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deviantduck wrote: Do you need the second dialogus since the Arcos are also elites?
Nevermind, battle conclave.
So what's the legality of using 3x 3 arco flaggelants to satisfy the Elite slots of a brigade if you have a Priest in a separate detachment? I get the usefulness of the Arco's stratagem would be diminished.
In the ITC it would just be too easy to kill them for Butchers bill and such. But you could? I don't see the value in doing it because even if they were just used as your Engineers (again talking ITC lingo here) there are less expensive and more hearty solutions. So I think the one shot at glory with Uriah and the Stratagem is the way to go. 9 Arcos will do 48 wounds to an Ork unit. Its pretty spectacular to watch.
I see the ITC hurdle of giving up free butchers bill points, but we give those up anyway. it's not hard to kill off MSU. Granted the strat would be almost worthless on a 3 man unit, but as a player who doesn't give a crap about our acts of faith, I see them as a better value than 90 points in dialogi. I'd probably go the hospitaler route before a diologus. Both are bad choices.
My list doesn't give up butchers bill so easily. Large units or tough units everywhere you look. You can't stop it forever of course and whose to say another objective wouldn't be as easy. But the pattern has been that i give up 2-3 Butchers Bills a game and that's fine. That's 1-2 points more i don't have to overcome. i also use both the Act of Faith and the INsane Bravery to rob them of ANY kills in some rounds, which is pretty sweet. I did that in my last game against Adeptus mechanicus.
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
deviantduck wrote: Do you need the second dialogus since the Arcos are also elites?
Nevermind, battle conclave.
So what's the legality of using 3x 3 arco flaggelants to satisfy the Elite slots of a brigade if you have a Priest in a separate detachment? I get the usefulness of the Arco's stratagem would be diminished.
if memory serves me, you can only have 1 Battle Conclave unit in a Matched Play detachment unless you have a priest.
deviantduck wrote: Do you need the second dialogus since the Arcos are also elites?
Nevermind, battle conclave.
So what's the legality of using 3x 3 arco flaggelants to satisfy the Elite slots of a brigade if you have a Priest in a separate detachment? I get the usefulness of the Arco's stratagem would be diminished.
if memory serves me, you can only have 1 Battle Conclave unit in a Matched Play detachment unless you have a priest.
Uriah is a Priest but yes.
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Jancoran wrote: I'm 10-1 with the current build. It hasn't evolved much since the last change. The Arcos continue to be super stars or superduds but when they go off its REALLY impressive so I am sticking with them for now.
Adepta Sororitas Brigade: Order of the Ebon Chalice.
19 Units, 99 PL, 14 Command Points, 9 Faith Points, 2000pts, 102 models
3 UNITS OF Exorcist [7 PL, 131pts]: Hunter-killer missile [6pts]
4 UNITS OF: Battle Sister Squad [8 PL, 179pts]
. 10x Battle Sister [90pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Simulacrum [19pts]: Simulacrum Imperialis [10pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Sister Superior [24pts]: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta [15pts]
Battle Sister Red Squad [8 PL, 172pts]
. 10x Battle Sister [90pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Simulacrum [19pts]: Simulacrum Imperialis [10pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Sister Superior [17pts]: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer [8pts]
Battle Sister Purple Squad [4 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Battle Sister [18pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [15pts]: Flamer [6pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [15pts]: Flamer [6pts]
. Sister Superior [11pts]: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter [2pts]
Dialogus [1 PL, 30pts]
Dialogus [1 PL, 30pts]
Mistress of Repentance [2 PL, 35pts]: Book of St. Lucius, Warlord Trait: Indomitable Belief
ACTS OF FAITH:
3+ Start of Move, heals d3 wounds, or resurrects one model
3+ Start of Psychic, 4+ FnP vs. Psychic Mortal wounds.
3+ Start of Morale, Auto Pass morale
4+ Start of Move, add 3” to move characteristic
4+ Start of Shooting, Add +1 to hit Rolls
5+ Start of Fight, Choose to Fight twice.
