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I was in a toystore yesterday looking for a Christmas present for my niece, and I stumbled across an unusual rubik's cube.



Three thoughts hit me at the same time:

1) she's a budding magician, so she'd probably enjoy this,

2) the price seems significantly jacked up - I should check ebay before I buy it, and

3) that thing looks positively chaotic.

I hadn't played or modeled anything to do with Citadel/GW in over 10 years, but this inspired me. I think in the hobby community, and particularly in the 40k community, we tend to think of 'chaos' in very Moorcockian terms - which I guess isn't surprising, given his influence on the GW setting. By this I mean our concept of Chaos is a very visceral one, full of eyes in the wrong places and tentacles and extra arms and animal parts and claws and maws and other accelerated mutations. I definitely enjoy this aesthetic - it has an innate sort of video gamey, high fantasy bad guy vibe that is asking to be hammed up and taken to the extreme. I think over the last few years in particular, GW has been enjoying pumping out some fantastic, over-the-top Chaotic miniatures, and some very talented people have done some very impressive things with, or inspired by, the new sculpts.

I do however find that there's a subtler, weirder element to the concept of 'chaos' that, while explored further in some literature and other media, is left largely to the wayside in video games and tabletop wargaming. I'm talking about a Lovecraftian chaos, but less Cthonic tentacles and melted-plastic Shoggoth eyes, and more incomprehensible, utterly inhuman, go-mad-from-the-revelation chaos, as in The Colour out of Space.

I immediately got thinking about a Tzeentch Daemons army, with the bizarre rubik's cube as the Lord of Change. I am picturing an ever-advancing wall of levitating geometric shapes - cubes, yes, but also pyramids, obelisks, spheres, exploding stars, and combinations of all of these - rotating in on themselves, expanding in fractals, shattering and reforming as they slowly float towards their foe. The reasoning behind their seemingly mundane appearance is simple: the true shape of the daemon is totally unknowable, unthinkable, unrelatable to the human brain. To attempt to comprehend what you are seeing when you gaze upon a daemon of pure chaos is to immediately lose your mind. The apparently benign shape of the geo-daemons is your brain attempting to translate what it is seeing into something it can safely understand.

Tzeentch also felt like a natural fit - as the Chaos God of Change, crazy fractal shapeshifting daemons seem more at home with big T than any other God. I do have some ideas for branching out into other gods, though - I think that small quartz clusters would be great for counts-as Nurglings...

In any case, I wanted to test the concept, so I built and painted this test model out of some Scrabble tiles in about an hour. The edges of the tiles aren't as sharp as I would like, but for a first model and proof-of-concept I'm not too worried.







I have always considered myself a journeyman painter at best, at the basecoat-highlight-wash level, with little patience and no eye for detail. I would be lying if I said that part of the appeal of this project is the idea that I might have a decent looking army on the table simply through basing and drybrushing/washing. This was my first attempt at a snow base - using baking soda, PVA and white paint - and some of it actually dried up and fell off as I painted. Still some kinks to figure out I guess, but I am happy enough with it. I have since hit the little guy with a few blue/purple washes, and I'm pretty happy with the effect. Another highlight on the metal and I think he will look alright - I am planning on finishing up a squad of these guys to be my first unit of Horrors by the end of this week, so more pics will be coming soon. In my head, the Horrors were much lighter - more Runefang Steel, less black - but I do like the darker look. I will paint up the next one with more metallics to see which one I like better.

I am aware that this isn't the first time a cuboid daemon army has been attempted. I'd first seen gwaahr's Cubes of Tzeentch (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/355017.page) years ago, and it must have lain latent in my subconscious until I saw the Changecube in the toystore. I should probably point out that this isn't an attempt to copy his work (which is fantastic - gwaahr is an immensely talented painter and modeler), or to expand on it. While the concept may seem similar, I think we differ in both motivation and technical approach. I'm not planning on building this army to cut costs, although I have done some quick maths and even with some of the larger crystals I intend to buy I am going to save a bundle versus GW daemons; nor am I doing it as a result of any sort of knowledge of fine art or artistic techniques or theory - I have none. I am building this army because I adore the idea of chaos being truly incomprehensible, and the human mind funneling down the eldritch horror of it into something more palatable. I love the visuals of an army of crystalline shapes blasting away with energy beams and sonic/psychic weaponry. I think that if I was an Imperial Guard, I would be less terrified of the Ork or the Khorne Berserker or even of the Tyranids than I would be of the floating diamond that kills you when you try to look at it.

