CA Point Changes - a mix of excitement and disappointment

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**Insectum7**

Spoletta wrote:
Nid changes were spot on, as always our codex wins in balance. Only dubious point is the malanthrope, i think that it going bank to the old cost is a mistake.

Is that where the Malanthrope is going? Didn't see it in the links.

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Nice drop on Chainfists.

And my marines will really like the new Plasma Cannon cost.

Grav Cannon isn't there, so stays at current price? Very curious.

**Tyel**

necrontyrOG wrote:
Pages in order:

https://imgur.com/gallery/hJdGA6T

Thanks.
For some reason trying to do it in my head was proving impossible.

My initial thoughts are that Ad Mech and Necrons have done well - whether its enough to be competitive remains to be seen.
A world where tacticals are 13, intercessors are 17 (declared earlier, but still lol) but Guardsmen remain 4 is a harsh one.

Also DE are clearly the master race (did anyone ever doubt it?) because they seem to be working exactly as intended.

**Galef**

dhallnet wrote:
Galef wrote:
Can anyone confirm the cost of Eldar Windriders? The leaked picture is annoyingly blurred just on their points. I can't tell if they are 15,16 or 18pts. I assume it's not 18 since that is their current cost.
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It's 16.

Thanks. Combined with Twin-cats being 2ppm and Scatterlasers being 7ppm now, that's a 5ppm drop on WRs overall. Shuricannon WRs only went down 2ppm overall and are now the most expensive ones, but that makes perfect sense as they are the best loadout.

**Spoletta**

So now the true question is:

Is this enough for terminators? 34 points for a fist and SB termie and 41 for a TH/SS?

**dhallnet**

Insectum7 wrote:

Grav Cannon isn't there, so stays at current price? Very curious.

Grav cost are very curious indeed. Grav gun went down, grav cannon didn't change and grav pistols cost more than inferno pistols...

**Daedalus81**

Karol wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

SoTs are now 34 points with their sword - before guns. That means you're paying 5 points for the force weapon upgrade, which is roughly inline with what force weapons cost.

I dont know, GK don't have DP and tznagors to keep fire away from termintors, and the power weapons rarly get used. No speed buffs in GK armies. 39 with or without weapons is just too much, they maybe should cost 30pts to be good. I mean they made interceptors cost 21 pts and kept strikes with an unchanged point cost.

Plus we are talking about units that were bad before, but tzeench armies don't have to run termintors. For GK termintors make up 50% of the troops they can take. And if strikes cost 19pts and interceptors 21, there is no sense in taking GK troops either. They more or less turned GK in to Draigo+NDK. I mean they even kept the non GM NDK at the same cost while droping the cost of the chapter master version, instead of at least lowering the cost of both of fixing their rules.

You have GMDKs which are down at least 26 when they were already decent. Fisto-AC dreadnoughts are 119 now (Venerables 139). Strikes are also a decent cost, but I get hating having to pay for force weapons when you might not want to.

**Karol**

Spoletta wrote:
So now the true question is:

Is this enough for terminators? 34 points for a fist and SB termie and 41 for a TH/SS?

I hope it isnt enough to make them playable.

Do people think that after this CA a primaris army would be valid without a primaris codex?

**Insectum7**

Also, why are the Bolt Pistol and Chainsword listed if they're staying at 0?

Combi weapons are the same cost as just taking the special. -Hmmm.
Edit:Scratch that. Just Plasma is the same price, the other Combis are +1 pt over corresponding special.

**Karol**

Daedalus81 wrote:

You have GMDKs which are down at least 26 when they were already decent. Fisto-AC dreadnoughts are 119 now (Venerables 139). Strikes are also a decent cost, but I get hating having to pay for force weapons when you might not want to.

I don't think that strikes cost ok. 19pts when interceptors cost 2 pts more, that is like having jumppacks on tacticals for 1 point. Never seen anyone run a AC dread, I know that AC are better then psycannons for every type of unit, but am sure that in a world where plasma just got cheaper any type of elite unit without good speed or super resiliance is going to do well.

Right now if I take my army and use the updates I have points enough take an AC dread, I don't think It would make my army much better. But who knows maybe it is. It is not like tested the changes. But I really expected at least flat 15% points drop on everything. Maybe the CA is going to have some rules update for GK or something.

**Kanluwen**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Some decent changes for Thousand Sons. Lots of rumors were total bs as usual.

I am sort of beside myself, however, that Cultists are 5, but IS and mortars are not even touched.

I feel like, at this point, that it's worth mentioning we are more likely to see an updated Datasheet for the Infantry Squads than we are to see a nerf.

And that's a Good Thing IMO. IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

**Insectum7**

Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable. I'm actually questioning the legitimacy of the document now.

If that's legit Command Squads loaded with Storm Shields and Plasma are in my future. Especially with the drop in Company Veterans cost.

27 points for a Veteran with Plasma and Storm Shield

**Biasn**

Wouldnt it be cool if the designers could give an overview on why they made these changes? Its hard to understand some point updates anyways

**Karol**

Biasn wrote:
Wouldnt it be cool if the designers could give an overview on why they made these changes? Its hard to understand some point updates anyways

that would be really cool.

