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Also, movement trays can easily be printed and tbh if you're a big wargamer you really should have a printer anyway.
Not talking about printing models either. What literally talked me into getting one was "wait...i can print my terrain..." - prior to that thought i was just "oh its the new fancy tech you arent going to do anything practical with it"
ive since dumped quite a few bits of terrain at the local store and theyre used so much i have people asking me to make more lol. Crates especially are popular.

Ive seen the prices people want for trays. No thanks lol.

I use trays for Grots (mostly to remove them quicker).

I have trays for Boyz and I use them until it becomes time to charge.

I use GW's apoc trays, they work quite well, look good and are unexpectedly fairly priced. It speeds up moving orks and pox walkers so much, I wouldn't to miss them. When an assault comes up, you can either move the entire base into combat, or, if it matters, just move the models out.

For gretchin, I don't use trays, because it usually doesn't matter whether I move them accurately.

Yeah when rocking the boyz hordes I tend to run 20 in the trays with little blobs of bluetack to keep em stuck in, then 10 around the edges for fine manuvering and casualties not in units of 5. Makes things fairly fast. Sides, the ork horde is about attrition not finess.

In terms of the trays depth. are they deep enough to secure the model or is that one offender who got modeled leaning forward a bit too much and or is top heavy going to keep falling off the tray?

Without some weight underneath them, they fall out of it if you put too much angle on it, for example if one side is on a crate and the other isn't.

As long as they are flat on the ground, I had no issues with models falling out of them.

Maybe its because a lot of my ork bases are the slotted variety and are slightly smaller but the apoc templates dont hold 90% of them at all. They flop out when i attempt to move them.

Only time i ever use'm is in apoc games, since everything is strictly unit-wide so squeezing every boy into melee doesnt do anything.

This is second hand, so forgive me if anything is inaccurate.

From someone who saw the Ghaz profile.

1) 12 Wound Monster. NOT infantry.
2) Can only take at most 4 damage a phase. IE: You can shoot him for 4 wounds, then do 4 wounds in the fight phase.
3) Gun is 12 shots, -1 AP, D1.
4) Klaw is str x2, ap-4, D4.
5) Gains more attacks as he goes through his wound profile, apparently 7 attacks at the bottom tier.
6) Does not recall seeing if he is Goff locked.

Honestly, if this is true alone, the fact he's targetable, can't go into buildings, and is a monster probably makes him uncompetitive, if he stays at 235.

 Jidmah wrote:
I use GW's apoc trays, they work quite well, look good and are unexpectedly fairly priced. It speeds up moving orks and pox walkers so much, I wouldn't to miss them. When an assault comes up, you can either move the entire base into combat, or, if it matters, just move the models out.

For gretchin, I don't use trays, because it usually doesn't matter whether I move them accurately.

I got the Apoc trays after you suggested them previously in the thread. Bloody brilliant! Great recommendation there!

tulun wrote:
This is second hand, so forgive me if anything is inaccurate.

From someone who saw the Ghaz profile.

1) 12 Wound Monster. NOT infantry.
2) Can only take at most 4 damage a phase. IE: You can shoot him for 4 wounds, then do 4 wounds in the fight phase.
3) Gun is 12 shots, -1 AP, D1.
4) Klaw is str x2, ap-4, D4.
5) Gains more attacks as he goes through his wound profile, apparently 7 attacks at the bottom tier.
6) Does not recall seeing if he is Goff locked.

Honestly, if this is true alone, the fact he's targetable, can't go into buildings, and is a monster probably makes him uncompetitive, if he stays at 235.

If 2 is true (we will know soon), he would be almost unkillable if supported by a doc. 1d3 healeded per turn +1d3 with the medisquig.

tulun wrote:
This is second hand, so forgive me if anything is inaccurate.

From someone who saw the Ghaz profile.

1) 12 Wound Monster. NOT infantry.
2) Can only take at most 4 damage a phase. IE: You can shoot him for 4 wounds, then do 4 wounds in the fight phase.
3) Gun is 12 shots, -1 AP, D1.
4) Klaw is str x2, ap-4, D4.
5) Gains more attacks as he goes through his wound profile, apparently 7 attacks at the bottom tier.
6) Does not recall seeing if he is Goff locked.

Honestly, if this is true alone, the fact he's targetable, can't go into buildings, and is a monster probably makes him uncompetitive, if he stays at 235.

Hmmm. Max 4 damage a phase could be interesting. Problem is psychic phase can be quite damaging these days too. If he's T8 perhaps there's legs? Will have to see aura buffs and movement. The D4 damage klaw with up to 7 attacks is OK, but I'd expect something more. He needs more value add at his current price tag.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

tulun wrote:
This is second hand, so forgive me if anything is inaccurate.

From someone who saw the Ghaz profile.

1) 12 Wound Monster. NOT infantry.
2) Can only take at most 4 damage a phase. IE: You can shoot him for 4 wounds, then do 4 wounds in the fight phase.
3) Gun is 12 shots, -1 AP, D1.
4) Klaw is str x2, ap-4, D4.
5) Gains more attacks as he goes through his wound profile, apparently 7 attacks at the bottom tier.
6) Does not recall seeing if he is Goff locked.

Honestly, if this is true alone, the fact he's targetable, can't go into buildings, and is a monster probably makes him uncompetitive, if he stays at 235.

If 2 is true (we will know soon), he would be almost unkillable if supported by a doc. 1d3 healeded per turn +1d3 with the medisquig.

That is what I initially thought but docs can only heal infantry or bikers can’t they ?

