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 Jidmah wrote:

tulun wrote:
Gorks roar should probably go (I imagine it's fine, but you gotta make cuts)

Actually, I'd rather cut the boomer than the roar. The additional range had already made a difference in that short game twice, and the flat 6 shots on the skorcha profile is a pretty terrifying overwatch - neither the guardsman nor the sentinel dared to charge it, which would have taken it out of the game. If you do take a wartrike, gork's roar is mandatory IMO..

So you wanna drop the gun wagon? 155 points is enough for 30 Grots and a weirdboy. Might resolve your CP issue instantly.

Probably, but, I'd rather have more shooting in there though. Maybe I'll finally shell out of a unit of mek guns, or get two more SJD/scrap jets.

 Jidmah wrote:
Probably, but, I'd rather have more shooting in there though. Maybe I'll finally shell out of a unit of mek guns, or get two more SJD/scrap jets.

Toys or CP. Part of the fun right?

Minor rant on Saga: A lot of these abilities we have to pay for should come BAKED IN without costing CP.

Hell if I know why the Wartrike doesn't have a normal 12" melta, or the SJD's ability should have been consistent at the cost of risk of mortal wounds, and the warboss should have an innate way of being a badass.

At least we got a fix, but man alive, it's rough "fixing" our units while trying not to field triple bat.

koooaei wrote:

gungo wrote:
Cost is an issue but trukks don’t have a clear purpose right now.

I like using truckgrots.
They've won me games.

I've been thinking about that for my Freebooterz since I dont' want to be locked into Grot Shield with Lootas. 3 trucks with Grots to start

I'm also wondering how viable a couple units of 30 Shootaz that are Freebooterz if you can get the Death Skull power off. Will 120 shots, hopefully/likley hitting on 4s at -1 be a waste. I'm so torn on bringing boyz and have had a fondness for Shootas since the end of 4th. A friend keeps telling, me the effectiveness of tying something up with a mass of boyz isn't to be ignored.

the Deathskullz power only buffs the AP of Deathskullz attacks.
Really the only reason you'd even want it if you arent bringing deathskullz as a primary force is it still causes the target to suffer a -1 to hit penalty in general, including in melee regardless of who theyre hitting.

DS AP boost on the power only works on DS units sadly.

But it’s ridiculously good even with BS5 shootas.

We should start to update the first post. I don’t think we are getting anything new for a while. The forgeworld new book shouldn’t change anything too much and outside the big Mek w Kff I don’t see a lot of changes in the faq.

At least not until the next edition gets released :p and even then let’s not expect Orks to get the first few codexs.

Think anything will drop for Orktober?

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I mean, my dream would be a Tankbusta/Kommando dual-feature box, like the Lootas/Burnas, to replace the Finecast options that currently exist, but, I don't think that's the current modelling style.

(I'd also settled for a "Build your own Warboss" kit.)

what makes you think there will be 2nd? It was one off case

gungo wrote:
We should start to update the first post. I don’t think we are getting anything new for a while. The forgeworld new book shouldn’t change anything too much and outside the big Mek w Kff I don’t see a lot of changes in the faq.

At least not until the next edition gets released :p and even then let’s not expect Orks to get the first few codexs.

I don't think there are enough people playing with SotB right now to actually draw any conclusions yet. Not to mention that its FAQ hasn't been released yet, and the spring FAQ is still MIA.

So far I also have been very unimpressed by DaBoomer (periscope included). Best it can be said about it is that is constantly ignored by my oponents. I think it may only work with psychic power that gives full rerolls. Still, 4d6 is way too random even when S,ap and damage are consistent.
Easier to transport than 5 smashas though.

Wakshaani wrote:
Think anything will drop for Orktober?

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I mean, my dream would be a Tankbusta/Kommando dual-feature box, like the Lootas/Burnas, to replace the Finecast options that currently exist, but, I don't think that's the current modelling style.

(I'd also settled for a "Build your own Warboss" kit.)

Current rumours (and anything can change with this pandemic) is that 9th edition in September possibly starter set of space marines vs necron... if it does release in September I don’t think orktober gives us much plus we haven’t really gotten a good orktober in a while the last ork release was really November.


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Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
So far I also have been very unimpressed by DaBoomer (periscope included). Best it can be said about it is that is constantly ignored by my oponents. I think it may only work with psychic power that gives full rerolls. Still, 4d6 is way too random even when S,ap and damage are consistent.
Easier to transport than 5 smashas though.

