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 Emicrania wrote:


Green tide would been a surprise. My bet is on a veichle heavy or a MANz heavy + Lootas/FG or a mix of 3 planes + 18 Smashaguns + infantry.

You know what sucks the most ?
I love the model. Is just exactly what I wanted him to look like, maybe not the pose but people are already fixing it.
Is just the rules are SO limiting that anything is better than him. Still he will see play.
Hell I LL proxy him asap as soon this mess is over

100% with you. Ghaz is probably in the running for the best model they've made.

It would be nice if there was a way of fielding him without feeling like you're just gimping yourself.

 Emicrania wrote:
Because WAAAGH works on infantry only, unfortunately.

But he can still advance or charge like a normal unit can he not?

 Haasbioroid wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Because WAAAGH works on infantry only, unfortunately.

But he can still advance or charge like a normal unit can he not?

Yes, but the Waaagh! aura of warbosses and wartrakks usually allows orks to do both, giving them a speed boost to cross the last few inches.


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 Emicrania wrote:
I love the model. Is just exactly what I wanted him to look like, maybe not the pose but people are already fixing it.

I'm currently building him, the alternative pose is much better, and he has no problems standing on his own without the scrap metal base decoration. You can just have him stand on his base with weapons to his side and no "dynamic posing" whatsoever.
I also left off those bullet casings flying out of Mork's Roar, since I'm going to break them off eventually anyways.

tulun wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:


Green tide would been a surprise. My bet is on a veichle heavy or a MANz heavy + Lootas/FG or a mix of 3 planes + 18 Smashaguns + infantry.

You know what sucks the most ?
I love the model. Is just exactly what I wanted him to look like, maybe not the pose but people are already fixing it.
Is just the rules are SO limiting that anything is better than him. Still he will see play.
Hell I LL proxy him asap as soon this mess is over

100% with you. Ghaz is probably in the running for the best model they've made.

It would be nice if there was a way of fielding him without feeling like you're just gimping yourself.

If they'd fix at least the WAAAGH that would do something.

Jidmah wrote:

 Haasbioroid wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Because WAAAGH works on infantry only, unfortunately.

But he can still advance or charge like a normal unit can he not?

Yes, but the Waaagh! aura of warbosses and wartrakks usually allows orks to do both, giving them a speed boost to cross the last few inches.


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 Emicrania wrote:
I love the model. Is just exactly what I wanted him to look like, maybe not the pose but people are already fixing it.

I'm currently building him, the alternative pose is much better, and he has no problems standing on his own without the scrap metal base decoration. You can just have him stand on his base with weapons to his side and no "dynamic posing" whatsoever.
I also left off those bullet casings flying out of Mork's Roar, since I'm going to break them off eventually anyways.

I honestly never use those casing. They break ALWAYS.
How big you reckon he is? Kills kan size or deff dredd?

 Emicrania wrote:
How big you reckon he is? Kills kan size or deff dredd?

See below. If you want, I can take a picture next to a kan and deff dread tomorrow. Makari is about he size of a regular grot, and on a 28mm base.

i am super envious you got that model already...
Quarantine sucks.

Its such a massively beautiful model that even if its rules suck it'll see play lol.

So i was experimenting today with how competitive Ghaz is against my current narrative campaign list. I decided to screw around a bit and gave the +1BS upgrade to my Morkanaut for snitz and giggles.....

I am probably playing this wrong, but I was playing freebootas and killed an enemy unit with my mek gunz which procs the bonus which meant my Morkanaut was hitting on 3s.....Talk about fething scary!

Ohh, and Ghaz never lived past 2nd turn assault phase and never once managed to actually hit anyone except with his ranged weapon.

SemperMortis wrote:
So i was experimenting today with how competitive Ghaz is against my current narrative campaign list. I decided to screw around a bit and gave the +1BS upgrade to my Morkanaut for snitz and giggles.....

I am probably playing this wrong, but I was playing freebootas and killed an enemy unit with my mek gunz which procs the bonus which meant my Morkanaut was hitting on 3s.....Talk about fething scary!

Ohh, and Ghaz never lived past 2nd turn assault phase and never once managed to actually hit anyone except with his ranged weapon.

Nope, you played it right, Freebootaz morka hits on 3s and can be procced by the mek gunz

 Swampmist wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
So i was experimenting today with how competitive Ghaz is against my current narrative campaign list. I decided to screw around a bit and gave the +1BS upgrade to my Morkanaut for snitz and giggles.....

I am probably playing this wrong, but I was playing freebootas and killed an enemy unit with my mek gunz which procs the bonus which meant my Morkanaut was hitting on 3s.....Talk about fething scary!

Ohh, and Ghaz never lived past 2nd turn assault phase and never once managed to actually hit anyone except with his ranged weapon.

Nope, you played it right, Freebootaz morka hits on 3s and can be procced by the mek gunz

I think my friends in the narrative campaign are going to be a bit salty when turn 1 my Morkanaut and my Big Mek with SSAG are hitting on 3s (Big mek has a campaign buff which increases his baseline BS by +1)

At the moment the games are 1k each with the attacker of a planet getting an extra 250pts but the defender getting all advantages on where terrain and setup.

