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Chopping, changing, ignoring or straight up homebrewing rules to make your games more fun for the players involved should be the norm at every table.

The old metal Valhallan/Tallarn/Cadian/Mordian guard models are the best line GW ever produced.

Kitbashing requires very little skill and a lot of people I know still seem to suck at it. Kitbashes are rarely interesting or impressive and I don't understand why some people are so proud of their jarring, ill-proportioned results.

In a similar vein, while I lament the removal of weapons options from some newer models/codex datasheets, it doesn't really discourage converting. Wysiwyg weapon swaps are not what cool conversions are about.

Brad Gamma wrote:
Kitbashing requires very little skill and a lot of people I know still seem to suck at it. Kitbashes are rarely interesting or impressive and I don't understand why some people are so proud of their jarring, ill-proportioned results.

In a similar vein, while I lament the removal of weapons options from some newer models/codex datasheets, it doesn't really discourage converting. Wysiwyg weapon swaps are not what cool conversions are about.

oh god this first one so much. People "converting" because they can not because they should. So many terrible "kitbashes" that are random pieces stuck together with no real vision, and yet they still feel the need to share because they "created" something

I don't know if qualifies:

When people have crap conversions. I honestly will tell them, but I will say: "Mate it was a good try and I see what going for but it looks pretty crap atm tbh, you could try this & this..."

No need to sugar coat stuff.

EDIT: many before feel the same. I always make sure to tell them and give them suggestions (seems like it might be universal). I would expect the same.

People confusing their Hobby, with the Hobby.

No right or wrong way to do any of these things. You're not the gatekeeper. GW aren't the gatekeeper. There is in fact, no gate.

People who slavishly follow the really old, original background are a bit weird. Times change, man. Gotta move with them sometime (revering and enjoying it is different. It was very, very good. But it's not current. What Realms of Chaos says does not trump a Heresy novel in terms of canon)

Recasters. Are. Parasites.

People who forget this is ultimately a social game. You need a pool of opponents. So be nice, or at the very least tolerant for the duration of that game. Didn't enjoy them as an opponent? Work on them. but don't throw teddy from the pram.

Brad Gamma wrote:
Kitbashing requires very little skill and a lot of people I know still seem to suck at it. Kitbashes are rarely interesting or impressive and I don't understand why some people are so proud of their jarring, ill-proportioned results.

In a similar vein, while I lament the removal of weapons options from some newer models/codex datasheets, it doesn't really discourage converting. Wysiwyg weapon swaps are not what cool conversions are about.

GOOD, kit bashing requires skill, good use of green stuff etc. I always find good kitbashes awesome.

If it is crap I say as much (not that my opinion matters above them, if they like it, I will always go "awesome, if you love it all that matters". I loved the old GW system of lots of parts/options. In this day and age I love seeing a stock click together (pretty much) model converted to look different (pose etc).

Long time lurker, infrequent poster. Here are my thoughts:

- 8th edition is great and has done more to draw me into the game than any previous edition.

- Soup can be fun but should be restricted to open and narrative. You should have to deal with your factions short-comings.

- Primaris are great looking, but he fluff is bad. They will slowly replace the old marines.

- Daemon Primarchs are a great addition. Loyalist ones not so much.

- Many stronger models need a clause to prevent them from being taken in smaller games.

- Characters should be used rarely.

- Current detachment system is bloated and complicated.

- This is a game. It's about having fun. It's fun to win but it can be fun to lose too. If you're not playing for fun, why are you playing?

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I don't know if qualifies:

When people have crap conversions. I honestly will tell them, but I will say: "Mate it was a good try and I see what going for but it looks pretty crap atm tbh, you could try this & this..."

No need to sugar coat stuff.

EDIT: many before feel the same. I always make sure to tell them and give them suggestions (seems like it might be universal). I would expect the same.

Gotta agree here. The internet has really brought out how dishonest this hobby truly is at times, with Reddit being the most egregious example. Someone posts a junk conversion there and you will hard pressed to find any honest criticism, only generic compliments which add nothing.

