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Unfortunately I don't believe that the KJ on the boomdakka is a typo, I wouldn't be surprised at all if GW thinks +6 shots and +6" range is worth dropping 1S, 1AP and 1CP on.

 Emicrania wrote:
The only way the Stompa is """playable""" Is in a supreme ES or BM detachment

Da biggest and da best list:


No need to worry about degrading when you got +2 to hit and are re-rolling ones


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 Emicrania wrote:
I really like this list and is very close to one I was tinkering yesterday. What would you use instead of Lootas for a long ranger platform? Smashaguns?

Don't know, high strength, high AP isn't exactly what I'm lacking. Probably going to bring the napalm air wing now. Or maybe more buggies or koptas. Mek guns in general would fit the list quite well, but I don't own any.

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Ps. Guys stay safe out there.

We moved our game to TTS today. Steep learning curve, but better than spreading nurgle's rot.

You forgot the Burna Boyz.


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And Kanz.

the problem im running into is ork lists are probably going to have to go one of two ways: mech or inf. Considering how expensive boys are and how easily you die, you need to take at min 90(630 points) and then fill the rest of 3xbat with grots, which is at a min of 180 points (brings the total cost of inf to 810. Add in the 6 HQ tax and you're only left with about ~700 points of flavor. doesn't really feel like much points to allocate to mech that isn't super potent outside of the da boomer wagon (if it can double shoot). So I'm guessing we're either going to go with our classic builds or some list committed to mech , as far as being competitive goes. I just find it hard that an ork mech list would be a high tier contender in the ITC. None of them scream efficient even with the KJs

The buggies are a better bet than the bigger vehicles IMO.

yukishiro1 wrote:
The buggies are a better bet than the bigger vehicles IMO.

idk tbh. the only ones that are decent are the sjd and msj. the KJ and strat for SJD is nice, but at the end of the day the strat only affects one model and you're still paying 100 points for 2 shots at bs4 and the other two that arent getting back into cover are fairly easy to kill as well. the KJ for MSJ is fairly nice, but yeah, getting into melee isn't a priority. Buggies just seem half-baked to me. none of them have any crazy output or durability, yet you're not paying throw-away points for them.

Can we have a glossary added to the OP with all of these acronyms?

Thayme wrote:
Can we have a glossary added to the OP with all of these acronyms?

Apparently dakka mods no longer do that, tried multiple times. Then again MSJ and KJ aren't exactly the commonly used. I see no need for an abbreviation of scrapjet, snazzwagon or kustom job.


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GreenTidePackers wrote:
the problem im running into is ork lists are probably going to have to go one of two ways: mech or inf. Considering how expensive boys are and how easily you die, you need to take at min 90(630 points) and then fill the rest of 3xbat with grots, which is at a min of 180 points (brings the total cost of inf to 810. Add in the 6 HQ tax and you're only left with about ~700 points of flavor. doesn't really feel like much points to allocate to mech that isn't super potent outside of the da boomer wagon (if it can double shoot). So I'm guessing we're either going to go with our classic builds or some list committed to mech , as far as being competitive goes. I just find it hard that an ork mech list would be a high tier contender in the ITC. None of them scream efficient even with the KJs

If you are going mech, you have no other option but to drop boyz. There is no synergy between them and any vehicles.

Jidmah wrote:
If you are going mech, you have no other option but to drop boyz. There is no synergy between them and any vehicles.

Question for me is if triple bat will be required for mech just for the extra CP.

Prior, it was nice to take a 1 CP detachment to save on the HQ/ grot tax.

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Jidmhah wrote:

If you are going mech, you have no other option but to drop boyz. There is no synergy between them and any vehicles.

I guess then my follow up would be, how does a full mech list compete in the itc. how are they surviving/controling the board/ etc. (ITC purposes)

 Jidmah wrote:
If you are going mech, you have no other option but to drop boyz. There is no synergy between them and any vehicles.

Indeed, and this is the entire problem of attempting the Evil Sunz psychic power on a Gork/Morkanaut - it's unlikely you have 30 ORK bodies nearby to get the +3 to cast and rolling a 9 with a +1 or less isn't something I want to base a strategy around. More why I'm leaning to Gunwagons, if and only if they can periscope their Boomers. Without that they are unfortunately not good enough.

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Indeed, and this is the entire problem of attempting the Evil Sunz psychic power on a Gork/Morkanaut - it's unlikely you have 30 ORK bodies nearby to get the +3 to cast and rolling a 9 with a +1 or less isn't something I want to base a strategy around. More why I'm leaning to Gunwagons, if and only if they can periscope their Boomers. Without that they are unfortunately not good enough.