It’s still a great weapons platform that hits hard with a great range on a sturdy platform that can also transport. If you really want to push the envelope for it then freebooters or boom boys. Boom boys makes it a beefy str9 ap3 d2 platform that should scare most units.evil suns or deffskulls psychic power also make it dangerous. I realize it’s still bs5 but your basically getting 4x killkannons for the price of 1.

Evil Sunz with a Weirdboy+ Visions in the Smoke is another way to make up for their BS5+.

Have they said literally anything about a FAQ?

gungo wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
Think anything will drop for Orktober?

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I mean, my dream would be a Tankbusta/Kommando dual-feature box, like the Lootas/Burnas, to replace the Finecast options that currently exist, but, I don't think that's the current modelling style.

(I'd also settled for a "Build your own Warboss" kit.)

Current rumours (and anything can change with this pandemic) is that 9th edition in September possibly starter set of space marines vs necron... if it does release in September I don’t think orktober gives us much plus we haven’t really gotten a good orktober in a while the last ork release was really November.


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Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
So far I also have been very unimpressed by DaBoomer (periscope included). Best it can be said about it is that is constantly ignored by my oponents. I think it may only work with psychic power that gives full rerolls. Still, 4d6 is way too random even when S,ap and damage are consistent.
Easier to transport than 5 smashas though.

It’s still a great weapons platform that hits hard with a great range on a sturdy platform that can also transport. If you really want to push the envelope for it then freebooters or boom boys. Boom boys makes it a beefy str9 ap3 d2 platform that should scare most units.evil suns or deffskulls psychic power also make it dangerous. I realize it’s still bs5 but your basically getting 4x killkannons for the price of 1.

Yes...and no. You get 4 kill kannons for the price of a little more of 2 (as periscope is not free, it cost 20pts) and 1 CP. So closer to 3 killlkannons.


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I agree on the other points though.

The problem is that you don't actually get 4 killkannons for the price of 2 or 4 or anything. You are getting them for 155 points, which has felt pretty expensive for the 2-4 damage you tend get out of it.
When compared to a pair of KBB or the wazbomm, its output simply wasn't that impressive, especially since those didn't need a CP to perform. It's also fairly immobile compared to the other options, though its tall profile helps a lot with drawing LoS from the periscope.
IMO the lack of useful secondary weapon options are the main problem, if it had the big shootas and lobba included in its costs, or if it could take rokkits like the legends battlewagon, it could do some work.

I want to run it against marines before my final decree, but right now my main reason for running it would be the battlewagon being one of my favorite models.
I also want to try the zigzzap. Seeing how little damage da boomer does in actual games, I can see the auto-hitting and MW potential actually being comparable, with a niche for gunning down hard to hit things.

It's a huge step up from where gunwagons without kustom jobs have been, and it's surely an option for semi-competitive players, but I seriously doubt it to be an option for the tournament players among us.

I think it needs to be run as evil sunz for that visions of smoke reroll deal. Like Gungo said
Otherwise it is not worth 1 cp + 155 + social distancing from our other units (because it explodes on a 4+). Social distancing is a real problem for us because so many of our models have huges bases (and we have lots of models too, in typical lists).

That said, I have tried to make lists with it, it's not easy. I have a "toughness 8" themed list which works with it, with 2 gorks, a bonebreaker forktress and Da OK Boomer, but i dunno if lots of toughness 8 wounds are really that durable

Yeah I imagine the gun wagon holds down a flank. 4+ to do d6 mortals in 6” is brutal.

That ork player using it also to transport his flash gits makes sense to me. Now it’s 155 points for a decent gun platform AND saving you a bunch of points on something for your gits.

tulun wrote:
Yeah I imagine the gun wagon holds down a flank. 4+ to do d6 mortals in 6” is brutal.

That ork player using it also to transport his flash gits makes sense to me. Now it’s 155 points for a decent gun platform AND saving you a bunch of points on something for your gits.

At essentially bs4 when it’s also a flash git from the chapter tactic also makes those 4d6 shots more accurate. It’s honestly now one of our best shooting transports for flashgitz or tankbustas.

gungo wrote:

tulun wrote:
Yeah I imagine the gun wagon holds down a flank. 4+ to do d6 mortals in 6” is brutal.

That ork player using it also to transport his flash gits makes sense to me. Now it’s 155 points for a decent gun platform AND saving you a bunch of points on something for your gits.

At essentially bs4 when it’s also a flash git from the chapter tactic also makes those 4d6 shots more accurate. It’s honestly now one of our best shooting transports for flashgitz or tankbustas.

You mean making the Gunwagon a Freeboota?

