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 Insectum7 wrote:
I will not fully believe these leaks until I have my printed copy and I've seen any related FAQ material.

Yea, I half expect some FAQs along side this.

I'm loving the Chimera price cut - 15 points off of the base model, Heavy Flamers down 3 points, Multilasers down I don't know how many points (5 I think?). I can see them actually contributing now that the budget transport version of them are not 93 points. Hell, a double Heavy Flamer one is now 88 points - less than the old budget one!

I'm scratching my head at the Plasma point cut. Melta I understand, it needed it, but Plasma was doing well enough I thought. And much like everyone else, I expected average Guardsmen going up to 5 points, and it surprises me that they did not.

kurhanik wrote:
I'm loving the Chimera price cut - 15 points off of the base model, Heavy Flamers down 3 points, Multilasers down I don't know how many points (5 I think?). I can see them actually contributing now that the budget transport version of them are not 93 points. Hell, a double Heavy Flamer one is now 88 points - less than the old budget one!

I'm scratching my head at the Plasma point cut. Melta I understand, it needed it, but Plasma was doing well enough I thought. And much like everyone else, I expected average Guardsmen going up to 5 points, and it surprises me that they did not.

Plasma wasn't really making tables despite how often it got brought up in mathhammer.

Chimeras getting a points drop of that level is pretty good for them. I do wonder though what they can carry that would be worth it. Special weapon squads decked out with plasma come to mind.

Karol wrote:
Well still have to live in suprise of GK units costs, but a cheaper special weapon and free normal weapons seem cool

When you say "free normal weapons" are you referring to Strom Bolters?

I can't see them listed at all on those images, does this mean they are now free? Or that they still remain unchanged as per the original (8th ed) codex at 2 points per gun?

BUDFORCE wrote:

Karol wrote:
Well still have to live in suprise of GK units costs, but a cheaper special weapon and free normal weapons seem cool

When you say "free normal weapons" are you referring to Strom Bolters?

I can't see them listed at all on those images, does this mean they are now free? Or that they still remain unchanged as per the original (8th ed) codex at 2 points per gun?

Still 2.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ven dreads with 2 LC and missile are now at efficiency levels though.

145 points for that and a high chance of having re-rolls is alright I suppose. I wonder how it compares to a demolisher tank commander. Tanky boy got a 40 point drop I believe which is BEEFY.

Not sure if it's better than the battlecannon commander who also went down 25 points but yeah...It's crazy I start bringing russes with my space marines to bring them up a little bit then commanders get buffed huge...95 points off my russ supreme command because I was 2 battle cannons and 1 demolishers russ. Totally insane.

It's funny that at face value guard are profiting more from this than Space Marines.

Which army is bottom tier? Which army is top tier?

Although i'm not sure these are the real CA pages or not just yet.

Tank Commanders going down in price is insane.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.

Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

Exactly. They just need to fix the price on the Mortars. The question is what IS that price?

Also in completely in disagreement with the Storm Shield change. I'd have been okay with 4 points, and 3 points is super pushing it. At 2 it's almost an auto-include.

Are you kidding? 2 point 3++ saves is auto include. It was auto include at 5 points. One of the dumbest changes I've ever seen. DW is pretty OP now.

Just deathwatch? Check again, all space marines have SS at 2 points.

 Marmatag wrote:
It's funny that at face value guard are profiting more from this than Space Marines.

Which army is bottom tier? Which army is top tier?

Although i'm not sure these are the real CA pages or not just yet.

My gut says they are real. The tank commander could be bait though.

 Marmatag wrote:
It's funny that at face value guard are profiting more from this than Space Marines.

Which army is bottom tier? Which army is top tier?

Although i'm not sure these are the real CA pages or not just yet.

To be fair, if they are fake, then they've put a good amount of effort into making it look authentic.

It's just different from what I have seen. So, either this is a honeypot, or what i saw was. Just have to wait till it goes on sale.

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.

Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

Exactly. They just need to fix the price on the Mortars. The question is what IS that price?

Also in completely in disagreement with the Storm Shield change. I'd have been okay with 4 points, and 3 points is super pushing it. At 2 it's almost an auto-include.

Are you kidding? 2 point 3++ saves is auto include. It was auto include at 5 points. One of the dumbest changes I've ever seen. DW is pretty OP now.

Just deathwatch? Check again, all space marines have SS at 2 points.

Deathwatch are the ones getting the most out of it though, as even their basic troops can all equip them. That's more the point.

Darsath wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's funny that at face value guard are profiting more from this than Space Marines.

Which army is bottom tier? Which army is top tier?

Although i'm not sure these are the real CA pages or not just yet.

To be fair, if they are fake, then they've put a good amount of effort into making it look authentic.

looking how the pages are formatted i dont think they come from real CA, some datas are dispersed like for example demons. highly probability that's not the true CA

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Some decent changes for Thousand Sons. Lots of rumors were total bs as usual.

I am sort of beside myself, however, that Cultists are 5, but IS and mortars are not even touched.

duuuuuuuuuude. IG got huuuge points reductions... I mean... wow... The Ork codex looks like a nerf compared to all this!

