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I got one box off ebay when it first released and apparently the place I ordered it from got the shipments in before lockdown, so I had one quickly for 150.00. I split the box with a local guy for 75 bucks. I then bought up the ork half from another guy who got one of the early boxes in, I kept the meganobz and nobz and sold off the makari and Ghaz together for 76.00.

And I still have another box preordered and split with another local guy, but that store hasn't received they're shipment yet. I'll also be junking off the Ghaz and makari. The plan is to end up with 9 Meganobz, 15 Nobz, Ghaz and Makari for no more than 100 bucks. And I think I will be pretty close.

Stupid question, but do you measure auras (and explosions) as the crow flies?

For example if I have a burna bomma that is blowing up, and it is parked 4 inches away from a enemy unit that is 3" up(lets say on the second level of a ruin), which puts them 7" away in terms of charges/movement, but 6" or less measuring directly from the bomma... are they hit by the explosion?

Furthermore, any funky or interesting rules worth brushing up on regarding flyers and exploding radius?

I also got a quick question here, the new Evil Sunz power Visions in the smoke: would it effect the embarked units to reroll hits as well if said unit is emarked in an open toppen trukk or battlewagon? I know the mobile fortress have been cleared by FAQ already but this feels diffrent.

Visions in the smoke:
"f manifested, select one friendly EVIL SUNZ VEHICLE unit
within 12" of this psyker (you can only select a unit with
a Wounds characteristic of 18 or more if the result of
the psychic test to manifest this psychic power was 9 or
more). Until the start of your next Psychic phase, when
resolving an attack made by a model in that unit, you can
re-roll the hit roll."

Open-topped: Models embarked on this model can attack in their shooting phase. Measure xxx.... When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passenger; for example the passengers cannot shoot if this model Fell Back in the same turn, cannot shoot if this model is within 1" of an enemy unit, and so on. "

What do you guys think?

tulun wrote:
I’m also in the process of painting Grots. Boy howdy, it’s hard to care about Grots paint job. I’m also trying to decide but I wanna deal with then when I mix clans, as I sometimes just go mono DS

Just paint them in a way that each mob of gretchin has a unique color, no matter what their clan is. Will save you lots of head-aches when playing.

Bryten wrote:
I also got a quick question here, the new Evil Sunz power Visions in the smoke: would it effect the embarked units to reroll hits as well if said unit is emarked in an open toppen trukk or battlewagon? I know the mobile fortress have been cleared by FAQ already but this feels diffrent.

Visions in the smoke:
"f manifested, select one friendly EVIL SUNZ VEHICLE unit
within 12" of this psyker (you can only select a unit with
a Wounds characteristic of 18 or more if the result of
the psychic test to manifest this psychic power was 9 or
more). Until the start of your next Psychic phase, when
resolving an attack made by a model in that unit, you can
re-roll the hit roll."

Open-topped: Models embarked on this model can attack in their shooting phase. Measure xxx.... When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passenger; for example the passengers cannot shoot if this model Fell Back in the same turn, cannot shoot if this model is within 1" of an enemy unit, and so on. "

What do you guys think?

Rerolls are not modifiers. So no-they would not get rerolls.

weaver9 wrote:
Stupid question, but do you measure auras (and explosions) as the crow flies?

For example if I have a burna bomma that is blowing up, and it is parked 4 inches away from a enemy unit that is 3" up(lets say on the second level of a ruin), which puts them 7" away in terms of charges/movement, but 6" or less measuring directly from the bomma... are they hit by the explosion?

Furthermore, any funky or interesting rules worth brushing up on regarding flyers and exploding radius?

Whenever you measure to or from a model, if the models has a base, you measure from base to base, that's also true for fliers. You do not ignore the third dimension, you'd measure in a direct line from the base of the flier up to the unit in the ruin to see if they are hit.

In addition, uless they have fly, the unit in the ruin first has to climb 3" down in a direct line and then move towards their charge target from there, they don't get to charge in a direct line.

FLY only chances how you move, not anything else.


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Bryten wrote:
I also got a quick question here, the new Evil Sunz power Visions in the smoke: would it effect the embarked units to reroll hits as well if said unit is emarked in an open toppen trukk or battlewagon? I know the mobile fortress have been cleared by FAQ already but this feels diffrent.

Visions in the smoke:
"f manifested, select one friendly EVIL SUNZ VEHICLE unit
within 12" of this psyker (you can only select a unit with
a Wounds characteristic of 18 or more if the result of
the psychic test to manifest this psychic power was 9 or
more). Until the start of your next Psychic phase, when
resolving an attack made by a model in that unit, you can
re-roll the hit roll."

