Hellblasters or Long Fangs

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**Pandabeer**

wuestenfux wrote:
Well I think that a SW army with Primaris included is totally unfluffy.
What they get are renaissance Marines, the next generation, but no longer the hauling und beer drinking Grey Hunter.

They've been, although somewhat grudgingly, accepted. A lot of them even took the Test of Morkai to prove themselves. So yeah, it's fluffy. Having said that, most Primaris units don't really synergize well with SW, so you're probably better off with fielding standard stuff.

**Alphabet**

Marmatag wrote:
The best way to think about the warp, and harnessing its power, is like magic in mage the ascension. You can do all kinds of cool stuff, but there are serious consequences. Whereas if you use magic responsibly in ways that can be reconciled and make sense, nobody gets hurt.

Anyway.

Hellblasters can be outflanked by Space Wolves. Which means you can drop them in, overcharge, and shoot the crap out of something.

Long fangs are an option because of innate reroll 1s, but also because their stratagems are quite good. Ignoring hit penalties, as well as rerolling all wounds. Let's also not forget that if a rune priest is nearby, should someone attempt to deep strike you can also light it up with your long fangs.

I would say, in general, that space wolves would struggle against flyer heavy lists. Long fangs provide you some answer there.

I am unsure what Outflank and this rune priests ability to let them hit deep striking units are. I have been told about them, but couldn't find them in the codex, are they in the main rules?

**Dakka Wolf**

Marmatag wrote:
The best way to think about the warp, and harnessing its power, is like magic in mage the ascension. You can do all kinds of cool stuff, but there are serious consequences. Whereas if you use magic responsibly in ways that can be reconciled and make sense, nobody gets hurt.

Anyway.

Hellblasters can be outflanked by Space Wolves. Which means you can drop them in, overcharge, and shoot the crap out of something.

Long fangs are an option because of innate reroll 1s, but also because their stratagems are quite good. Ignoring hit penalties, as well as rerolling all wounds. Let's also not forget that if a rune priest is nearby, should someone attempt to deep strike you can also light it up with your long fangs.

I would say, in general, that space wolves would struggle against flyer heavy lists. Long fangs provide you some answer there.

Most of those are Space Wolves Strategems, available to all Space Wolves.
Cunning of the Wolf (outflank) can be used by the Long Fangs, Hellbasters and any other Space Wolves Infantry.
Keen Senses (ignore modifiers) can be used by any Space Wolf.
Chooser of the Slain only requires a gun to use.

**Marmatag**

Yes, i'm aware of that. The only one specific to the long fangs is the ability to reroll wounds.

But, in practice, these will generally apply more to long fangs.

**Dakka Wolf**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Dakka Wolf wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
To quote The Emperor: "THE SPACE WOLVES ARE QUICKLY REVEALED TO BE GAK-MASTERS SUPREME BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT FRIENDLY WOLF SPIRITS OF FENRIS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN INSISTING ON FOR THE PAST 10 MILLENNIA THOSE ARE FETHING DAEMONS."

For an Emperor quote that sounds awfully Ork-ish, you sure it’s a quote and not paraphrase?
In case you're not playing a bit: It's from "If the Emperor had a Text To Speech Device", a hilarious Webshow about what would happen if the Golden Throne was installed with the magical technology of M2

To get back on topic: Long Fangs supported by a Wolf Priest are good. Hellblasters outflanking is good. It's down to personal preference.

Never heard of it, I was referring to your forum status as the Waaargh of an Ork Warboss.
I shall check it out though.
How is a Wolf Priest useful to a long range, single wound unit? Did I miss something?

**BaconCatBug**

I think I meant Rune Priests. Whatever one has the "Shoot at Deep Strikers" stratagem. I am senile in my old age it seems :(

**Dakka Wolf**

hobojebus wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
I'll say it hellblasters are terrible, primaris are terrible and don't fit with wolves lore wise.
Not to be a negative nancy, but in the lore the Space Wolves have accepted the Primaris as being worthy due to their performance in battle, and considering the tag team duo of Magnus and the Grey Knights wiped out 99% of the Fenrisian population, the Space Wolves are already a dead chapter walking. They can't replace their losses from native fenrisians, the closest they could get would be the void-ship serf population, which is nowhere near the same thing and I'd not be surprised if they had genetically drifted too much anyway. Space Wolves either accept the Primaris and slowly hope they can rebuild their native Fenrisian population, or they become Primaris only and cease to be Space Wolves in anything but name.

