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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Yeah 4 attacks with a Power Fiat or Thunder Hammer is something I'd rather have than 5 attacks with a Power Sword. Plus Jump Pack or Terminator armor.

I'll make a case for the Gravis Captain, but I don't feel there's much point to the regular Primaris Captain.

How about 5 power fist attacks with the birthday build? A bit easier to achieve now from kitbashing with the IF sprue coming.
Still subpar (since I'd love for him to be dangerous at range too). Plasma pistol kind of a weird choice - really wish it was just a mw instead of slain. He's much cheaper now, though!

I'm a little perplexed as to why hotshot lasguns went to 0.

So twin las is now cheaper than twin AC. May have to rethink my Corvus loadout

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm a little perplexed as to why hotshot lasguns went to 0.

Slight points decrease for scions, removes problems like the vox caster being more points. Makes maximum squads a bit cheaper.

That Sternguard decrease came out of nowhere.

I'm genuinely thinking of getting the loyal 32 now and just using Sternguard as my marines

Nobz been strength 5 was the exsact same argument people used when the indexes were leaked and the marines power fist was cheaper than the klaw. Look how well that turned out for index nobz units...

 lolman1c wrote:
Nobz been strength 5 was the exsact same argument people used when the indexes were leaked and the marines power fist was cheaper than the klaw. Look how well that turned out for index nobz units...

I'm just saying I'm expecting some consistency from people who say it's okay for Imperial Guard to pay cheaper for all their wargear. That's all.

Are any of you Ork player surprised with this latest development?

We know we can't have nice things. It has been this way for so long we should be used to it by now.

The writing on the wall was when we found Boyz were increasing in cost and base size. It was obvious this would happen.

Oh well, that one tournament we won sure was a good result boyz. Let's enjoy our sweet area of the meta - middling to low. I can tell you for a fact that the Vigilus formations won't help.

This CA is really disappointing and shows how little GW understand about their own game. It's embarrassing really.

Yep. GW doesn't get it. Sell your armies guys. Let me know when they're on Ebay.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Yep. GW doesn't get it. Sell your armies guys. Let me know when they're on Ebay.

I've always wanted to start an ork army.

Ah, the typical inane trolling of 'hurr durr if you don't like something sell your army that you've invested a ton of time and money into for a pittance.'

I'll remember this comment when the nerf bat next hits TS and you express any disappointment.

I never understand selling an army when it is nerfed. Surely that is the worst time to sell, as the value is lowest?

Me neither. My army has been in the gutter all of 8th, and I still wouldn't think of selling it, infact I've been expanding it with some new stuff.

fe40k wrote:
orks lol

If this CA is real, it just shows how hard the Imperial bias really is - not that that’s surprising, but...

Seriously though, Orks.

I think it's actually much clearer what your bias is. GW I would say still mostly favors Eldar, but it's impossible to know THAT one for sure.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Ah, the typical inane trolling of 'hurr durr if you don't like something sell your army that you've invested a ton of time and money into for a pittance.'

I'll remember this comment when the nerf bat next hits TS and you express any disappointment.

lol nah

Because I'm capable from divorcing my desires from the possibilities or pretending that I have all the answers. I also won't expect that a Klaw that has more base attacks and strength would get an immediate price cut. Or that by GW spending 95% of CA buffing weak units that it all of a sudden makes my army weak and unviable despite going 6-0 and taking 1st at a major tournament or 4-1 and taking second.

And I'm sorry to be really snarky, but I'm just so fething over the whining.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm a little perplexed as to why hotshot lasguns went to 0.

Maybe one reason is only one unit can take them, they're fixed equipment and they just added the cost of their fixed equipment to their base cost.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm a little perplexed as to why hotshot lasguns went to 0.

Maybe one reason is only one unit can take them, they're fixed equipment and they just added the cost of their fixed equipment to their base cost.

Mmm no. Scions are still 9. But I'm not gonna say anything because I'm hoping to put together a little scion detechment, which I guess the specialist detachment will influence

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm a little perplexed as to why hotshot lasguns went to 0.

Maybe one reason is only one unit can take them, they're fixed equipment and they just added the cost of their fixed equipment to their base cost.

Did they? I didn't see that anywhere unless I'm blind?

The free hotshot is great because now I can outfit all my Krieg NCO's and up with hslg for free, and have a full riflemen squad for free.

 Trickstick wrote:
I never understand selling an army when it is nerfed. Surely that is the worst time to sell, as the value is lowest?

Stock market crashes are full of people that sell low, and bubbles about to burst are full of people that buy high. Emotion is not smart or rational.

Just worked through the math, my 1000 pt old-marine list drops a whopping 41 points.

My 1000 pt mostly Primaris list drops a more respectable 144 points, but that list has Centurions in it.

So scions are going to be silly again. With points costs so low on taurox prime weapons they will be great anchors for deep striking plasma squads. 118 for Taurox Battlecannon and 2 autocannons, so d6 s7 -2 dd3 shots and 4 s7 -1 d2 that get exploding dice at half (24") range. Neat. Add yarrik for reroll bubble and 6 of those buggers will spew hot death. Then the scions land and plasmadeth the survivors.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The writing on the wall was when we found Boyz were increasing in cost and base size. It was obvious this would happen.

