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Casual gamers are ruining this game.

Aura's are bad for the game, I agree. At least big buff auras.

Players who are not very good at tactics and maneuver and the intricacies of a model vs model game seem to love lots of dice. The more dice rolling the better. If they see a stat with lots of dice they go all fangirl. And it seems GW is trying to draw more of those players with 8th.

One the one hand this is easily one of the fastest growing threads. On the other hand, a thread in which we are supposed to post our unpopular opinions without reproach is full of people telling each other that their unpopular opinions are wrong.

*HeadDesk*

Oh well.

One more:

Blizzard's idea of 'TrueId' in which all forum and game related content was tagged by the real name of the content creator/poster was brilliant and should be implemented on anything miniatures related.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
One the one hand this is easily one of the fastest growing threads. On the other hand, a thread in which we are supposed to post our unpopular opinions without reproach is full of people telling each other that their unpopular opinions are wrong.

*HeadDesk*

Oh well.

One more:

Blizzard's idea of 'TrueId' in which all forum and game related content was tagged by the real name of the content creator/poster was brilliant and should be implemented on anything miniatures related.

Well, they wouldn't be unpopular if we didn't have someone to argue them, right?

Here's mine - a shockingly large percentage of posters are unable to step back and process new information before coming to a rational conclusion. An even larger portion of that are unable to handle incomplete information in a reasonable manner.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Easy to assemble minitures are 'easy to assemble' and have enhanced my hobby experience ten fold.

I am sorry, I can't even keep a straight face typeing that gak.

I can say this and it’s totally true for me. Love the easy to assemble models.


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GW are casual players who attempted to appease a tournament crowd with 8E.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

40k models are "embarrassing". (My Bolt Action stuff seems to be much better received as "awesome looking" by the uninitiated than my better painted 40k stuff).

I think that's your own psyche imposing on other people's expectations.

The vast majority of wargamers are social misfits (I cannot seem to find a single person that is not on mental corrective meds, has strong personal body odour / halitosis, no concept of persona space or has the entirety of their social circle within the gaming group... I cannot fully exclude myself from this)

For those aged 12 to 25, probably. This is more pronounced for MTG in my area and less for Warhammer.

Magic the Gathering seems more "respectable" than wargaming. (Seems well organized and the community is still thriving).

Easier to get into - that's about it. The odor when MTG tournaments are on are unbearable. Again, I think this is your psyche imposing the belief that playing with toy soldiers is less respectable than a card game.

Vehicles in 40k seem to be the "odd man out" when it comes to painting them to a good finish. (Historical models can be the finest examples of model painting out there (airplanes, tanks) yet we always see some 40k model with the clear cockpit painted over, lighting glow effects, ugly flyiing bases, very little photo-etch parts (none standard for sure), the vehicles feel more like an "icon" of the vehicle than anything realistically realized "making a silk purse out of a sow's ear".)

Historical players have an older age bracket who are more patient and experienced.

I believe your line by line reply defeats the purpose of this thread.
These are a "feeling" an "opinion", I believe the intent was not to "impose" on anyone.
These opinions are based on decades of experiences playing within the hobby and explaining to others about the hobby.
I am unsure how the "facts" you present are to change that, or what the intent is other than to say "you are wrong for reasons..."
I would suggest you could say your own personal experiences seem to prove the opposite, which is perfectly fine.

I am one of those "older age bracket" types, I am almost 50, some days I feel my patience is less than it was, as this thread is proving.

Crowd sourcing rules from front line gaming is the key for the health and longevity of 40k.

Orks can never have good shooting because it would break the game. This opinion is currently being tested.

Proxies are ugly, and my conversions are better.

Re-rolls are handed out so much to appease the younger generation of players, who simply can't understand basic statistics, and don't posses the mental ability to process failure well enough.
Most of them (rerolls) should go, they slow the game down and skew the output of so many things towards success.

Cost effectiveness is an incredibly poor measurement on how to determind whether something is good or not.
A) It assumes costs are based relative power of a single stat/group of stats. Unit X should not be 2x as good at everything as unit Y even if it is twice as expensive, because power compounds with flexibility.
B) it assumes units fighting an equal number of points, which is not how things work in any particular battle. If you can't win mono-to-mono, then that should be an incentive to put your units is advantage possitions rather than complain that you can't automaticly win in a fair fight.
C) There's a lot of situations that happen in math that aren't going to happen on the table. You can't, for example, kill 1.5 of a unit with a single weapon. Or have units be able to be everywhere buffing everything. 30 leadership boys from Mob Rule sounds amazing until turn 3-4 when all of youe boy mobz are mostly dead now and you're loosing guys left and right to morale (Morale as a whole is a mechanic ignored a lot)