So much wrong here.

First the stormcaller just returned from Prospero with 13 th company heresy era marines their numbers are further boosted by heresy era tanks meaning they are probably stronger now than they've been for centuries.

Further more ashes of prospero makes it very clear they are not trusted by the great wolf and kept at arms length, of all the chapters it would be wolves that would turn primaris down they are staunch traditionalists, the fact the codex largely skipped over their acceptance shows gw was just stuffing them in hoping they'd sell.

You can't import people to fenris they won't have the canis helix and will freeze to death in minutes of landing, and As the wolf brothers showed no helix no successful space marine.

99% wiped out is stated no where, sure numbers were hit hard but given there's no other world out there to recruit from even the writers wouldn't wipe out the fenrisian population to that extent.

The only opinion I’ve seen from the Space Wolves regarding the Primaris is Njal thinking about them being taller than Grimnar in Terminator armour being impressive. Otherwise the only real information the Wolves have put up is that they have left half on Terra performing similar duties to the Wolfblade of keeping the Wolves in the good graces of influential people so the Wolves suffer less flack for the problems they cause.
The Wolves have been successfully creating new Primaris Marines but that still leaves a thousand space Wolves Primaris Marines that haven’t had much mention in the fluff.
I like to think the Wolves are trying to create a successor chapter out of Terran Primaris Space Wolves that have no link to Fenris.

**hobojebus**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
I'll say it hellblasters are terrible, primaris are terrible and don't fit with wolves lore wise.
Not to be a negative nancy, but in the lore the Space Wolves have accepted the Primaris as being worthy due to their performance in battle, and considering the tag team duo of Magnus and the Grey Knights wiped out 99% of the Fenrisian population, the Space Wolves are already a dead chapter walking. They can't replace their losses from native fenrisians, the closest they could get would be the void-ship serf population, which is nowhere near the same thing and I'd not be surprised if they had genetically drifted too much anyway. Space Wolves either accept the Primaris and slowly hope they can rebuild their native Fenrisian population, or they become Primaris only and cease to be Space Wolves in anything but name.

So much wrong here.

First the stormcaller just returned from Prospero with 13 th company heresy era marines their numbers are further boosted by heresy era tanks meaning they are probably stronger now than they've been for centuries.

Further more ashes of prospero makes it very clear they are not trusted by the great wolf and kept at arms length, of all the chapters it would be wolves that would turn primaris down they are staunch traditionalists, the fact the codex largely skipped over their acceptance shows gw was just stuffing them in hoping they'd sell.

You can't import people to fenris they won't have the canis helix and will freeze to death in minutes of landing, and As the wolf brothers showed no helix no successful space marine.

99% wiped out is stated no where, sure numbers were hit hard but given there's no other world out there to recruit from even the writers wouldn't wipe out the fenrisian population to that extent.

The only opinion I’ve seen from the Space Wolves regarding the Primaris is Njal thinking about them being taller than Grimnar in Terminator armour being impressive. Otherwise the only real information the Wolves have put up is that they have left half on Terra performing similar duties to the Wolfblade of keeping the Wolves in the good graces of influential people so the Wolves suffer less flack for the problems they cause.
The Wolves have been successfully creating new Primaris Marines but that still leaves a thousand space Wolves Primaris Marines that haven’t had much mention in the fluff.
I like to think the Wolves are trying to create a successor chapter out of Terran Primaris Space Wolves that have no link to Fenris.

You can't make space wolves out of non fenrisians without extreme levels of genetic screening, the emperor himself personally oversaw the screening process to make the VIth, they were a tiny force until they found fenris and a compatible strain of humanity.

The wolf brothers failed because they recruited from a different world.

Primaris are not immune to the curse of the wulfen, making them from terrans would greatly hasten degradation.