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.

Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

Exactly. They just need to fix the price on the Mortars. The question is what IS that price?

Also in completely in disagreement with the Storm Shield change. I'd have been okay with 4 points, and 3 points is super pushing it. At 2 it's almost an auto-include.

Are you kidding? 2 point 3++ saves is auto include. It was auto include at 5 points. One of the dumbest changes I've ever seen. DW is pretty OP now.

Just deathwatch? Check again, all space marines have SS at 2 points.

DW are the only army other than custodes that I canthink off that can throw a bunch of SS into a unit that is actually killy enough for this to matter.

 blackmage wrote:

Darsath wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
It's funny that at face value guard are profiting more from this than Space Marines.

Which army is bottom tier? Which army is top tier?

Although i'm not sure these are the real CA pages or not just yet.

To be fair, if they are fake, then they've put a good amount of effort into making it look authentic.

looking how the pages are formatted i dont think they come from real CA, some datas are dispersed like for example demons. highly probability that's not the true CA

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I think you're just looking at them our of order. The first daemon section is on the left side of the book and the rest is on the right side of the book.

 blackmage wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
Scrivener and Plague Drones getting nerfed is just such a fething fail for nurgle daemons. How is the scrivener even worth almost 100pts.

nothing change for standard tourney demons army also with scrivener up in points, unless you play lot of plague drones too.
Anyway... we have points but where are all those juicy rules change like for example that -1 to hit became +1 cover?

FLG confirmed those salty rumors were just that. This week's signals doubly stressed that CA2018 only changes points and adds new missions.

 deviantduck wrote:

 blackmage wrote:

Gryphonne wrote:
Scrivener and Plague Drones getting nerfed is just such a fething fail for nurgle daemons. How is the scrivener even worth almost 100pts.

nothing change for standard tourney demons army also with scrivener up in points, unless you play lot of plague drones too.
Anyway... we have points but where are all those juicy rules change like for example that -1 to hit became +1 cover?

FLG confirmed those salty rumors were just that. This week's signals doubly stressed that CA2018 only changes points and adds new missions.

so my 120 Pb's grins and happily enjoy that juicy -1 to hit

All of the rule changes that i heard of were delayed from CA 2018. So, this does not surprise me.

 Marmatag wrote:
All of the rule changes that i heard of were delayed from CA 2018. So, this does not surprise me.

Sooo are GK getting better?

A honeypot seems more likely than a fake, in this case. That said, I think it's wishful thinking that this is a honeypot.

Biggest reasons to think it's a fake:
-Dev Cents didn't get a price hike - that breaks tradition
-Clearly, Spears needed a price drop and got a hike - clearly a fake!

Pancakey wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
All of the rule changes that i heard of were delayed from CA 2018. So, this does not surprise me.

Sooo are GK getting better?

Certainly. We just have to wait for the release of the Nemesis pattern Delorean so that GK can go back in time to 5E.

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 Xenomancers wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
IS never should have been able to get Mortars in the first damn place.

Why shouldn't they have access to them? They've had access to them for every edition of 40k.

This is just the first edition that they've ever been a functional weapon and where people actually bothered to use them

 Insectum7 wrote:
Ok, the new price for Storm Shields on non-characters is unbelievable.

Yeah I just saw that, 2ppm for a 3++ is insane

Exactly. They just need to fix the price on the Mortars. The question is what IS that price?

Also in completely in disagreement with the Storm Shield change. I'd have been okay with 4 points, and 3 points is super pushing it. At 2 it's almost an auto-include.

Are you kidding? 2 point 3++ saves is auto include. It was auto include at 5 points. One of the dumbest changes I've ever seen. DW is pretty OP now.

Just deathwatch? Check again, all space marines have SS at 2 points.

DW are the only army other than custodes that I canthink off that can throw a bunch of SS into a unit that is actually killy enough for this to matter.

I'm thinking SM Command Squads with Plasma and Storm Shields, for which every item there got a cut. Two squads of that in a Pod is a pretty threatening drop.

Yeah, how come none of the standard marines got any points reduction? To the point the Chaplain and Captain are like only a few pts less that the primaris version. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Why the feth would they make plasma guns cheaper!?

no price drop on standard tac marines makes me really sad :(

 lolman1c wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Some decent changes for Thousand Sons. Lots of rumors were total bs as usual.

I am sort of beside myself, however, that Cultists are 5, but IS and mortars are not even touched.

duuuuuuuuuude. IG got huuuge points reductions... I mean... wow... The Ork codex looks like a nerf compared to all this!

To be fair, most of them were warranted for the stuff that got it, as many issues as people have with the book a lot of it just isnt very good. Chimeras, Armored Sentinels, Hydras, Demolishers, Deathstrikes, etc all needed some help.

The Tank Commander getting a 25pt decrease however was ah...riduculous, and I have no idea why GW felt that was necessary

dahnarius wrote:
no price drop on standard tac marines makes me really sad :(

Think of it as being spread around the weapons options.