If da boomer doesn’t get periscope, will you bother with visions?

I’m considering an air wing of pyromaniac Burna-Bommers in my comp list what do you guys think?

So, we got some sort of racist force field that doesn't protect orks from other clans.
RFF Big Mek: "Ye gitz not green enuff".

Drdotts wrote:
I’m considering an air wing of pyromaniac Burna-Bommers in my comp list what do you guys think?

If you ever have an issue with single wound high save units then yes, Burna-Bommers are wonderful. Your opponent takes some big meaty units of deathwatch marines with all the trimmings? Suddenly they have less than a third of that and all their support characters are wounded. But besides that rather powerful niche a mix of the other planes with one suicide burna-bomma may have the most killing power.

 TedNugent wrote:
Please post the battle report results

To our earlier point, please let me know how the warbikers and Deffkoptas turn out, and if you use the strategem. I'd also be fascinated to see if the new Big Mek W/ KFF is any good with the new rules formula, and the new buggies w/ strategems, if you choose to use them.

Sadly, we had to end the game after turn one, since we struggled a lot with the beast that is Tabletop Simulator. The good news is, we could just save the game and will continue at some time in the future.
I also didn't use the new book yet, because getting TTS to run adds vast amount of complexity by itself.

Games was vs necrons, Four Pillars, long side wedges, I went first.

I think T1 ran pretty well for me, warbikers tied down a unit of wraiths to keep them away from my stuff and tagged a unit of immortals and scarabs while doing so. They actually killed four wraiths, but two got better
(deff skull) Lootas destroyed two doom scythes with just moar dakka, SSAG degraded a doomsday arc, a unit of immortals barely survived getting shot and charged by the trike.

In his turn, after running my mouth about never losing lootas T1, he blasted my lootas off the board, including three units worth of grot shield. Fething tesla immortals.
My Morkanaut was truely blessed by Mork. The doomsday ark, the last remaining doom scythe, and some other high damage shots bounced off him, remaining at 18 wounds.
My wartrike just barely survives getting shot by warriors and Imotekh, staying at 2 wounds. Imothekh tries to finish the job but takes a killajet to the face and dies. Hilariously, this is the sixth time his Imotekh dies from Overwatch in a game against me. He picks him back up with a stratagem.
I also successfully baited a destroyer lord with relic scythe to charge and kill my weird boy. The lord is now sitting right in front of my Morkanaut and a bunch of gretchin.
Obviously, my warbikers were wiped out by the four wraiths, but they did their job by preventing them and the scarabs from moving up the board and locked down one unit of immortals in the process.

As he blasted my gretchin off one objective, we both held one and neither got VP. He killed 4 and I killed 2, so it's 2:1 for the Necrons right now.

We both agreed that TTS is a major pain in the rear, and that playing with real miniatures is not only easier, but also more fun. But it is better than not playing or spreading nurgle's rot.

I feel like the new book would have made a huge difference. BS4+ on the naut, +1S for warbikers to wound both the wraiths and the immortals on higher rolls, deff skulls psychic power and gorks roar for the wartrike would already have had more of impact than grot shields and moar dakka on the lootas. If I can replace those with two kustomized gunwagons, I'm going to be a happy camper.

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cody.d. wrote:

Drdotts wrote:
I’m considering an air wing of pyromaniac Burna-Bommers in my comp list what do you guys think?

If you ever have an issue with single wound high save units then yes, Burna-Bommers are wonderful. Your opponent takes some big meaty units of deathwatch marines with all the trimmings? Suddenly they have less than a third of that and all their support characters are wounded. But besides that rather powerful niche a mix of the other planes with one suicide burna-bomma may have the most killing power.

Burna bommers are also decent against primaris units and scouts trying to block your movement as well. pyromaniac bommers are pretty likely to kill two primaris out of a unit of five, and if someone is trying to maximize the use of stratagems, there are units of 10 around as well. Last but not least, dropping a bomb to kill one eliminator is not the worst thing to do.

The utility of being able to deal mortal wounds in the movement phase is not to be underestimate.

tulun wrote:

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Indeed, and this is the entire problem of attempting the Evil Sunz psychic power on a Gork/Morkanaut - it's unlikely you have 30 ORK bodies nearby to get the +3 to cast and rolling a 9 with a +1 or less isn't something I want to base a strategy around. More why I'm leaning to Gunwagons, if and only if they can periscope their Boomers. Without that they are unfortunately not good enough.