Doesn't Morathi have that in AoS, you're only "allowed" to deal a certain amount of wounds to her every single turn? It's an odd solution and TBH is those are his stats it's probably pretty easy to just put 2 lascannons into him every shooting phase and then focus the rest of the firepower elsewhere.

Him getting stronger at the bottom tier is what I've suggested before and I actually like hat solution but it is another AoS thing so if this is true then they're muddying those lines between systems a bit.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:


If 2 is true (we will know soon), he would be almost unkillable if supported by a doc. 1d3 healeded per turn +1d3 with the medisquig.

It's max 4 damage a PHASE man, not turn. With 12W he could still be killed in 1 turn.

Thanks for sharing Tulum by the way!

Who is the source?

In any case, 4 damage per phase might be a winner here. Most armies that can do well in the psychic phase usually lack shooting or melee, and he'll most likely still be 2+/4++, so they have to work for those 4 damage.

Medi-squig can be used on any character (for example the wartrike), but docs are limited to infantry and bikes only.

"Not recalling seeing him goff locked" pretty much means that he didn't get any rule which unlocks him though...

 Jidmah wrote:
Who is the source?

In any case, 4 damage per phase might be a winner here. Most armies that can do well in the psychic phase usually lack shooting or melee, and he'll most likely still be 2+/4++, so they have to work for those 4 damage.

Medi-squig can be used on any character (for example the wartrike), but docs are limited to infantry and bikes only.

"Not recalling seeing him goff locked" pretty much means that he didn't get any rule which unlocks him though...

Hang fire on the Goff lock, GW surely wouldn't be that stupid and the source is completely unverified.

How does it work for shadowsun? Does she have a bespoke rule which unlocks her?

 Jidmah wrote:
How does it work for shadowsun? Does she have a bespoke rule which unlocks her?

Yea. She gets a 'this model does not break your detachment of 'blah Sept' but does not benefit from the 'blah Sept' rules either type job.

But isn't she still way more useful for one sept than the others? That's the criticism I've read, that while she's available to anyone she's still only really worth taking in her original sept

Yeah thought so - that's pretty hard to miss if you manged to pick up everything else. So either the rumor is BS or he remains goff locked.

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah thought so - that's pretty hard to miss if you manged to pick up everything else. So either the rumor is BS or he remains goff locked.

I don't know. Could be bs. Could just be they only saw a snippet. I mean we don't have toughness or any other stats than wounds. We have no aura abilities.

Unless Ghaz' can reliably dish out similar damage to other targetable characters or unless he has some insane buffs he will never see play. He's not going to be a psyker which already limits his potential usefulness. Monster doesn't help (and I think this is likely, given his size).

To be honest I'm fully expecting Ghaz' to be worse than his current iteration. GW aren't great at their balancing of Ork units. He will sell regardles though, the model is just too good.

His damage isn't terrible though. With his 5+1 attacks and the rumored klaw he would already be in daemon primarch territory, and he can be buffed with fists of gork independently of his keywords. Same is true for orks is never beaten and the tellyporta. We would be losing out on fighting twice though, but I have never needed that with the current Ghaz, I doubt we would need it often for the new one.

Giving him the monster keyword is just the sort of thing they'd do.

A 4 wound per phase limit seems unlikely unless he's specifically carved out from the tellyporta strat...a model with that sort of damage limitation that you can start off the table and drop into combat with a ~60% success chance seems really problematic.

 Jidmah wrote:
Who is the source?

Acquaintance I know. Friend of a friend (part of a local group chat on Facebook I'm in). Claims someone showed him a preview of the book, wasn't allowed to take a picture, though.

Medisquig is a good point. I think you'd have to feed him wounds in this fashion, as I can't imagine he's more than M6 (Deff Dreads are M6). If they aren't heading right for you, slogging might be a turn 3 charge, and that's with aggressive placement.

Tellyporta might be good, but that's a lot to bank on getting that charge. With this supposed statline, he's probably at LEAST his current cost.


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If Makari is an HQ and both are Goff locked, maybe this will create the Ghaz 32.

If Makari is like 30 points, and he actually improves the morale of those 30 grots to LD6, I could see that not being terrible. Make decent objective campers and you don't lose out on Ghaz's kultur.

LD 6 does nothing for gretchin. I frequently run da red gobbo who also has that aura. It might have saved two or three gretchin across ten games, but no more.

Let's home he doesn't have a "takes no slot" rule, then 30+235 might actually be a decent investment for an HQ slot.

I'm gonna take this leak with a grain of salt. Friend of a friend who has no physical evidence to back up their claim is right in "my uncle who works for Nintendo told me there's a code to give Link a gun in Zelda" territory. These sorts of things are exactly what gets a rumor mill going: a fairly plausible "leak" from an unverified source.

That said, assuming all this is true, I'd like to see Ghaz get better in every way as he goes down the Wound brackets, not just in attacks. A sort of thing where, as he's injured, he gradually loses his cockiness and starts to take the fight seriously.

Also, assuming he loses his Goff lock is able to be a Warlord, would he still be locked into the Goff Trait?

He's a named character and those guys have set warlord traits so I assume he'd still be locked into a specific one. However, they might change the one he's locked into I suppose..

I doubt it would be any other one than the Goff Warlord trait though, which is essentially just +1 attack

Yeah, especially if his klaw is indeed AP-4 now (which it really should be IMO)

PiñaColada wrote:
Yeah, especially if his klaw is indeed AP-4 now (which it really should be IMO)

Which already was because of his warlord trait (mind it was FAQed).