SemperMortis wrote:
So i was experimenting today with how competitive Ghaz is against my current narrative campaign list. I decided to screw around a bit and gave the +1BS upgrade to my Morkanaut for snitz and giggles.....

I am probably playing this wrong, but I was playing freebootas and killed an enemy unit with my mek gunz which procs the bonus which meant my Morkanaut was hitting on 3s.....Talk about fething scary!

Ohh, and Ghaz never lived past 2nd turn assault phase and never once managed to actually hit anyone except with his ranged weapon.

And then you use the Dreadmob Kustom ammo stratagem to fire all of his dakka again! Also works decently with the slug gubbins Gorkanaught.

But yeah, I think Freebootaz has a bit of potential at the moment, will be modifying my three naught list, maybe switch out the second gork for some of the gunwagons.

cody.d. wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
So i was experimenting today with how competitive Ghaz is against my current narrative campaign list. I decided to screw around a bit and gave the +1BS upgrade to my Morkanaut for snitz and giggles.....

I am probably playing this wrong, but I was playing freebootas and killed an enemy unit with my mek gunz which procs the bonus which meant my Morkanaut was hitting on 3s.....Talk about fething scary!

Ohh, and Ghaz never lived past 2nd turn assault phase and never once managed to actually hit anyone except with his ranged weapon.

And then you use the Dreadmob Kustom ammo stratagem to fire all of his dakka again! Also works decently with the slug gubbins Gorkanaught.

But yeah, I think Freebootaz has a bit of potential at the moment, will be modifying my three naught list, maybe switch out the second gork for some of the gunwagons.

I started messing around with full freebootaz today; Looking at brigade (mostly for cp)+flyer wing.

It's probably one of my fave list styles at the moment. But it does really beg for an all in approach. Either have most of your army Freebootaz or it's sorta wasted. Upon saying that i'm toying with the idea of 2 grot detachments, maybe have a few smasha guns to soften things up, then throw the gunwagon with it's auto hitting zapzap to finish off a weakened unit. Trying to push in a burna bommba to likewise weaken some units, wound some characters etc etc.

cody.d. wrote:
It's probably one of my fave list styles at the moment. But it does really beg for an all in approach. Either have most of your army Freebootaz or it's sorta wasted. Upon saying that i'm toying with the idea of 2 grot detachments, maybe have a few smasha guns to soften things up, then throw the gunwagon with it's auto hitting zapzap to finish off a weakened unit. Trying to push in a burna bommba to likewise weaken some units, wound some characters etc etc.

I honestly think a flyer wing of pyromaniac burna bombas is a legit detachment in basically any ork list. I'm looking at Wazboom+double Dakkajet tho, to try and have some "reach and out poke" threat at softer units to proc the buff with.

Maybe, but multiple bommas of any sort feels sort of niche. With MSU or horde being the 2 ends of the spectrum there's only a handful of targets a bomma can really shine outside of it's flaming explosive headbutt.

Maybe, but getting to 3s to mortal means there's a lot more value in just getting 10 dice, even against a horde. 3 bommas flying over 30 boyz is gonna kill quite a few.

But is that points efficient? Surely any unit that can be taken in sizes greater than 10 would be flimsy enough to drop to either shoota boyz or a dakka jet. Don't get me wrong. If the opponent rocks up with a few units of stormshield deathwatch you'll be laughing your ass to the bank, but most other targets those mortal wounds will feel kinda meh.

Honestly I'm looking at them for grey knight paladins specifically, who tend to come in units of 10. But yeah, I think if you include all of their shooting on top they probably come out to reasonably points efficient

Hoping to see some GK in the next tourney I go to every month or so. Would be interesting to see how well they function and how well orks do against their various shenanigans.

They are very strong, and very hard to beat.

I played Freeboterz ad nothing but freeboterz for 6 months last year. Is not that easy to proc that +1, let me tell you.
And if you miss, you are playing klanless for a turn, wich sucks hard.

Anyone feel that we have all the tools to be competitive now on a meta level?

We have a way to semi spam MW with Weirdboys and Burna Bombers. We now have a fair few ways to take on heavy armour. Horde has never been an issue particularly. We can even tailor our army at the game start with kustom jobs, which is huge.

Not saying we're going to be top tier competitive for certain but we definitely have answers to a lot of questions the meta lists ask I think. It'll be interesting to see what happens but I reckon we've got a real solid chance to be one of the best factions out there, with all our tricks and shenanigans from the dex and Saga of the Wolf. My Orky brain is spinning here with all the potential combos that might not be 'possessed bomb' level destructive but will irritate opponents no end.

cody.d. wrote:
It's probably one of my fave list styles at the moment. But it does really beg for an all in approach. Either have most of your army Freebootaz or it's sorta wasted. Upon saying that i'm toying with the idea of 2 grot detachments, maybe have a few smasha guns to soften things up, then throw the gunwagon with it's auto hitting zapzap to finish off a weakened unit. Trying to push in a burna bommba to likewise weaken some units, wound some characters etc etc.

