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The RG centurion nerf is so Good for us, I had no chance against that list last time I faced it.

Imp fists will not be able to gain extra dmg against vehicules after turn 1, so my 6 deff dredds will not fear them just so much anymore!

Kebabcito wrote:
The RG centurion nerf is so Good for us, I had no chance against that list last time I faced it.

They can still deppstrike turn 2 and use their 11" flamers as RG successor chapter with the long range marksmen trait and still get to move at the start of the first battle round with the Infiltrators strategem and get a 31" / 28" (Successor / RG) flamer thread range and 25" / 22" if they want to shoot their hurricane bolters as well. So keep that in mind while deploying.

Still, makes RG a lot easier to handle.

Really happy those changes happened before my next tournament.
Btw, any predictions when the PA book will drop?
Any rules that are realeased until 14. march are legal in that tournament but i guess that the release will be after that deadline. :(


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addnid wrote:
Imp fists will not be able to gain extra dmg against vehicules after turn 1, so my 6 deff dredds will not fear them just so much anymore!

Yeah, this makes tellyporting Dreads and maybe even buggies quite tempting if you phase lots of stalker bolters and bad terrain. But stalker bolters will still be a pain for our light vehicles. I hope marine players will field more bolt rifles instead, those are better to handle for those poor vehicles.

 Grotrebel wrote:
Btw, any predictions when the PA book will drop?
Any rules that are realeased until 14. march are legal in that tournament but i guess that the release will be after that deadline. :(

Most likely the preorder announcement will be this sunday, which then means one or two weeks until it actually drops. So it's pretty likely to arrive on the 14th.

The fact that they cant sit in Devastator anymore is awesome on its own.
Ive lost count how many marine players (except white scars) just sit in devastator for all eternity.

The centurion thing is good because you can always spread out your deepstrike screens to make it a lot harder to hit the target they want to, even if they get to flame.

Spread out enough grots and let them nuke some 3 point gits.

I think Orks may have a resurgence. If SM drop back to their previous levels (10-15 instead of 25-30%), I bet you a lot more Ork armies can be viable.

ITC rules have also changed which should help out the green boys a bit, minus still probably restricting us to a green tide. But we also have a book coming which may shake up the army. Look at what it did for GK, for instance.

I mean, we're not going to get GK levels of buffs because that'd mean Orks become broken. But my personal hope is that as an overarching buff we get something like Admechs canticles of the omnissiah, assuming the army is battleforged and mono-kultur. However if Ghaz is in your army you can mix and match clans and still get the buff.

Call it "Powers of da waaagh" or whatever but basically make them buffs that range from highly situational (but then good in that situation) to pretty decent. Stuff like you get +an additional 1 to your armour save when in cover. Army wide 6+FnP versus MWs etc..

Have them work the same way as Admech, where you can choose which one you want but you can only pick a specific one a single time. Or you can roll which can grant you a power you've already picked if lucky.

Just some fun&fluffy rules that tries to bridge the gap between mixed- and mono-clans.

tulun wrote:
The centurion thing is good because you can always spread out your deepstrike screens to make it a lot harder to hit the target they want to, even if they get to flame.

Spread out enough grots and let them nuke some 3 point gits.

I think Orks may have a resurgence. If SM drop back to their previous levels (10-15 instead of 25-30%), I bet you a lot more Ork armies can be viable.

ITC rules have also changed which should help out the green boys a bit, minus still probably restricting us to a green tide. But we also have a book coming which may shake up the army. Look at what it did for GK, for instance.

Centurion thing isn't neccessarily as big though. Are centurions that much better than aggressors? Rh will switch to those instead

tneva82 wrote:

tulun wrote:
The centurion thing is good because you can always spread out your deepstrike screens to make it a lot harder to hit the target they want to, even if they get to flame.

Spread out enough grots and let them nuke some 3 point gits.

I think Orks may have a resurgence. If SM drop back to their previous levels (10-15 instead of 25-30%), I bet you a lot more Ork armies can be viable.

ITC rules have also changed which should help out the green boys a bit, minus still probably restricting us to a green tide. But we also have a book coming which may shake up the army. Look at what it did for GK, for instance.

Centurion thing isn't neccessarily as big though. Are centurions that much better than aggressors? Rh will switch to those instead

Unquestionably still good. But no, Aggressors are way easier for us to deal with.

3+ save AND 3 wounds vs 2+ and 4 wounds. Orks have some efficient options for dealing with power armour and 3 wounds. Rokkits can 1 shot them. Da Killa Klaw kills them in 1 attack instead of 2.

In melee too, they have -1 to hit and d3 wounds instead of NO negative hit modifier and flat 3.

Assault Cents are quite a chunk more powerful.

Fair enough. No rg here so very little experience with centurions. Just keep in mind still 100 or so bolter shots or lots of flamers and bolters in your doorstep t1. Their alpha strike didn"' take a hit.

Good to know bit easier to take out after alpha strike done though.

If we don't get mono-Kultur buffs (and adjustments to our worst Kulturz), I'm gonna figure out who the CEO of GW is, buy a plane ticket to England, and kick him in the nuts.

Kevin roundtree.

Saved troubie of searching

Sigh, it's after 6PM UK time so there's probably no Ghaz or PA article coming today either. That's a shame..

PiñaColada wrote:
Sigh, it's after 6PM UK time so there's probably no Ghaz or PA article coming today either. That's a shame..

So that's why I get all my news around 9:00 in the morning. I'm glad to know there is a cutoff to expectations.