I have an unpopular opinion. People need to stop acting like donkey-caves just because they can. Really whats the point.

There should be rules about people excessively farting at game tables....

"snowflake" factions should never have gotten stand alone codexes. Looking at you Harlequins/Custodes and Knights because they shouldn't be in a 2000 point games.

Warhammer 40,000 is a casual game that has been invaded by competitive gamers.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 is a casual game that has been invaded by competitive gamers.

And it's lore has been invaded by people who take it seriously.


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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
There should be rules about people excessively farting at game tables....

If this is unpopular I'm not sure I want to hang around. Or is this another one of those competitive strats where you assert board control using non-conventional tactics?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 is a casual game that has been invaded by competitive gamers.

It really isn't. GW themselves are the ones that set the standards for tournaments and encouraged their games to be played at the same level. Where do you think the common pts levels of games of 1500 (originally) for 40k and 2000 for whfb came from? GW's own Grand Tournaments.

Do you mean Malal here? The god who was referenced with the Sons of Malice CSM army in one of the CSM books?

I do, but that also was a while ago IIRC, and I don't remember seeing them in my CSM book, though I could be wrong on that account.

But the important part is GW will never do anything with them, so they may as well not exist, as they are so utterly unimportant to the setting.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 is a casual game that has been invaded by competitive gamers.

It really isn't. GW themselves are the ones that set the standards for tournaments and encouraged their games to be played at the same level. Where do you think the common pts levels of games of 1500 (originally) for 40k and 2000 for whfb came from? GW's own Grand Tournaments.

It was a way different time back then, though. You didn't see half as many cheese lists as you do today, most of th time you saw lists that were strong but still at least cared a bit for the background.

To stick to the topic here's another unpopular opinion: 40k tournaments need to bring back Sportsmanship (i.e. how much of a jerk your opponent was) and Army Comp (i.e. did they bring a list with no thought to the background/theme of the army) again and have them be major factors in determining the winner of the event such that if you turn up with some ridiculous soup list that's just taking the most optimal choices there's a good chance the hit you take on Comp will eliminate your chance of winning even if you won all of your games. To offset this, bring back the varying awards for Best General and the like, so you throw those people a bone but they can't be the overall winner without solid Sportsmanship and Comp scores.

 TheCustomLime wrote:



Overly airbrushed models look bad and unrealistic. An airbrush is a tool in a painter's toolbox not the focus.

I really like this one.

The fluff is bad and written by d-list authors.

Martel732 wrote:
The fluff is bad and written by d-list authors.

This is the unpopular opinion thread

Ohhhhh.... good burn.

Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.

Martel732 wrote:
Ohhhhh.... good burn.

Burn? I was just saying that's not an unpopular opinion, that's all.

Another Unpopular Opinion: Custodes shouldn't be an army.

I thought you were further burning the fluff.

Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

Soup is good for you.

Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.

1. There is nothing duller than when my favorite 40k podcasts stop talking about armies or tactics or whatever, to recite the top three players of every faction in the game, as they stand at that exact second in time. Did you know that Bill Caulwell is the third best Tyranid player in May? Did you need to?

2. The grossly complicated detachments/formations/command points/command abilities malarkey has not made 40k better, and is at best suitable for narrative play.

3. Trying to balance 40k as a competitive game? Here's what everyone builds their army to:

1 Codex. 1-2 HQs, 0-3 Elite, 2-6 Troop, 0-3 Fast Attack, 0-3 Heavy Support.

Nothing else - no list of ten relics of which only two are good, no four pages of stratagems that require exploiting army build to maximize CPs to use, no picking and choosing the best of five Imperial Codexes. You get to pick one codex, you get one force org chart.

Guard orders should have been rolled into Stratagems, all the unique resource driven stuff should have.

3rd Edition was the best edition. Fairly sure this is unpopular for the most part.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Guard orders should have been rolled into Stratagems, all the unique resource driven stuff should have.

Character auras should be rolled into Stratagems, since they're the equivalent of Guard orders for non-Guard armies.