Freebootas are kind of an all or nothing army like you said, and those grot detachments, while alluring are a trap unless they either change the rules for the subkultures OR they allow you to keep the keyword for the kulture just not the benefits. IE you can't get the +1 to hit but you can still proc it since you are still a freeboota. my first thought upon seeing the grot rules was "My mek guns are going to get even better!" but if they can't proc the +1 to hit for everything else its kind of a waste, and while rerolling 1s is good for them, its not game breaking. 1/6th chance to get a 1/2 chance to hit. likewise the invuln isn't that amazing either, at most its going to be annoying to my opponents, but generally, when they want a mek gun dead...it dies.

At the moment in my Freeboota list i use mek gunz to pick off weak units to proc the +1 to hit. If my opponent brings a flimsy walker or a rhino or weak transport i'll pop it. otherwise I rely on my scrapjets using their big shootas to gun down light infantry.

 Emicrania wrote:
I played Freeboterz ad nothing but freeboterz for 6 months last year. Is not that easy to proc that +1, let me tell you.
And if you miss, you are playing klanless for a turn, wich sucks hard.

I don't know. I haven't had too much of a hard time getting that +1 to proc. Sometimes its better to overkill something to get that +1 and get better chance of killing other things. But against certain armies....absolutely.


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Ohh, and I will be utilizing the Corkscrew buff next time i play. My Scrapjets love getting into CC with weak opponents.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
How big you reckon he is? Kills kan size or deff dredd?

See below. If you want, I can take a picture next to a kan and deff dread tomorrow. Makari is about he size of a regular grot, and on a 28mm base.

Holy cannoli that´s big! Yes please, I want to be accurate with my proxy.

i feel like until i get the actual model i could easily proxy this as ghaz...



Like...10 years ago a friend threw a then-useless hellbrute at me and said "orkify it" so i did lol. So disturbingly crude as i was just getting into the hobby, ive been toying the idea of stripping the paint and rebuilding the gun for awhile.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone feel that we have all the tools to be competitive now on a meta level?

We have a way to semi spam MW with Weirdboys and Burna Bombers. We now have a fair few ways to take on heavy armour. Horde has never been an issue particularly. We can even tailor our army at the game start with kustom jobs, which is huge.

Not saying we're going to be top tier competitive for certain but we definitely have answers to a lot of questions the meta lists ask I think. It'll be interesting to see what happens but I reckon we've got a real solid chance to be one of the best factions out there, with all our tricks and shenanigans from the dex and Saga of the Wolf. My Orky brain is spinning here with all the potential combos that might not be 'possessed bomb' level destructive but will irritate opponents no end.

I definitely believe orks have the very real chance to compete, though I believe doing so will be more similar to chaos than marines\gk\ect. We have a lot of builds imo, but each answers a different part of the meta's skews. its gonna take time and iteration to find the best tools for each job, and to build the most effective list with said tools.

Saying all this, I think orks have the chance to be incredibly strong in a Team environment, where the breadth of tools and builds can be tailored to a specific job.

 Swampmist wrote:

I definitely believe orks have the very real chance to compete, though I believe doing so will be more similar to chaos than marines\gk\ect. We have a lot of builds imo, but each answers a different part of the meta's skews. its gonna take time and iteration to find the best tools for each job, and to build the most effective list with said tools.

Saying all this, I think orks have the chance to be incredibly strong in a Team environment, where the breadth of tools and builds can be tailored to a specific job.

Yeah I think it largely depends on the meta. Space Marines losing representation should help, but RG is still probably top dog, and Centurion spam smashes Orks. Eldar flyers seems to be making a comeback too, but I'm not sure that list is that bad for us.

The main problem I see is that the current green tide list doesn't mesh that well with planes -- if you go first, sure, they'll be annoying, but hiding them will be difficult, and if they are the only vehicles on the table, they won't last if you go second.

Can we really afford to mix vehicles and light infantry will be the question, as that does break a basic tenant of list building. I'm not sure Orks can win ITC with a vehicle spam at this time, but maybe I'm wrong.

Eldar planes have never been that bad for orks because anything more than a -1 to hit is usually wasted, and they really don't do much to horde infantry anyway. If you run green tide you can usually just let all the planes shoot you the whole game and still comfortably win on objectives if you table to the rest of the army.

I guess it might actually be worse now if people start going in on the BS4 stuff in a vehicle-heavy list.

 Emicrania wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
How big you reckon he is? Kills kan size or deff dredd?

See below. If you want, I can take a picture next to a kan and deff dread tomorrow. Makari is about he size of a regular grot, and on a 28mm base.

Holy cannoli that´s big! Yes please, I want to be accurate with my proxy.

Here you go - the bases are aligned so the middle of each is on a single line.
Funny enough, the ork inside that huge armor doesn't seem to be much bigger than the AOBR boss.

That's one certified big boi! But it's good to know that if you wanted to proxy him a deff dread wouldn't be too far off it seems.. Is he on an 80 or 90mm base?

Looks bigger to me. Given he has 4 more wounds, that makes sense.