Yeah it could trigger for Flash Gits if you wanna take a detachment, likely pretty easily too. Probably not even necessary, though. You can slot in wherever you really need it. It would be fine as a Blood Axe for the bonus save, and good at a Deathskull for some rerolls / 6++, too. Evil suns of course.

My only issue with the Visions strategy positied is that it seems like there are really poor secondary targets for visions once the Gunwagon gets popped. Gunwagon is definitely gonna be a huge target if you are doing full rerolls on it, and the Gork/Mork simply are inconsistent receivers (WC9 is the suck). I'm not sure what else you realistically target for visions... 5 Rocket Koptas?

um, gunwagon has an 'ard case though you cant remove why would you put flash gitz in it?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
um, gunwagon has an 'ard case though you cant remove why would you put flash gitz in it?

First turn protection you can disembark or disembark and move for extra range. But ya forgot the ard case

What if you run three of 'em? I mean, only one could get the upgrade, but three big ol' Toughness 8, high wound models is gonna go from "Distraction Carnifex" to "I … have got to deal with that, ASAP."

Right?

Wakshaani wrote:
What if you run three of 'em? I mean, only one could get the upgrade, but three big ol' Toughness 8, high wound models is gonna go from "Distraction Carnifex" to "I … have got to deal with that, ASAP."

Right?

they kinda suck normally at best you can do 2 w kustom Zappa
A forktress bone breaker can work for 3

Evil suns it’s a good platform for the psychic power but I also like deffskulls for rerolls and 6++. their psychic power which essentially gives it +1ap and freebooters +1 to hit Roll isn’t bad either. But I get it’s probably not super competitive As even with deffskull it’s not hard to pop first turn, but I still think it’s really good.

gungo wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
um, gunwagon has an 'ard case though you cant remove why would you put flash gitz in it?

First turn protection you can disembark or disembark and move for extra range. But ya forgot the ard case

No, you're right though. It's for getting them into position.

It's hard to get Flash Gits to get a round of shooting first turn unless the enemy deploys hyper aggressively. The new stratagem helps with that (36" range), but these sorts of lists are CP starved.

If they pop the Gun wagon, that's fine, your FG are probably up there, and now have a 3+ save, possibly being deployed in cover for a 2+. If they don't, you walk them out into a better place centre of the board and light them up.

It would be better if it was open topped, but it's not a bad idea imo. Flash Gits aren't complete pushovers unlike Tankbustas if they are exposed to shooting.

if you just want the T8 profile bonebreakers are better. Bonebreakers are pretty cheap for their attack profile, long as they dont have a super expensive unit inside they tend to not draw attention right away and mulch through things.

Gunwagon wasnt even thought about for ork lists until Da Booma showed up. And that kustom zapp gun is pathetic.

tulun wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Probably, but, I'd rather have more shooting in there though. Maybe I'll finally shell out of a unit of mek guns, or get two more SJD/scrap jets.

Toys or CP. Part of the fun right?

Minor rant on Saga: A lot of these abilities we have to pay for should come BAKED IN without costing CP.

Hell if I know why the Wartrike doesn't have a normal 12" melta, or the SJD's ability should have been consistent at the cost of risk of mortal wounds, and the warboss should have an innate way of being a badass.

At least we got a fix, but man alive, it's rough "fixing" our units while trying not to field triple bat.

Cry in Tyranids screech


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One question, we can bomb the enemy if they are in combat right? There is nothing about that on the bombing explanation that refuse that

 Vineheart01 wrote:
if you just want the T8 profile bonebreakers are better. Bonebreakers are pretty cheap for their attack profile, long as they dont have a super expensive unit inside they tend to not draw attention right away and mulch through things.

Gunwagon wasnt even thought about for ork lists until Da Booma showed up. And that kustom zapp gun is pathetic.

I actually think the Gunwagon is probably better given it's slightly cheaper, and leans into shooting (cause Orks are a shooting army... thanks 8th edition). That 4+ explosion sucks for positioning, but you could also use it as a weapon.

I could see some fun games where you actually charge a gunwagon into CC that's nearly dead just to fish for that 4+ explosion. Just field an army of mortal wound exploding death.

Btw Grukk facerippa datasheet is in this months white dwarf

probably OpenPlay only

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/06/white-dwarf-news-and-a-previewgw-homepage-post-4/

wouldnt be surprised at all.

Grukk seems to be the only character thats not limited edition that doesnt have a 40k dataslate, but exists in other 40k formats. Would not be shocked at all if he just switched to the only open-play only character (minus custom crap)

But, hes also yet another Goff character so highly doubt anyone would care if hes in normal 40k.