In terms of modelling, I'm also going for an even less organic-looking shape than gwaahr's melted cubes. They looked gorgeous - like living chunks of matter torn straight out of the warp - but I am really aiming for a sleek, mirror-like/crystalline exterior - which will definitely challenge my painting skills, but will also make sure I'm not taking a lazy approach to this project. There will also be other geometric shapes than cubes involved - in fact, by the time the army is finished, cubes and cuboids should be a stark minority. I should probably also point out that this isn't an elaborate troll job, or a stab at GW pricing, or a take-that to the thousands of hours poured into this hobby by other gamers. I am genuinely enthused to be creating what I feel is a fitting army for the grimdark universe of Warhammer 40,000.

Anyway, that's all the ramble I have for now. I should hopefully get this first squad of Horrors finished this week before the inevitable Christmas cave-in of productivity happens, and then I can at least get started on the other ideas I have floating around in my head.

Oh - and in case you were wondering, it was a good thing I checked on ebay. I can get mirror cubes online for a quarter of the price with free shipping. What a time to be alive!

Interesting concept 2 challenges here though;
1 Making them belong in 40k (Basing is your friend)
2 Making them recognisable distinct styles for each Daemon are a must and consistency between daemons of the same type.

 Llamahead wrote:
Interesting concept 2 challenges here though;
1 Making them belong in 40k (Basing is your friend)
2 Making them recognisable distinct styles for each Daemon are a must and consistency between daemons of the same type.

Hey mate, thanks for stopping by and posting!

I agree with both your points. This first batch will be a bit lacking on basing elements due to my lack of a bit box, but I am keeping an eye out for a way to get my hands on some. I am thinking ultrusmurf corpses and Imperial ruins would go nicely.

I have concrete ideas for at least a few troops and a couple characters; they will all be easily recognisable at a glance. If I ever get around to actually playing games with them I will probably just provide a cheat sheet for my opponent!

A bit of progress tonight, the other blue horrors have been built and primed, and I've made a tester model for my brimstone horrors.







I am gonna aim to get at least 3 horrors - either Brimstone or Blue - finished per day until I run out of scrabble tiles. They don't take long, but I have a 5 week old son who likes to demand my attention whenever I pick up the brush or glue. They're currently sitting pretty precariously on chopped up matchsticks, but I will pin them to their bases eventually.

Great idea for an army and I love what you have built so far! Have you considered picking up some blank dice for a slight alteration in shape? You can get a pack of 50 on amazon for a few bucks and they could fit in nicely with your geometric theme. A few 12 sided ones stuck together could look really interesting...

Also if you wanted to get a really nice shine on the models I would suggest looking into inks. I have an ancient green ink that when painted over a silver basecoat looks fantastic with very little effort.

G'day Commander Cain, thanks for reading & commenting!

I actually hadn't thought of using dice for my daemons - which seems like a bit of an oversight given I'm a regular D&D player. I love the suggestion and will definitely stealing the idea! I had no idea that you could get blank dice - d12s are pretty much perfect for this project, as are d8s - though they seem to cost 4x as much as d12s. I'm unfamiliar with inks - are they similar to washes? They're what I've been using at the moment, though I'm still playing around. I've tried a few different things out on the bunch below, with single coats, double coats, thick/thin etc. I tried to err on the subtle side at first, as you can tell by the tester models, but I think I like the stronger colours a bit more.

tzurk jr had a big nap this afternoon so I ended up getting through quite a bit - these guys are super fast to paint once they are all primed up.

First up: their bases, made using baking soda/PVA/white paint. I actually found these really satisfying to make, which is the first time me and bases have ever gotten along.



I also added snow to the little brimstone horror (as a side note, he was an experiment in using white undercoat for this project. I don't like the effect nearly as much, the black/silver/purple seems very fitting, almost like they're floating chunks of the universe, or mirrors reflecting the night sky):





Some group shots of the blue horrors:







The whole unit so far:



And how they might look from a hopeless guardsman's perspective, crushing forward in a mountain of flashing angles and harmonic resonating sounds...



