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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Curious to see what happens with Celestine.
If she doesnt get an order keyword, thats going to kill the Convictions. If she gets OoOML keyword, shed only see use in OoOML detachments. Not everyone used that order and for some people would almost invalidate her because of that. I know this would definately be the case for myself.

Am really hoping that if not in CA, then in the full dex, we have an option for a generic living saint or other suitable option to let that model be useful/useable for the non martyred lady players.

I think most of the named characters so far were locked to their subfaction when they got a dex? Might be wrong.

Most characters aren't as old as Celestine... and most armies have more than one named character...
I could see her get a 'Living Saint' special rule that works similar to the... Flash Gitz(?) Ability to not break Kulturs...

Lammia wrote:

Most characters aren't as old as Celestine... and most armies have more than one named character...
I could see her get a 'Living Saint' special rule that works similar to the... Flash Gitz(?) Ability to not break Kulturs...

This would be my thought, Celestine certainly transcends the deployments of just the OoOML.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I think most of the named characters so far were locked to their subfaction when they got a dex? Might be wrong.

You are right, and it sucks. I really like more the old way of doing things with selecting traits to create your own chapter/regiment like they did in 3rd/4th ed (not sure?) than the “even more flanderization of the universe with only 6 subfaction for every faction, the same stupid characters always being present everywhere in the fluff and on the table”.

As long as her ability works on Adepta Sororitas units, even if she's Our Martyred Lady, I can find a detachment for her.

Well she is not a Repentia

ERJAK wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
I would like to see a complete 'plastification' of their line with the addition of several new units. I really like the aesthetic they have, so I hope there aren't any significant changes there. I know I might be hoping for a bit too much, and I totally understand if GW splits the release over 2019. I just think it would be a shame if they didn't seize the chance to retire the old resin models.

Sisters don't have any resin models. They're all metal. The line is so old it predates GW's resin cast. .

*Stares at own metal sister models. Oh yeah.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Well she is not a Repentia

Spoiler:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I think most of the named characters so far were locked to their subfaction when they got a dex? Might be wrong.

You are right, and it sucks. I really like more the old way of doing things with selecting traits to create your own chapter/regiment like they did in 3rd/4th ed (not sure?) than the “even more flanderization of the universe with only 6 subfaction for every faction, the same stupid characters always being present everywhere in the fluff and on the table”.

Fabius Bile isn't locked to any CSM Legion and doesn't have the <LEGION> keyword, but he has an exception (like the non-regimental guard units, ork freebootas, etc) that makes it so he doesn't screw up your subfaction ability.
Celestine will likely be the same.

I suspect that like Guilliman buffs Marines, but buffs Ultramarines more; that Celestine will buff Sisters, but buff Order of Our Martyred Lady more.

So with the Blackstone Fortress reveal confirming that all the models have 40k data-slates. Any thoughts on how the missionary zealot and confessor priest guy might fall in to our laps?

 dracpanzer wrote:
So with the Blackstone Fortress reveal confirming that all the models have 40k data-slates. Any thoughts on how the missionary zealot and confessor priest guy might fall in to our laps?

Since we know she isn't exactly a Repentia now I expect her to be a specific, named character that isn't a generalized unit.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Well she is not a Repentia

Spoiler:

She is an angel from heaven <3 <3 <3.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
So with the Blackstone Fortress reveal confirming that all the models have 40k data-slates. Any thoughts on how the missionary zealot and confessor priest guy might fall in to our laps?

Since we know she isn't exactly a Repentia now I expect her to be a specific, named character that isn't a generalized unit.

I could see her coming as a generic Elite character in the same style as the Imagifer, Hospitaller, Dialogus and their like. Depending on stats and cost, might make for a fun way to bring the Priest/Confessor type hopefully HQ guy, with some hopefully Elite Missionary Zealots and a couple of CA Beta Dex improved PenEngines.

A lot of hope there, so take with some holy salt, could be fun and interesting though.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

She is an angel from heaven <3 <3 <3.

I think it might actually be a dude...

and I hope he or she isn't a unique character a squad of elite flamers/chainsword sounds really cool.

epronovost wrote:
I think it might actually be a dude...

The 'Unique Actions' text uses the female pronoun.

epronovost wrote:
I think it might actually be a dude...

GW doing armored female model right .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

epronovost wrote:
I think it might actually be a dude...

GW doing armored female model right .

It is actually a pretty feminine design, it's just the raised armor chest is designed in a more subtle, the-way-breasts-interact-with-clothing sort of way rather than the boob sockets we're used to.

Yes, it really reads as feminine in my opinion. From the very first time I saw the model, before noticing the pronouns, I recognized it as a female model. But it's done without making it a caricature either, and that's why I say it's armored female model done right!

Would love to see more saints, while celestine is definately enough there are other living and reincarnated saints out there.

more character choices

Celestians that are actually worth taking

More walkers beyond just penitent engines (iv got a sick high priest on a war pulpit), i mean who doesnt want a walking shrine

would love to see the return of a flyer since we lost Avenger strike fighter

would also love to see a melee or hybrid varient on Seraphim

Cannoness with jump pack

Some sort of Shrine or Tomb Fortification.