If da boomer doesn’t get periscope, will you bother with visions?

I certainly wouldn't think so, I mean I might try it but I'm guessing it's quite underwhelming at least for players such as AAE and myself who like to run pure speed freeks. If it doesn't work with the periscope (which would be crazy because then it's basically the same as a normal killkannon) I might try it in a boomboys detachment with some rokkit koptas and a deepstriking trukk with tankbustas once or twice but I imagine it's not worth it.

cody.d. wrote:

Drdotts wrote:
I’m considering an air wing of pyromaniac Burna-Bommers in my comp list what do you guys think?

If you ever have an issue with single wound high save units then yes, Burna-Bommers are wonderful. Your opponent takes some big meaty units of deathwatch marines with all the trimmings? Suddenly they have less than a third of that and all their support characters are wounded. But besides that rather powerful niche a mix of the other planes with one suicide burna-bomma may have the most killing power.

Honestly, I've been using burna-bommas to pretty decent effect against all these frickin' paladin horde lists I've been forced to meet in recent days. Those guys can be so super buffed that getting 5-6MWs (meaning a paladin and change or two paladins dead) is almost as much as the shooting phase itself. Getting a pyromaniaks airwing with burnabommas would obliterate those guys, especially if you're willing to flyin' 'eadbutt with one T1 if the opponent has placed the unit at an angle you'd have to fly off the board T2 after bommin' anyways.

tulun wrote:

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Indeed, and this is the entire problem of attempting the Evil Sunz psychic power on a Gork/Morkanaut - it's unlikely you have 30 ORK bodies nearby to get the +3 to cast and rolling a 9 with a +1 or less isn't something I want to base a strategy around. More why I'm leaning to Gunwagons, if and only if they can periscope their Boomers. Without that they are unfortunately not good enough.

If da boomer doesn’t get periscope, will you bother with visions?

No. I wouldn't take da boomer either since it'd be roughly equivalent to taking a standard periscope Killkannon.

Wouldn't be surprised if GW ruled this way actually.

With every new release I am more and more certain that GW does not have an Ork player on their rule writing team. KFFMek, Ghaz', Makari, Souped up Sheshul, da boomer and periscope interaction, Zhadsnark still not giving waaaaagh to bikers and other odd things just leave me thinking they don't read the Ork rules in all that detail.

GW approaching orks with a "these work like marines, right?"-mentality isn't exactly something new


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Jidmhah wrote:

If you are going mech, you have no other option but to drop boyz. There is no synergy between them and any vehicles.

I guess then my follow up would be, how does a full mech list compete in the itc. how are they surviving/controling the board/ etc. (ITC purposes)

Don't know about ITC, especially not about their current incarnation. In CA mission, control the board by using kult of speed warbikers supported by wartrike and/or warboss for first turn charges, and then tagging stuff with buggies, koptas or the wartrike after the bikes have been spent. Eventually, you will run out of vehicles, but at that time your opponent should have lost most of his options and gretchin should have secured you a VP lead you can win the game off.
If your opponent is heavily invested in melee, you use the gretchin as a screen instead and devastate them with shooting and counter-charges.


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BTW: 40KFAQ@gwplc.com is the email address to send questions to. Make some noise!

tulun wrote:


1) Does the Gunwagon with the new Kustom Job get to use it with Periscope? (My guess is yes, but RAW it's no right now)

If you get extremely asinine about it, no it can't. RAI is beyond obvious though (the kind of "If I met an opponent who wouldn't let me use Periscope with Da Boomer I'd pack up my models and leave" obvious).

Isn't there a FAQ regarding replacing weapons with relics somewhere? I remember there being one, but I can't find it. Might be army-specific, too.

6 flash gits on a trukk Vs 8 lootas and a klever spanner on a truck.

Flash 18s s6 -2 d2 hitting on 4+ at 24" (kaptain and reroll gretichin)
Lootas 8/16/24 s7 -1 d2 hitting on 5+ at 48" (1 kmb at 24").

148 vs 152 +1cp
(+64 of the trukk both).

They look very even on my book.

 Jidmah wrote:
Isn't there a FAQ regarding replacing weapons with relics somewhere? I remember there being one, but I can't find it. Might be army-specific, too.

It's possible. First time I've seen a question like this pop up though. I always assumed that relics that replace a weapon have the same rules as the weapon they replace besides the new profile and any explicit additional rules said profile provides. So from my POV Da Boomer still has the Killkannon "keyword" and thus can be used with Periscope.