**Vaktathi**

Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.

Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

**lord_blackfang**

Looks like GW has given up on ever selling any Ork forgeworld models ever again.

**Slipspace**

These changes seem very random. No drop to Tacticals or basic CSM, no increase in IS but they did adjust the points of plasma and melta, but still have melta as more expensive. The Storm Shield change is pretty stupid too. Most units with access to a SS take them where they can, so if anything I'd have argued they needed increased, not massively decreased in cost. I couldn't see any Drukhari points changes either. Have they been left untouched?

It feels like we might be missing something here. Maybe there are more sweeping datasheet changes involved somewhere, but even then I'd still expect adjust points costs to be in the list for those units too. If we aren't missing anything and that's the list, let's just say I'm as underwhelmed as it's possible to be.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Insectum7 wrote:
Also, why are the Bolt Pistol and Chainsword listed if they're staying at 0?

Combi weapons are the same cost as just taking the special. -Hmmm.
Edit:Scratch that. Just Plasma is the same price, the other Combis are +1 pt over corresponding special.

I can't answer the Chainsword, but regarding the Bolt Pistol, at least for Deathwatch, is they were a point each.

Now that they're at zero, I can finally do my dream of JUMPPACK COWBOY SUPER SOLDIERS.

**Insectum7**

So Sternguard and Veterans go down by 2 pts. Tactical Marines appear to stay at 13. I wouldn't have seen that coming.

Maybe some of these adjustments will make more sense when we see what the new formation rules are.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Vaktathi wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.
Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.
Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

Exactly. They just need to fix the price on the Mortars. The question is what IS that price?

Also in completely in disagreement with the Storm Shield change. I'd have been okay with 4 points, and 3 points is super pushing it. At 2 it's almost an auto-include.

**TwinPoleTheory**

I admire GW's consistency though, they've consistently kneecapped Chaos with every update to the game, whether by FAQ or CA, so at least I know what to expect going forward.

**Manous**

So, there are 0 Changes towards Drukhari?
Is this a complete joke?

Or am i missing sth?

**Insectum7**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Also, why are the Bolt Pistol and Chainsword listed if they're staying at 0?

Combi weapons are the same cost as just taking the special. -Hmmm.
Edit:Scratch that. Just Plasma is the same price, the other Combis are +1 pt over corresponding special.

I can't answer the Chainsword, but regarding the Bolt Pistol, at least for Deathwatch, is they were a point each.

Now that they're at zero, I can finally do my dream of JUMPPACK COWBOY SUPER SOLDIERS.

Ok, that sorta makes sense. Basic Marines it's was 0 though. Strange that they'd print it the way they did.

**Eihnlazer**

Im currently assuming that if a model is not included in CA this year you would still use the points from last years CA.

If not, and they really dropped the malanthrope back to 90 points, nids are in a REALLY good spot.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Insectum7 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Also, why are the Bolt Pistol and Chainsword listed if they're staying at 0?

Combi weapons are the same cost as just taking the special. -Hmmm.
Edit:Scratch that. Just Plasma is the same price, the other Combis are +1 pt over corresponding special.

I can't answer the Chainsword, but regarding the Bolt Pistol, at least for Deathwatch, is they were a point each.

Now that they're at zero, I can finally do my dream of JUMPPACK COWBOY SUPER SOLDIERS.

Ok, that sorta makes sense. Basic Marines it's was 0 though. Strange that they'd print it the way they did.

Perhaps a reminder? Beats me.

**Insectum7**

Eihnlazer wrote:
Im currently assuming that if a model is not included in CA this year you would still use the points from last years CA.

If not, and they really dropped the malanthrope back to 90 points, nids are in a REALLY good spot.

I don't see any Forge World in those leaks, so I'm guessing we're missing some info on that front.

**Quickjager**

Insectum7 wrote:
Eihnlazer wrote:
Im currently assuming that if a model is not included in CA this year you would still use the points from last years CA.

If not, and they really dropped the malanthrope back to 90 points, nids are in a REALLY good spot.

I don't see any Forge World in those leaks, so I'm guessing we're missing some info on that front.

Na we got FW values.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Insectum7 wrote:
Eihnlazer wrote:
Im currently assuming that if a model is not included in CA this year you would still use the points from last years CA.

If not, and they really dropped the malanthrope back to 90 points, nids are in a REALLY good spot.

I don't see any Forge World in those leaks, so I'm guessing we're missing some info on that front.

We have SOME leaks, but I hadn't seen all the pages yet. No drops on Marine Special Characters makes me sad for sure if that's the case.

**Spoletta**

Not all of them. We miss some pages for FW, including nids.

**Insectum7**

Quickjager wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Eihnlazer wrote:
Im currently assuming that if a model is not included in CA this year you would still use the points from last years CA.

If not, and they really dropped the malanthrope back to 90 points, nids are in a REALLY good spot.

I don't see any Forge World in those leaks, so I'm guessing we're missing some info on that front.

Na we got FW values.

Haha. I missed the "load more images" button.

**The Newman**

Very, very pleased to see Centurions drop to 40 ppm.