Faith system that actually scales by army size and isnt just inferior guard orders

at the very least i will take any option that lets us break away from the required 3 units of dominions with melta guns in repressors (honestly repressors need to lose the fire ports)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes, it really reads as feminine in my opinion. From the very first time I saw the model, before noticing the pronouns, I recognized it as a female model. But it's done without making it a caricature either, and that's why I say it's armored female model done right!

Yea GW finally got the whole men and woman look fairly similar in combat gear besides the face and possibly size.

 warmaster21 wrote:
Would love to see more saints, while celestine is definately enough there are other living and reincarnated saints out there.

more character choices

Celestians that are actually worth taking

More walkers beyond just penitent engines (iv got a sick high priest on a war pulpit), i mean who doesnt want a walking shrine

would love to see the return of a flyer since we lost Avenger strike fighter

would also love to see a melee or hybrid varient on Seraphim

Cannoness with jump pack

Some sort of Shrine or Tomb Fortification.

Faith system that actually scales by army size and isnt just inferior guard orders

at the very least i will take any option that lets us break away from the required 3 units of dominions with melta guns in repressors (honestly repressors need to lose the fire ports)

The method to which you get additional acts of faith is inferior to guard orders. Acts of faith themselves are far, far better, especially considering our infantry are far better. Being able to act outside of a phase is obscenely powerful. All they need to do is figure out a way to add additional AoFs that isn't a terrible 40pt character.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

epronovost wrote:
I think it might actually be a dude...

GW doing armored female model right .

It is actually a pretty feminine design, it's just the raised armor chest is designed in a more subtle, the-way-breasts-interact-with-clothing sort of way rather than the boob sockets we're used to.

No boob plate? She will stand out in my SoB collection like a sore thumb. Missy, go to the artificer and demand a proper power armour fitting for a zealous woman.

I don't get it, she has a really cool armor, more armored than Cadian, and she gets a … 7+ save???!!!?? Worse than Orks with tshirts??!!?!,

That is very strange, I definitely thought she was wearing power armor. Should definitely be a 4+ at the very least.

depe ds what the armor she's wearing is made of, if it's say, leather then I could see something less, but agreed 7+ is too low.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't get it, she has a really cool armor, more armored than Cadian, and she gets a … 7+ save???!!!?? Worse than Orks with tshirts??!!?!,

It's true that she looked rather heavily armored. I would have said carapace armor or maybe even power armor, but it seems that her armor is actually made of leather and faith or somehting similarly bad. That's a weird choice.

We've unboxed Blackstone Fortress at my store and I've had a quick glance at some datasheets. Thaddeus is just a Munistorum Priest with a stubber and a Power Maul, costs 65-80 pts, I don't remember. Dorne has a Assault flamer S5 AP-1 and a CC weapon for which I forgot the profile, and costs something like 25-30 pts, Elite choice.

epronovost wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I don't get it, she has a really cool armor, more armored than Cadian, and she gets a … 7+ save???!!!?? Worse than Orks with tshirts??!!?!,

It's true that she looked rather heavily armored. I would have said carapace armor or maybe even power armor, but it seems that her armor is actually made of leather and faith or somehting similarly bad. That's a weird choice.

7+ is usually saved for models that are running around effectively naked. Poxwalkers are a 7+ save. Even if she's wearing leather armor (which is definitely not conveyed well with the model's design) it should be a 6+ at least.

 warmaster21 wrote:

Faith system that actually scales by army size and isnt just inferior guard orders

Acts of Faith are significantly better than Orders in every way (shoot again is better than FRFSRF and the reroll orders; fight again is better than Fix Bayonets because it occurs before the movement phase, allowing you to attack and still fall back; move again is better than Move Move Move because it doesn't prevent you from shooting, and doesn't impact your shooting phase), and having easier access to them than the Imagifier tax would make Sisters unbeatable.

If Imagifiers were an HQ choice, I would say that the AoF system is in a really good spot (it strongly encourages souping, but that's fine).

 warmaster21 wrote:

at the very least i will take any option that lets us break away from the required 3 units of dominions with melta guns in repressors (honestly repressors need to lose the fire ports)

First, you should already be off melta Doms in Repressors in ITC, because Repressors walk into anti-knight firepower, but don't have the knights' 3++ to soak it. Further, they're inefficient against Rotate+Ion Knights, with a four melta squad averaging about 2.5 damage in melta range, making them less efficient than their weight in storm bolters at the same range (which is super sad). So they really just feed BGH and MFD points.

Second, Repressors are only a thing because of the firing ports, without them, they'd be overcosted Rhinos and you would never take them, just as you never take Rhinos.

PuppetSoul wrote:
If Imagifiers were an HQ choice, I would say that the AoF system is in a really good spot (it strongly encourages souping, but that's fine).

I find their biggest problems are positioning and unreliability for the cost. Unable to advance with seraphim or dominions, unable to faith a disembarking unit like repentia or mech retributors, unable to double-hit with repentia until two full player turns after they charge.

They get largely pigeon-holed into a coin flip on the first turn to advance seraphim followed by retributor support - at which point they are effectively a 40 point upgrade to an 85 point unit that lets them shoot twice every other round(ish). Not terrible but once the retributors get shot up the short range of the imagifier takes them out of action too.

 warmaster21 wrote:
(honestly repressors need to lose the fire ports)

Sisters already have rhinos.
No-one uses them.