Wait, this whole mess is still going on?

I thought that picture proving you can get the same amount of rows in combat with 25 and 33 mm bases put it to rest months ago.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not GW that doesn't understand the game?

Too many whiny babies in this thread. Orks are better than they've been in years. They've got really awesome strats, great klan kulture bonuses, awesome new models, and still nothing but complain, complain, complain. I'm confident they are just fine even with other armies getting a bit of help in CA 2018. Space Marines really needed the help; they've been languishing since fairly early in 8th edition (once some more of the codexes came out and were flat out better). I admit there are some disappointing things, including Guardsmen staying at 4 ppm and Tzaangors staying at 7 while Tactical Marines stayed at 13, but otherwise I think the game will be better overall from this. It hasn't been long enough for all of the good builds to shake out of the Ork codex yet; keep experimenting and trying new units/combos, and maybe actually try to see the glass as half full for once (that last part goes for everyone, not just salty Ork players!).

The change to Rubrics and SOT doesn't have me all that excited to be honest. However the change to Mutaliths has my wheels turning I have been wondering how to fit more leadership debuffs into my list to make Treason of Tzeentch more reliable. At 125 points this may just be what I was looking for.

StarHunter25 wrote:
So scions are going to be silly again. With points costs so low on taurox prime weapons they will be great anchors for deep striking plasma squads. 118 for Taurox Battlecannon and 2 autocannons, so d6 s7 -2 dd3 shots and 4 s7 -1 d2 that get exploding dice at half (24") range. Neat. Add yarrik for reroll bubble and 6 of those buggers will spew hot death. Then the scions land and plasmadeth the survivors.

We are a legitimate faction that has four units that we can completely claim. This is GW giving us our proper killing power since we lack fast attack, heavy support. Feth to Yarrick.

My 1500pt Deathwatch list for a tourny in a couple of weeks is now 154pts cheaper. We won't be using CA though, so too bad for me!

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Too many whiny babies in this thread. Orks are better than they've been in years. They've got really awesome strats, great klan kulture bonuses, awesome new models, and still nothing but complain, complain, complain. I'm confident they are just fine even with other armies getting a bit of help in CA 2018. Space Marines really needed the help; they've been languishing since fairly early in 8th edition (once some more of the codexes came out and were flat out better). I admit there are some disappointing things, including Guardsmen staying at 4 ppm and Tzaangors staying at 7 while Tactical Marines stayed at 13, but otherwise I think the game will be better overall from this. It hasn't been long enough for all of the good builds to shake out of the Ork codex yet; keep experimenting and trying new units/combos, and maybe actually try to see the glass as half full for once (that last part goes for everyone, not just salty Ork players!).

Orkz are literally exactly where we have been for a decade, mid to bottom tier. We got good strats, we got 1 good kulture and 2 ok kultures, the rest are meh at best. We did get awesome new models, I will never deny that. What we got from our new Codex was a 1 trick pony army that relies exclusively on turn 2 charges to function. We got a bunch of shooting buffs for units that suck so badly that without investing 6CP a turn in them they aren't worth taking. We got our bread and butter troop choice increased in price. Our Competitive lists on average went up well over 200pts (Mine went up 200pts just in Mek Gunz).

Our PKs cost more than Imperial Power Fists, Our Burna's cost more than Flamers, our Skorcha's cost more than Heavy Flamers, our Kustom Shoota costs as much as a Storm Bolter but is worse. Hell, we can now take a Killa Kan with a Big Shoota for 45pts, a Imperial Guard player can take a armored sentinel which is Faster, Tougher, More Wounds, better Leadership, Better WS and a Multi Laser which has more Strength for 35pts. (Multi Laser: S6 Ranged 36 3 shots COST? 5pts. Big Shoota: S5, Ranged 36 3 shots cost? 5pts.) a Chimera has more Toughness a better save better ballistic skill and better weapons and costs as much as a trukk. Our Warbikers cost as much as a Space Marine Biker.....

So yeah we are a bit pissed that we are yet again paying premium points for units which are worse or as good at best as imperial equivalents.

 bullyboy wrote:
My 1500pt Deathwatch list for a tourny in a couple of weeks is now 154pts cheaper. We won't be using CA though, so too bad for me!

Out of curiosity, do you have a link to your list?

Lemondish wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
My 1500pt Deathwatch list for a tourny in a couple of weeks is now 154pts cheaper. We won't be using CA though, so too bad for me!

Out of curiosity, do you have a link to your list?

not a link, but

WC, TH/SS, bp
Libby, stave, bp
6 Vets, 5 stalkers, 2 SS, 1 HB
5 Vets, Xeno/SB, 2 SB/SS, 2 frag, term w SB/PM, VV w bp/cs
5 Vets, Xeno/SB, 2 SB/SS, 2 frag, term w SB/PM, VV w PM/SS
Corvus, twin AC, blackstar launchers, HB, Infernum
2 ven Dreads, twin las, ML
Razorback, twin las, HK

1500pts on nose, would be 1346pts with new changes