You must have the sickest exorcists rolls of all time for that list to kill anything before turn 3.
Looks like a list I would fall asleep playing and my GSC would have a field day playing against. I'm glad its working for you Jancoran, but it wouldn't in my area.
deviantduck wrote: Do you need the second dialogus since the Arcos are also elites?
Nevermind, battle conclave.
So what's the legality of using 3x 3 arco flaggelants to satisfy the Elite slots of a brigade if you have a Priest in a separate detachment? I get the usefulness of the Arco's stratagem would be diminished.
if memory serves me, you can only have 1 Battle Conclave unit in a Matched Play detachment unless you have a priest.
Yup nailed it.
MATCHED PLAY RULE
If you are using a Battle-forged
army in a matched play game,
the following rule applies:
PRIESTLY DELEGATION
A Detachment that does not
include any MINISTORUM
PRIESTS can only include
one ECCLESIARCHY BATTLE
CONCLAVE unit.
So in order to have 3 arco units you have to have a priest. As soon as you have a priest the 3 arcos no longer count as elites.
deviantduck wrote: Do you need the second dialogus since the Arcos are also elites?
Nevermind, battle conclave.
So what's the legality of using 3x 3 arco flaggelants to satisfy the Elite slots of a brigade if you have a Priest in a separate detachment? I get the usefulness of the Arco's stratagem would be diminished.
if memory serves me, you can only have 1 Battle Conclave unit in a Matched Play detachment unless you have a priest.
Yup nailed it.
MATCHED PLAY RULE
If you are using a Battle-forged
army in a matched play game,
the following rule applies:
PRIESTLY DELEGATION
A Detachment that does not
include any MINISTORUM
PRIESTS can only include
one ECCLESIARCHY BATTLE
CONCLAVE unit.
So in order to have 3 arco units you have to have a priest. As soon as you have a priest the 3 arcos no longer count as elites.
I don't even know that I follow the logic. Is the unit so powerful that it would be a game breaker if it could be spammed in pursuit of a Brigade? Would a Preacher and two units of Arcos (minimum requirements) or Preacher/Dialogus/three Arcos (maximum) be so strong that they had to say "fine, then no CP bonus for filling the slot" if that's the build you choose? Seems like a needlessly complex restriction, but I'm open to a good explanation. Also, do other armies have similar?
MacPhail wrote: I don't even know that I follow the logic. Is the unit so powerful that it would be a game breaker if it could be spammed in pursuit of a Brigade? Would a Preacher and two units of Arcos (minimum requirements) or Preacher/Dialogus/three Arcos (maximum) be so strong that they had to say "fine, then no CP bonus for filling the slot" if that's the build you choose? Seems like a needlessly complex restriction, but I'm open to a good explanation. Also, do other armies have similar?
No other army has it, and i have no idea why they did it, b.c they are not that strong.
I feel like it was an answer to opening up our overpopulated elite section. A number of formations limit you to only 3 slots.
Say for example you don't want to take a Vanguard detachment because you want more cp from a battalion. There's only 3 slots available and a million choices to make.
Add in a priest and you can throw in 3x units of Arco, crusader and dca each and still have 2 slots to spare. Take a repentia squad for another slot and bang, free slot mistress and another elite slot still to spare with still more choices available to fill it.
A sisters battalion can legally have up to 14 elite units in it.
As for the single battle conclave unit without a priest thing. Sounds like a fluff thing. Not against it myself.
Edit: spelling
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Jancoran wrote: I'm 10-1 with the current build. It hasn't evolved much since the last change. The Arcos continue to be super stars or superduds but when they go off its REALLY impressive so I am sticking with them for now.
Adepta Sororitas Brigade: Order of the Ebon Chalice.