I glued and primed up the rest of the unit of Brimstones, so those are next on the block. I've ordered the parts for what I think will be my furies, and they will be here in somewhere between 5 and 37 working days. Economy shipping, you get what you pay for

I'm on board I loved gwaahr's cubes and the lateral / cosmic horror thinking they embodied, your concept is moving in a happily similar yet different direction. While I sort of wish there was more color going on with your daemons (maybe on the basing?), I dig the effect en mass quite a bit, especially the end-on shot there.

Interesting idea. Reminds me a lot of Bismuth.

Yep, liking this.

I do think you also need to add some more colour differentiation between units - the brimstone and the blue look too similar ... and although they are different designs I think that they're similar enough that it might get confusing for opponents not used to your army without a starker colour change.I

Great embodiment of a different aspect of chaos though

I love this kind of idea. Really challenging what chaos can be and it is a lot of fun!

Thank you for all your comments guys! Glad to have you on board.

Salvage, I agree about colours! I think the muted tones work conceptually but as minis they still need to pop. I've found a pretty good bitz seller on ebay - they will be getting updated soon with some SM and imperial ruins bits. I was originally thinking of painting them up in smurf colours to match the blue/purple and I have a buddy who plays them, but now I'm thinking Blood Angels for a stronger splash of colour.

Grimtuff, good observation. I might already be trying to source the right piece of bismuth for a herald/changeling - you know what they say about great minds...

Monkeytroll, I had the same thought as soon as I finished the first unit. So tonight I've done a few different colour tests. I should probably say for transparency's sake that I don't usually get to devote this much time to the hobby. This burst of productivity is a bit like the fixed rate on my home loan, lulling you into a false sense of security at the beginning. And then reality hits...

Thank you for kind words amazingturtles, it sure is a lot of fun! I haven't been this excited about gaming in a long time.

My pink horrors are going to be four vertically stacked scrabble tiles - the basic idea being that when they get hit, they spin on their axis and change colour, get hit again, and split in half. I played around with a few things in a rush tonight to get some test models done. Firstly and probably most simply, I darkened the brimstones with another wash of colour, and kept the pink horrors pure metal. Conceptually, they're getting darker/more colourful as they lose touch with reality, and when a brimstone dies, I imagine it shattering in an explosion of colour. I like it, but I'm also worried they all still look very similar.



Secondly, I ditched the metallics and just went with a haphazard drybrush of blue/purple. This is my favourite result visually, and if I don't end up using it for my horrors it will definitely show up somewhere else in my army. I'm just not sure how I would paint the pinks if these were my brimstones - or vice versa.



Finally, I tried simply washing with other colours besides blue/purple. I dropped blue and red on the pink horror, and blue and orange on the brimstone, with the idea being that the horrors start off in two primary colours fresh out of the warp, and go through 1 secondary/1 primary to 2 secondary colours as they lose touch with reality. I don't think the colours I chose work, probably because Carroburg Crimson is very similar to Druchii Violet. I'm going to try a few different colour combinations to see if I can come up with a scheme that looks good while maintaining ease of identification.



I'd love to hear your thoughts on the colour schemes, Dakka - whether you have a favourite or another suggestion I hadn't thought of. The great thing about these tiles is test minis are quick and easy to put together to try out a bunch of different ideas.

Oh yes the extra colours are looking great! The red and purple combo is especially good. Regarding inks, yeah they function just like washes but overpower the base colour much more and also have a very strong shine to them. GW sold them back in the 2000's but now I like to use FW acrylic ink which you can find at any decent craft store as far as I know.

I'm not sure exactly you would go about it but you could make some interesting textured paint as well. If you found some super tiny balls and mixed them in with some thick paint or glue you could paste it over the tiles and have some really interesting designs.

Ah! Found em http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/micro-balls/300-mixed-micro-glass-balls.html?search_query=rivet&results=10

That also got me thinking that you could look at marbles for some interesting designs, some roughly splashed paint would look very chaotic and would be fairly easy to produce. With a gloss varnish you could even get them that shiny...

I love the marbles, Commander Cain - both the patterning and the ideas they've given me to build some characters. Do infantry units still have champions...?