Open-topped: Models embarked on this model can attack in their shooting phase. Measure xxx.... When they do so, any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its passenger; for example the passengers cannot shoot if this model Fell Back in the same turn, cannot shoot if this model is within 1" of an enemy unit, and so on. "

What do you guys think?

The effect of visions is neither restriction nor modifier, and therefore does not affect the passengers under any circumstances.

 Jidmah wrote:

tulun wrote:
I’m also in the process of painting Grots. Boy howdy, it’s hard to care about Grots paint job. I’m also trying to decide but I wanna deal with then when I mix clans, as I sometimes just go mono DS

Just paint them in a way that each mob of gretchin has a unique color, no matter what their clan is. Will save you lots of head-aches when playing.

What I did before painting them was outline the base with a colour to denote squad, maybe I'll just do that again. Colour uniformity will look better than having some random red grots / purple / yellow (etc) grots.

I saw the recent WD leaks for both the Harlies and Orks in terms of rules. Harlequins definitely got some props unlike Deathwatch, and I'm surprised that the rules for Grukk and the Goff Rokka aren't half bad. It sucks they're just narrative rules though, I mean his model exists, would it kill them to give us points?

 addnid wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
"Make a fully-painted army" I said. "You've never had one so it'll be fun" I said.

*looks at mountain of boys*

Og lordy, ladz. What have I gotten myself into? Grey Clan was good enough for decades, right?

*collapses weeping*

Actually, if you go ten by ten, and once you spend four or five hours on them, you will see it is not that long to paint 90 boyz. 25 hours total I 'd say. Alternatively, you can just buy painted boyz on ebay, and sell the grey horde you have

These thirty have taken me about … pfff. Ten hours thusfar? Still have a long way to go. AND they still suck.

I combine being horribly slow with being horribly bad. It's why I had grey legions for FOREVER, but, trying to turn over a new leaf here.

So I just have to suck it up and eat the pain.

In the words of the local rugby club physio, ‘suck it up, Princess’ :-)

You can only get better at painting - think of the sense of achievement when you finally get the last paint off your hands :-)

 Grimskul wrote:
I saw the recent WD leaks for both the Harlies and Orks in terms of rules. Harlequins definitely got some props unlike Deathwatch, and I'm surprised that the rules for Grukk and the Goff Rokka aren't half bad. It sucks they're just narrative rules though, I mean his model exists, would it kill them to give us points?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Those don't look too bad, even if they are locked into goff. Too bad that they will just rot with the looted wagon rules because they don't have points.


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tulun wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

tulun wrote:
I’m also in the process of painting Grots. Boy howdy, it’s hard to care about Grots paint job. I’m also trying to decide but I wanna deal with then when I mix clans, as I sometimes just go mono DS

Just paint them in a way that each mob of gretchin has a unique color, no matter what their clan is. Will save you lots of head-aches when playing.

What I did before painting them was outline the base with a colour to denote squad, maybe I'll just do that again. Colour uniformity will look better than having some random red grots / purple / yellow (etc) grots.

I didn't mean to say that you should paint the actual gretchin in red, just their pants/helmets/bandanas.

 Grimskul wrote:
I saw the recent WD leaks for both the Harlies and Orks in terms of rules. Harlequins definitely got some props unlike Deathwatch, and I'm surprised that the rules for Grukk and the Goff Rokka aren't half bad. It sucks they're just narrative rules though, I mean his model exists, would it kill them to give us points?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I actually like those rules and wouldn't mind trying to make it happen in a list. Would be fun to cram all 3 units into a trukk and drop them off somewhere to unload a large volume of big choppa + choppa attacks. Probably won't get to without points values and forced Narrative and Open Play.
I don't mind them creating Open Play and Narrative only models but it drives me nuts when they don't give them points values. Matched play with points is the defacto rules that everyone I know uses, even if its a Narrative or Homebrew mission. You could house rule conversions from PL to Points but for better or worse people prefer to stick with the official rules.

I also like the idea of overloading Goff with so many melee buffs, that a nob and his six last boyz still murder half the enemy army

If Grukk has lost at least one wound, he will pretty much one-shot an entire unit of primaris

 Jidmah wrote:
I also like the idea of overloading Goff with so many melee buffs, that a nob and his six last boyz still murder half the enemy army

If Grukk has lost at least one wound, he will pretty much one-shot an entire unit of primaris

If you give him Fists of Gork he mostly like would too. I like the idea of having a character that can function like a blender against infantry, we have a lot of ways to get a character to chew through something big but not many that could chew through 10 models. I know Buzzgob could do this but I avoid taking him due to his KFF making no sense.