Unless GW are responding to leaks with a last minute article they almost never post anything after 6PM UK time (give or take 15 min, it's not an exact cutoff)

 Jidmah wrote:

 Grotrebel wrote:
Btw, any predictions when the PA book will drop?
Any rules that are realeased until 14. march are legal in that tournament but i guess that the release will be after that deadline. :(

Most likely the preorder announcement will be this sunday, which then means one or two weeks until it actually drops. So it's pretty likely to arrive on the 14th.

That would be neat.

Time for posting army lists is until 21., so i might even get some test games before.
Maybe there will be some nasty tricks to catch some players offguard as well.
Now i just need to finish the 12 movement trays i bought for my grot.

regardless of how it happens its just yet another thing happening RIGHT as im moving so i wont be able to enjoy it for awhile

 flandarz wrote:
If we don't get mono-Kultur buffs (and adjustments to our worst Kulturz), I'm gonna figure out who the CEO of GW is, buy a plane ticket to England, and kick him in the nuts.

You’re over hoping for PA book this isn’t a new codex.
I think ghaz will be good but expensive and closer to primarus points cost which makes him limited use but fun.
The marine changes and new strats and buffs will help us win more but marines are still very strong and likely an uphill win overall.
That first turn devastator doctrine alpha strike is crucial sometimes the game is literally over on turn 1 and turn 2-3 are just cleanup.
I’m hoping for the mega kff 3++ relic so my army survives turn 1 if I don’t get to go first. After that it’s usually eating overwatch and getting into assault and trying to out assault marines in thier assault doctrine phase. A bit of SAG and mekgun action to take out the big targets too.

I believe the Factions who've been in PA have all gotten some kind of Mono deal. But I might be wrong. I'd certainly say that's more likely than a 3++ KFF. Bit more realistic if it's a 4++.

Ghaz is already pretty huge and expensive. Dude is around 250 pts. Even if you could take him in any Kultur, that sort of investment already makes it hard to fit him into a list.

 flandarz wrote:
I believe the Factions who've been in PA have all gotten some kind of Mono deal. But I might be wrong. I'd certainly say that's more likely than a 3++ KFF. Bit more realistic if it's a 4++.

Ghaz is already pretty huge and expensive. Dude is around 250 pts. Even if you could take him in any Kultur, that sort of investment already makes it hard to fit him into a list.

sorry ya meant 4++ kff like the old relic

If he’s enough of a force multiplier we’ll find room. Imagine he gave all units within 6” re roll all hits...

 flandarz wrote:
I believe the Factions who've been in PA have all gotten some kind of Mono deal. But I might be wrong. I'd certainly say that's more likely than a 3++ KFF. Bit more realistic if it's a 4++.

Ghaz is already pretty huge and expensive. Dude is around 250 pts. Even if you could take him in any Kultur, that sort of investment already makes it hard to fit him into a list.

Marines got.

PRetty sure chaos didn't. Tyranids didn't. IG didn't. Tau didn't. Only ones who atm have rules discouraging soups are marines and sisters.

Mega Force Field and some high RoA, but User strength relic weapon are really all i can expect for ork relics.
The rest....no idea. Oh i can wishlist all day but GW has proven they dont think too deep for these things.

Worth noting that unless they either give us another strat or word the relic right the 4++ KFF wouldnt be able to use the 18" stratagem, as its technically an MFF (following old codex terminology).
Which would suck but understandable so we dont give 90% our army a 4++ turn1 lol

tneva82 wrote:

 flandarz wrote:
I believe the Factions who've been in PA have all gotten some kind of Mono deal. But I might be wrong. I'd certainly say that's more likely than a 3++ KFF. Bit more realistic if it's a 4++.

Ghaz is already pretty huge and expensive. Dude is around 250 pts. Even if you could take him in any Kultur, that sort of investment already makes it hard to fit him into a list.

Marines got.

PRetty sure chaos didn't. Tyranids didn't. IG didn't. Tau didn't. Only ones who atm have rules discouraging soups are marines and sisters.

Well, bollocks.

KFF go 4++ for 2 CP for 1 turn, it would be balanced.

If Ghazkghull is like Abaddon for BL or Guilliman for UM, he will have no spot in our list, I don't think there is a single reason for wasting 200-300 points in a very slow melee model with no +1 to charge/advance/move,opponent Will only have to stay out of his range and gg

What if Ghaz gets all the clans' different kultur benefits? That'd be pretty darn cool IMO, obviously he'd need other things as well but that alone would massively improve upon his statline

The reason why Gulliman has been disappearing is because UM are now running Calgar, who is a lot like Thrakka and Abbaddon.

Even so, depending on his rules, we still got the tellyporta rule and 'ere we go. There are worse ways to spend 235 points than on a 2+/4++ deep striker with a +1 attack aura that will probably murder anything he touches.
If he weren't goff-locked, he would see a lot more play in my lists. Then again, I keep bringing Da Red Gobbo along despite him being utterly worthless.

I just de-christmasified da red gobbo and placed him on an larger based on top of some rubble and use him as a warlord. I love the model so this way I get to use him a lot.

PiñaColada wrote:
I just de-christmasified da red gobbo and placed him on an larger based on top of some rubble and use him as a warlord. I love the model so this way I get to use him a lot.

I didn't. It sometimes leads to hilarious scenes, which are worth 30 points all by itself. From last game:

Uruk Thraka
Uruk Thraka
Uruk
Uruk
Uruk Thraka

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Hook on a feeling!!! I'm high on believing!!!

That there'll be news todaaaaaaaay!