Lots more colour work tonight! I've had a bit of a play with layering washes over the brightest silver base I could build. I learned a few lessons along the way:

- it's easy to see where I have lain the wash on too thick, as it dulls the metallic sheen. Lots of light layers = good, but I got impatient with all the drying. The base also needs to be thinned as you can see the brush strokes through the wash.
- the washes don't seem to play nice together, as they usually ended up in a muddled browny hue when I tried to blend them together. Leaving a strip of plain silver in the middle looks better IMO.
- go easy on the battle damage because you have a shaky hand!
- one of the tiles (the white undercoat) had a bit of texture on it due to me flipping it over before the primer was totally dry. This looks fantastic - I need to find a way to replicate this for the rest of the tiles. Maybe those glass beads, Cain?
- Pink horrors are sorted - top row center. Blue horrors - bottom center and bottom right. I need to get a yellow wash to try out some brimstone schemes - I'm thinking either with the orange or the blue. I'd also like to try a turquoise...
- I think the camo/flesh wash will work for Nurgle daemons, though I will also swap the flesh for Agrax Earthshade as I think it is similar to the orange. Not sure about red/orange for Khorne though. Maybe red/black or red/yellow...or red/red. I forgot about mono-colours in my excitement!




I also had a bit of play with a possible pairing for the blue/purple "crystal" drybrush. These will have to show up somewhere in the army, with a bit of tidying up.



I have also ordered some more scrabble tiles from ebay - with sharper corners - and I think I will call this first batch test models that will be replaced by more colourful second attempts.

The colours separated by the slim strip definitely work well, those look great.

Really nice use of colours there. this army is going to be very pretty!

Thanks guys! I am really excited for the new colours too. I think using traditional Tzeentch/Chaos colours over the metallics will help place them in 40k. To that end, I've also ordered a bunch of bitz for basing. I ended up going away from Imperial/SM bits to Ork bits for 2 reasons:

1) if I ever end up playing real games of 40k, it will probably mainly be against my brother in law - who plays orks and
2) I'm specifically choosing bits that would also work in a fantasy environment so that I can use the same army for WHFB/AoS if the opportunity ever arises.

I've also been doing some reading and am going to go grab a Stormhost Silver to see if I can get a brighter base/better coverage as my Runefang Steel tends to be very watery and inconsistent even with a bunch of shaking. For texture, I'm gonna pick up some Stirland Mud to stipple onto the faces of the tiles. Hopefully everything I need to finish the horrors will be here by next Friday, so I can get started over the weekend.

While I'm waiting for bases/bits/scrabble tiles to arrive, I've been doing a bit of concept work. Here's the general idea for my horrors, including an eventual champion/herald.



These are the bits I'm waiting on for my furies. I am thinking a black/red colourscheme for these guys - that's the scheme GW uses on their site, but would also work if I decided to run them as bloodletters.



And an idea for a herald/champion...



I also have an oversized d12 (probably about 40mm across) that I picked up to use for my barb's greataxe in D&D, but since it's hollow it's way too loud and obnoxious for use at the table. It's currently packed away in a moving box somewhere but I think with some scrabble tiles and/or Stirland Mud over the numbers, it'd make a neat daemon prince or chariot. Lots of exciting ideas on the burner - wish I could start them all now!

Here's some things to think about- Non-plastic stuff. First off, you can Chrome stuff- either with Chrome spraypaints, or you could even send things off to get chrome plated. Secondly, using glass, plexiglass, or other clear materials underneath your paintjobs. Scratches and bare spots would then reveal 'nothingness' underneath instead of solid colors.

I'm looking forwards to seeing where this goes- glad I caught it at the very start.

Anvildude wrote:
Here's some things to think about- Non-plastic stuff. First off, you can Chrome stuff- either with Chrome spraypaints, or you could even send things off to get chrome plated. Secondly, using glass, plexiglass, or other clear materials underneath your paintjobs. Scratches and bare spots would then reveal 'nothingness' underneath instead of solid colors.

I'm looking forwards to seeing where this goes- glad I caught it at the very start.

These are great ideas, I will definitely look into them - I especially love the idea of chipping through to glass/etc.