Only exception I've ever seen is that the Contorted Epitome can't use it's 8 additional attacks with the Slothful Claws relic. Which was done for pure balance reasons because the Contorted Epitome would have double the amount of a normal Herald of Slaanesh with the Slothful Claws (the intended target of the relic. Contorted Epitome came out long after the Chaos Daemon codex and thus could not be taken into consideration when writing the rules for the Slothful Claws. So in this case I feel it's justified). This situation is completely different though. Gunwagons and Periscope were available long before the rules for Da Boomer were written and therefore one should assume they were taken into account when deciding how powerful it should be.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
The only way the Stompa is """playable""" Is in a supreme ES or BM detachment

Da biggest and da best list:

Spoiler:

Supreme Command(Goff)
Ghazghkull Thrakka
Makari
Deffkilla Wartrike /w Da Lukky Stikk
Nob with Waaagh Banner
Stompa (Mork's One, Tezdreks Stompa Power Field, Blitza-Gatler, 3 rokkits)

Battlaion(Deff Skulls)
SSAG
Kaptin' Badrukk
Mad Dok Grotznik
3x10 Gretchin

Battlaion(Deff Skulls)
SAG
SAG
3x10 Gretchin

No need to worry about degrading when you got +2 to hit and are re-rolling ones

Somewhere, sometimes, someone will run this list and the reality will fold onto itself...


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 Emicrania wrote:
I really like this list and is very close to one I was tinkering yesterday. What would you use instead of Lootas for a long ranger platform? Smashaguns?

Don't know, high strength, high AP isn't exactly what I'm lacking. Probably going to bring the napalm air wing now. Or maybe more buggies or koptas. Mek guns in general would fit the list quite well, but I don't own any.

I was thinking this, airwing pyromaniac and 6/8 CP pregame, depending if you wanna DS the morkanaut or not. 2 Specialist detachment, 1 extra relic, 1 on warboss, 1 on mek, 1 on SJD. This leaves you with 8 CP to do fun stuff.

If you have really run out of videogames you like then yes, play TTS. It is so unwieldy though... I would love a TTS new version much smoother, but hey can't be easy to develop that sort of simulation thing

If the 2week faq says dabooma doesnt work with periscope that is such a middle finger to orks. Finally give us something that is amazing on an otherwise total trash unit and oh wait no you cant do that actually.

I thought from initial reviews the subcultures were on a unit by unit basis, which would have been awesome. Trade the deathskull tag on a unit in a deathskullz detachment to be boombox or the grot kulture. That would have been awesome.
But the entire detachment? I cant even think of how to use any except Tinheads without having a massive drawback of lack of cp for a nonbatt or units that are utterly worthless because of that subculture replacing the normal tag. Not to mention this makes using named characters and the new spells even harder. Wtf gw lol so close to amazing its hilarious.

Soooooo many vehicle lists are gonna pop up now. Almost all of those custom jobs are sexy as hell.

 Emicrania wrote:
I was thinking this, airwing pyromaniac and 6/8 CP pregame, depending if you wanna DS the morkanaut or not. 2 Specialist detachment, 1 extra relic, 1 on warboss, 1 on mek, 1 on SJD. This leaves you with 8 CP to do fun stuff.

The naut is there to draw fire and provide KFF coverage, plus some anti-tank shots when going first. Putting it in reserve doesn't actually help the army at all. It's also survives T1 surprisingly often in the face of easier to kill buggies everywhere and bikers in their face.
You'd also want to make the warboss a big boss.
Single koptas don't really do anything, I'd just drop them and downgrade the MA mek for another buggy.


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
If the 2week faq says dabooma doesnt work with periscope that is such a middle finger to orks. Finally give us something that is amazing on an otherwise total trash unit and oh wait no you cant do that actually.

I fully expect that to happen though. It has always been that way.

 Jidmah wrote:

I fully expect that to happen though. It has always been that way.

Yeah I'm afraid of this as well. It's not useless on a regular battlewagon, as it technically doubles its output.

Not enough to actually use it, of course.

Like the rule in the subkultur for +1 str / AP specifically names Da Boomer. If it was just an "upgraded killkannon" from their POV, why bother mentioning it?

The same people that created the rest of this book also presumably created that embarrassment of a KFF Mek datasheet that is messed up in practically every possible way. I wouldn't assume anything regarding what they intended or didn't intend. It's like trying to interpret a five year old's splash of paint on a paper.

When I wrote my mail to GW I pasted both versions of the rule in there.
In direct comparison, the new rule really reads like someone was trying to write the rule from memory to do it properly later but never came around to fix it.