19 Units, 99 PL, 14 Command Points, 9 Faith Points, 2000pts, 102 models
3 UNITS OF Exorcist [7 PL, 131pts]: Hunter-killer missile [6pts]
4 UNITS OF: Battle Sister Squad [8 PL, 179pts]
. 10x Battle Sister [90pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Simulacrum [19pts]: Simulacrum Imperialis [10pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Sister Superior [24pts]: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta [15pts]
Battle Sister Red Squad [8 PL, 172pts]
. 10x Battle Sister [90pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Simulacrum [19pts]: Simulacrum Imperialis [10pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [23pts]: Meltagun [14pts]
. Sister Superior [17pts]: Bolt pistol, Combi-flamer [8pts]
Battle Sister Purple Squad [4 PL, 59pts]
. 2x Battle Sister [18pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon [15pts]: Flamer [6pts]
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon [15pts]: Flamer [6pts]
. Sister Superior [11pts]: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter [2pts]
Dialogus [1 PL, 30pts]
Dialogus [1 PL, 30pts]
Mistress of Repentance [2 PL, 35pts]: Book of St. Lucius, Warlord Trait: Indomitable Belief
ACTS OF FAITH:
3+ Start of Move, heals d3 wounds, or resurrects one model
3+ Start of Psychic, 4+ FnP vs. Psychic Mortal wounds.
3+ Start of Morale, Auto Pass morale
4+ Start of Move, add 3” to move characteristic
4+ Start of Shooting, Add +1 to hit Rolls
5+ Start of Fight, Choose to Fight twice.
You must have the sickest exorcists rolls of all time for that list to kill anything before turn 3.
Looks like a list I would fall asleep playing and my GSC would have a field day playing against. I'm glad its working for you Jancoran, but it wouldn't in my area.
I don't think so.
I think the tired argument that "my meta is tons different than yours" is a lark if you're playing competitively like we do. Same codex, and if you play in the ITC, same motivations for taking units. "friendly" metas can say that stuff, but competitive ones, not so much.
The Castellan+IG of the world are going to make a joke out of most lists they face, so it doesn't matter which meta you face them in. Similarly Ynnari are going to do the same if they are the Shining Spear netlist or some approximation of it (although looking at the LVO standings its pretty obvious that you can run Ynnari a number of ways).
So outside of THOSE particular issues, which would be issues no matter HOW my list read... I have encountered no significant issues facing anything. Even orks which tore me up, were tabled for their troubles.
Calling it boring doesn't mean it doesn't work. And yes: It will work anywhere. It will also be victimized anywhere by the boogeyman lists; becuase they are what they are, and we are what we are. The beta Codex does have it's issues, the most significant of which is Acts of Faith not going off.
The one I lost to was to a Genestealer cult army that used 3 Vultures. I mean... I don't think I need to feel bad about losing to that anyways, as it was played by Colin Sherman who is EXCELLENT. And had my acts of Faith gone off (which they inexplicably and repeatedly failed to do in that game) I'd have an even better record despite the Vulture shenanigans.
You can argue with me of course. At 10-1 in a competitive ITC heavy meta, I guess I don't have much more i can tell you than that it works just fine. I did battle reports on most of them if you have an interest in reading them? if not I understand. Reading is out of vogue as Battle Reports go.
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MacPhail wrote: I don't even know that I follow the logic. Is the unit so powerful that it would be a game breaker if it could be spammed in pursuit of a Brigade? Would a Preacher and two units of Arcos (minimum requirements) or Preacher/Dialogus/three Arcos (maximum) be so strong that they had to say "fine, then no CP bonus for filling the slot" if that's the build you choose? Seems like a needlessly complex restriction, but I'm open to a good explanation. Also, do other armies have similar?
Arco-Flagellents are spectacular killers.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Jancoran wrote: I think the tired argument that "my meta is tons different than yours" is a lark if you're playing competitively like we do. Same codex, and if you play in the ITC, same motivations for taking units. "friendly" metas can say that stuff, but competitive ones, not so much.