It's actually also given me some inspiration to look outside scrabble tiles, as I'm having a few troubles with them at the moment. I'm unhappy with the corners on my original 'square' plastic ones, as they're more like a bevelled bubble than an actual sharp line, which I think rubs against the grain of the aesthetic I'm trying to achieve. I ordered some wooden ones online, and they arrived yesterday - they are much sharper, but not exact squares, and look ridiculous when stacked in the way I want to make my horrors. I've been looking at a few options, like sanding down the plastic - but who has time for that - or making my own out of MDF or plasticard, and then I stumbled across these 20x20x4mm glass mosaic tiles.







I can't believe how close they are to what I'm trying to achieve with my horrors. I think I'm going to order a pack - they come in packs of 25 for $4 + postage, which is enough for 6 horrors with 1 spare, and should be plenty to play around with and see if it will work.

The only problem, then, is how to drill into them to pin them together/to their bases - it looks like I'll need to find some diamond drill bits. This is really turning into a bit of a journey, isn't it? My backup plan, if the glass is too heavy to pin/hard to work with/doesn't look right on the table but won't take paint is to make my own out of MDF or plasticard, texture them up, and basically use the tiles as a paint-by-numbers for inspiration.

My 32mm bases arrived, so the first unit I'll be working on will be pinks. Still waiting on my orky basing components, or else I could at least get started on those. Waiting game sucks, let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos...

In non-horror related news, I was clearing out the sports shed at work in prep for school holidays and found a perpetual trophy that had been given out only once - 18 years ago. Guess it never really took off - but rather than throw it out, I kept it and nicked these sweet hexagonal rings. Cover up the holes with marbles/tiles/texture, and we have some interesting designs for the army. Chariots? Spawn? Screamers? Not sure yet.

The tiles look perfect for the job, a few smashed up on the bases of other models would look good as well!

Also perspex bases may work as well. With the glass tiles I'm guessing superglue will be fine pinning is necessary for small surface areas and you can design these to have plenty...

I kind of like the idea of those hexagons as screamers.

Some color shifting/chameleon paints might be right up your alley for this...

You can get cheap-o diamond drill bits at Harbor Freight, or more expensive (but longer-lasting) at most hardware stores. Theyr'e really not all that expensive, which is nice.

The BIG thing to remember with diamond bits is that they're GRINDING, not CUTTING the material. Don't press, don't hold. You need to sort of 'tap' the bit into the material repeatedly to grind away a tiny bit at a time. You also ought to have a vacuum right up at the point of work, or even better, be working with the piece underwater- using a disposable pie tin often works for that.

G'day guys,

Thanks for all the comments and for keeping the thread alive! Not a huge amount of progress to report sadly, but I thought I'd throw a quick update up. My tiles arrived - and the idea of using them instead of scrabble pieces went straight out the window! I ordered the darkest purple they had - second from the top in my last post - and they showed up hot pink...



On top of that, they aren't perfect squares - the sides bevel inward/downard, making a sort of trapezoid shape. Interesting profile but it limits my good-looking options when combining four of them. They're also quite heavy - and I'm not sure I'd have the patience to drill/pin them. All is not lost, however - like Commander Cain suggested, I will be breaking them up and using them for basing. Depending on how well they take glue, they may even end up as part of some of the larger pieces.

I have at least come a little way with Horrors v.2 though. New bodies are assembled, drilled and pinned. They just need to be textured before priming - I worked out that you can get a nice effect by rubbing them on the driveway to score them a bit, and using a tiny bit of Stirland Mud in patches/corners. I'd originally planned for pinks to be stacked horizontally, but after having a read of the Codex and doing some army list research it looks like I'll mostly be using Pinks and Brimstones without many Blues, so I wanted to keep a bit of contrast in the models I'll be mostly fielding.



Bases are also done, complete with ork bits, ready to be primed and painted. The materials sort of bleed together in the photos, but I've got a layer of corkboard there mostly to give the pin more surface area to stick to, and to add a bit of height/interest.



And a mock-up of how they will look put together.



I think I've found a set-up for the hexagons as well - just drop a small marble in the gap. I think they will look sweet with a bit of texture. At the moment I'm thinking of using them as Exalted Flamers - which led me to an idea for regular flamers using plastic hex nuts and smaller marbles/wooden spheres.

amazingturtles wrote:I kind of like the idea of those hexagons as screamers.