This is not an endorsement of the "guts" school of unit effectiveness, which is much worse. Mathhammer is a tool, but it's not the only tool we should be using.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Cost effectiveness is an incredibly poor measurement on how to determind whether something is good or not.
A) It assumes costs are based relative power of a single stat/group of stats. Unit X should not be 2x as good at everything as unit Y even if it is twice as expensive, because power compounds with flexibility.
B) it assumes units fighting an equal number of points, which is not how things work in any particular battle. If you can't win mono-to-mono, then that should be an incentive to put your units is advantage possitions rather than complain that you can't automaticly win in a fair fight.
C) There's a lot of situations that happen in math that aren't going to happen on the table. You can't, for example, kill 1.5 of a unit with a single weapon. Or have units be able to be everywhere buffing everything. 30 leadership boys from Mob Rule sounds amazing until turn 3-4 when all of youe boy mobz are mostly dead now and you're loosing guys left and right to morale (Morale as a whole is a mechanic ignored a lot)

This is not an endorsement of the "guts" school of unit effectiveness, which is much worse. Mathhammer is a tool, but it's not the only tool we should be using.

Will you marry me?

metal miniatures are great. they stand the test of time and hold there value. wash pin and primer them and you will never have a problem.
primaris look better but fluff is dumb
the lore takes itself too seriously now
true line of sight is terrible
primarchs are bad
the horus heresy was dumb
soup is cool and good
itc style missions are better even for casual play
6th/7th edition were a mess that drove people away
templates are bad but could be a good way to get around minus's to hit
bring back chaos undivided in a meaningful way

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Will you marry me?

Already called for by a wonderful woman I also believe elite armies are not AS bad as people think and that competitive players are good for the game, so I don't think we're as compatible as you think

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Will you marry me?

Already called for by a wonderful woman I also believe elite armies are not AS bad as people think and that competitive players are good for the game, so I don't think we're as compatible as you think

No - you may have misinterpreted my other posts, because I think those things, too.

I'm married, too, but she doesn't like Warhammer sometimes so our wives could live together and we could have our own house and play Warhammer all day!

Wait, you being married is an unpopular opinion?

Mortal wound is a terrible mechanic as-is.

The morale system is bad.

Vehicle facings and firing arcs were a mechanic that was wreaking havoc on point-balance. It’s already challenging for them to get statlines correctly costed, but then you had some vehicles that may still suck to use because the model sculptor decided they want the main weapon on top pointing skyward or some nonsense where it can’t see most of what it would want to shoot. Making all facings abstract like how they were with monsters and smaller models puts them back on relatively even ground for balance purposes.

Combat support characters like chaplains face a ton of challenge trying to do their job effectively because of how the rules work.

8e, despite its flaws, is probably the best edition yet. Without a comprehensive large scale poll, I’m unsure if this opinion is unpopular or not.

Seeing a lot of moans about TLOS.

You do know it's been in the game since at least 2nd ed, guys? TLOS is not a new thing.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Will you marry me?

Already called for by a wonderful woman I also believe elite armies are not AS bad as people think and that competitive players are good for the game, so I don't think we're as compatible as you think

No - you may have misinterpreted my other posts, because I think those things, too.

I'm married, too, but she doesn't like Warhammer sometimes so our wives could live together and we could have our own house and play Warhammer all day!

*Shrug* That might be the case. My girlfriend is also into warhammer, so that might make it complicated.

On topic: I think Dakkadakka is a swell place.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Seeing a lot of moans about TLOS.

You do know it's been in the game since at least 2nd ed, guys? TLOS is not a new thing.

I think that there was always a level of abstraction and an understanding that the tip of a whip antennae isn't enough to justify the shot. Back then, we had a "If you would hate having it done to you, don't try to pull it on someone else." sort of mentality. Just a better batch of gaming all around. 5th destroyed that.

That people who ferociously argue that multivariate phase space of sandbox miniature game interactions can be reasonably approximated by projection onto linear dimension of point cost should finally publish all their brilliant math papers, because they are seriously missing out on guaranteed Fields Medal for revolutionizing dynamical systems theory.

 Just Tony wrote:
5th destroyed that.

5th had exceptions for banners, wings etc.

Power level is the best because taking upgrades is fun.

You shouldn't be able to field an unpainted army at events or tournaments

One of the top reasons I ditched Warmachine. Flat terrain, junk minis, non-hobby related crowd

Guardsmen are balanced at 4ppm and conscripts after the nerfs were balanced at 3ppm

Unpopular opinion: Way too many 40K gamers are beholden to the gospel that is GW's rulebooks and are unwilling to make subtle or drastic changes to enhance their gaming experience.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Seeing a lot of moans about TLOS.

You do know it's been in the game since at least 2nd ed, guys? TLOS is not a new thing.

It was TLOS with a number of very important asterisks on top. Like forests blocked LOS, despite you being able to physically see between trees. Models in 4th had a "height class", and there were LOS blocking mechanics surrounding that.

This is some elitism that I'm trying to work through and correct, but I think this belongs here:

I'm disheartened when I see a ForgeWorld model that has been poorly painted. It seems like a waste.

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:
I'm disheartened when I see a ForgeWorld model that has been poorly painted. It seems like a waste.

That's unpopular? It's even worse when the barrels are all bendy.