Look at his warlord trait - if he loses just one wound, he goes up to 8 attacks with S12, AP-4, hitting on 2+ and re-rolling wounds, and he gets goff's exploding sixes.

Wakshaani wrote:

 addnid wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:
"Make a fully-painted army" I said. "You've never had one so it'll be fun" I said.

*looks at mountain of boys*

Og lordy, ladz. What have I gotten myself into? Grey Clan was good enough for decades, right?

*collapses weeping*

Actually, if you go ten by ten, and once you spend four or five hours on them, you will see it is not that long to paint 90 boyz. 25 hours total I 'd say. Alternatively, you can just buy painted boyz on ebay, and sell the grey horde you have

These thirty have taken me about … pfff. Ten hours thusfar? Still have a long way to go. AND they still suck.

I combine being horribly slow with being horribly bad. It's why I had grey legions for FOREVER, but, trying to turn over a new leaf here.

So I just have to suck it up and eat the pain.

Good luck man, you will get there. The fact that you already started on 30 models is already really good, you should be proud of that, it’s an achievement

 Jidmah wrote:
Look at his warlord trait - if he loses just one wound, he goes up to 8 attacks with S12, AP-4, hitting on 2+ and re-rolling wounds, and he gets goff's exploding sixes.

Yeah thats what I meant, if you add firsts of gork then he's up to 10 attacks. He'd be expecting to get 0.97 hits per attack by himself and with re-rolling wounds he'd average 0.94 dead Primaris per attack. So on average he'd expect to wipe the squad with Fists of Gork and the Warlord trait. According to Warhammer-stats-engine it's about a ~50% chance to completely wipe the squad, ~72% chance to kill 9, ~89% chance to kill 8, and 96% chance to kill 7.

If you kill 8 in one go, morale will take care of the rest, unless you are facing dark angels.

 Grimskul wrote:
I saw the recent WD leaks for both the Harlies and Orks in terms of rules. Harlequins definitely got some props unlike Deathwatch, and I'm surprised that the rules for Grukk and the Goff Rokka aren't half bad. It sucks they're just narrative rules though, I mean his model exists, would it kill them to give us points?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, if they do give us points and technically let us use them in regular 40K it could be fun. Having an excuse to use those Goff Rokkers in game would be absolutely awesome!

I've already spotted a big choppa in my bits box that I can convert into a guitar

Those rules are actually pretty good, it’s a shame they’re seemingly not at all for matched play but I’d imagine I can get a game in with them somehow. That sort of thing would definitely make me more inclined to use Goffs.

Grukk has a model and really should have been matched play rules! He would be good for a goff detachment even if it still wouldn’t be competitive.

The rocker is kinda cool to but the model is no longer available.

I mean, there's a load of options. Make some drums, give him a microphone and have him standing on a massive pair of speakers. Have him smashing a guitar against the ground. All would be easy enough with a standard boy or a Nob.

Go figure, they actually give Goffs some stuff that makes me wanna play them and its open play only.
I swear orks are the only ones they do that with. Why even bother making the dataslate if you are gonna slap Open Play on it?

well this way some at least get to play with them. no dataslate and nobody

There difference between "nobody" and the number of people that can play datasheets without point costs is pretty irrelevant to the vast majority of players though.

I have no problems running Da Red Gobbo every other game, but a kill krusha tank? Nope.

Now that's a warlord. Grukk is closer to what a Warboss SHOULD have been out of the gate. It doesn't need 2 CP just to get good.

How good they would be, of course, would depend on their point cost.


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How many points would you pay for gut ripper? 4 power means they judge him to roughly be 80 points. I'd add 15 on top of it. 95 points for that would be sick and maybe even undercosted.

So...GW again. Why all these stuff is not in legends? It can't be that difficult to give it some points. Pure laziness.

90pts sounds about right.
Regular boss w/o relic or strat (which should not be factored in his base cost) is overpriced for what he can do. Grukk being slightly more expensive, but properly killy and doesnt die to a stiff breeze is worth it. And he's a great warlord choice, unlike Ghaz, who still uses the base Goff trait and completely wastes half of it (ap5 melee...who cares)

If they gave these things points, i would buy Grukk box in a heartbeat. I actually dont have it because i dont need another boss or nobz. I dont know a single ork player that owns him either for the same reason.

I picked up him up because I only had a MA warboss when I got back into the hobby. He's also way cooler than the Big Choppa Warboss.

I just saw he has a 4+, 5++ AND a 5+++. They really think he's PL4? Power creep and we can't even field him lol.

He has 10 attacks with his attack squig if he's hurt. Bonkers.