Me too! But I'm thinking now that a couple of flat plastic dominoes stuck together, like elongated horrors, would be a good fit for screamers.

PourSpelur wrote:Some color shifting/chameleon paints might be right up your alley for this...

I never knew these were a thing! I've looked them up and I think they are beautiful. My only problem is I can't find any locally, and shipping is gonna kill me on the two companies that I've seen and fallen in love with. I will keep an eye out for a more local option - or they might potentially be a Christmas/birthday present to myself - mrs tzurk doesn't need to know about the price...

We have a busy weekend coming up but my goal is to get at least 1 (but hopefully 3) test horrors textured, primed, and painted up by the end of it. I will keep you posted!

Are you a Rick and Morty fan? The hexagons could also work to make a LoC inspired by Fart.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Are you a Rick and Morty fan? The hexagons could also work to make a LoC inspired by Fart.

Can't say I've ever seen the show but I love the name there's definitely a bunch of projects they would work well for - if only I had more of them! I've scoured the internet and trophy stores, but no luck yet.

I threw together my first herald! Hopefully it's a sign of more productivity to come this weekend...

Your creations are... disturbing, yet somehow alluring to look at.

 Hawky wrote:
Your creations are... disturbing, yet somehow alluring to look at.

Thankyou! That's pretty much exactly what I'm going for...

First 10 horrors are done. I learned a lot as I went through these, and made plenty of mistakes/noticed a heap of things to improve on next time - but as these are the first of at least 60 that I intend to make, I think they'll blend in fine with the rest of the horde. I wanted to post these up with some fluff, but that will have to come later - I am dog tired rn.















Planning to make 10 brims now over the coming days, then get the herald painted up - and then we're only 6 flamers away from my first 250 point list and hopefully a few games! My christmas present to myself is going to be a light box, so I should have some nicer photos shortly too.

Great stuff. Really like the idea for the Exalted Flamers. Herald looks pretty cool.

Good job on the first batch of terrors - I wasn't sure about the starker white at first, but the more I look at them them more I like them

Shame about the tiles, although maybe they'd work if you constructed partial cubes emerging from the ground (or even walls) out of them?

 monkeytroll wrote:
Great stuff. Really like the idea for the Exalted Flamers. Herald looks pretty cool.

Good job on the first batch of terrors - I wasn't sure about the starker white at first, but the more I look at them them more I like them

Shame about the tiles, although maybe they'd work if you constructed partial cubes emerging from the ground (or even walls) out of them?

Thanks mate! They're actually silver under the colour wash, but I think the lighting/photo takes a lot of that out. They were looking a little flat in real life too though, so I've given the whole unit a light wash of Nuln Oil, particularly the textured bits/areas where the tiles connect. It's subtle, but I think they look much nicer now. The plain metal bits looked a bit out of place before. One thing I'd like to try with the next unit is drybrushing the tiles with Runefang after going from Leadbelcher to Ironbreaker - with these ones I simply threw down the layers until they were as bright as possible. I think it'd be nice to have a bit of variance in the silver parts rather than all being the same pristine metal.

Nice idea on how to use the glass tiles. That'll be a cool effect to try out on the base of a DP or LoC!

Brimstones are underway this morning. I've gone over the yellowing PVA/baking soda snow with some Valhallan Blizzard, and textured up the tiles. mrs tzurk walked past and asked me why I was making square giraffes - and now I can't unsee it. I'll be trialling the new techniques on these ones, and I'll be painting them up in blue & purple. I wanted to stick to the official colour scheme as much as possible, but I'm not a fan of how the orange/yellow washes turned out over the metal. When I get around to blue horrors, they'll be blue with Coelia Greenshade, so I'll still have my three flavours.



I'd hoped to buy some bases from the Warhammer store when I went in to pick up my texture paints, but found they only sell them in 'mix packs' - I think they had 10 x 32mm (good), 3 x 50m (what even goes on 50mm bases), and some large oval ones (when did they start making ovals??). Who the is buying bases like that? So now it'll be a while til I get the next batch, as I'm taking the family away for a few weeks over Christmas, and we are moving into our new house pretty much as soon as we get back. Oh well - at least I should have two full squads before we go.

The ovals are for the big gribblies, now.