapons (when you only want one of them likely anyway)? Yeah that's why.
Either way, personally I'm looking forward to what they do with the Sisters line, the small previews we've seen so far look pretty decent. And I fully expect a new unit or two, or weapon option - just to get those long time sisters players with an army already to buy more stuff.
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