You are right of course, assuming the "competitive" Meta you play in allows you to play ten of eleven games against armies that aren't those boogeyman lists you mentioned? You point out that any pure Sisters list will get stuffed by Castellen+32 and Ynnari net lists of the world, are you not counting those losses in your 10-1 record? Or are you beating them or just not playing against them?
I'd appreciate a link to the Batrep's. I play against a lot of Imperial Soup and Ynnari lists (60-70%) with the rest being the nastier mid tier lists. Any pointers on how to go 10-1 with Sisters at all, much less foot Sisters, against the Boogeyman lists would be much appreciated.
Jancoran wrote: I think the tired argument that "my meta is tons different than yours" is a lark if you're playing competitively like we do. Same codex, and if you play in the ITC, same motivations for taking units. "friendly" metas can say that stuff, but competitive ones, not so much.
You are right of course, assuming the "competitive" Meta you play in allows you to play ten of eleven games against armies that aren't those boogeyman lists you mentioned? You point out that any pure Sisters list will get stuffed by Castellen+32 and Ynnari net lists of the world, are you not counting those losses in your 10-1 record? Or are you beating them or just not playing against them?
I'd appreciate a link to the Batrep's. I play against a lot of Imperial Soup and Ynnari lists (60-70%) with the rest being the nastier mid tier lists. Any pointers on how to go 10-1 with Sisters at all, much less foot Sisters, against the Boogeyman lists would be much appreciated.
I'm in the same boat. I'm pretty sure if I showed up to any local tourneys with that, or any, foot slogging list, and I'd be tabled turn 3 before I did anything of value.
Jancoran wrote: I think the tired argument that "my meta is tons different than yours" is a lark if you're playing competitively like we do. Same codex, and if you play in the ITC, same motivations for taking units. "friendly" metas can say that stuff, but competitive ones, not so much.
You are right of course, assuming the "competitive" Meta you play in allows you to play ten of eleven games against armies that aren't those boogeyman lists you mentioned? You point out that any pure Sisters list will get stuffed by Castellen+32 and Ynnari net lists of the world, are you not counting those losses in your 10-1 record? Or are you beating them or just not playing against them?
I'd appreciate a link to the Batrep's. I play against a lot of Imperial Soup and Ynnari lists (60-70%) with the rest being the nastier mid tier lists. Any pointers on how to go 10-1 with Sisters at all, much less foot Sisters, against the Boogeyman lists would be much appreciated.
Yes i played against a Castellan +32 list. 4 Knight list. I played against a Ynnari. I played against Orks. I told you there are battle reports for a bunch of them. I honestly don't think I did one for the Knight game. That game was basically him rushing me to try and blow up near me or kill me, and me firing a ton of meltas into him. He killed about everything I had, but the Seraphim basically won it for me on objectives.
I have not played the true IG+ Castellan list like at the LVO w my sisters. Not yet.
Here is the recap of the Ynnari game, if you're interested.
The Ynnari game was the toughest actually for my army. His plan was to shoot or charge one thing dead at point blank range, which would give him a free charge, and then he would charge another unit with his Shining spears buffed to the max by the Warlock and so on that same turn. I knew the drill.
Unfortunately for him, I have 14 sisters of battle with 4+ invul saves and so when he tried it, he failed to kill on the shoot. So then he charged but the same problem: 4+ invul saves. I deployed in two columns so he couldn't wrap me, which played big. I killed a spear on overwatch, which was nice, and then he tore me up. His consolidation wasn't enough to wrap me because of the way I had used two columns. Canoness heroic intervention helped that. His Reapers had been a little more successful in their turn one. They used the Psyker and shooting phase to kill an entire squad down (Snipers finished it) and then he hid the Reapers with a Stratagem. =( Ouch.
On my turn I ended his Spear unit with combined fire (Vessel of the Emperor!) followed by lots of charging. He interrupted the charge after the Arcos hit, with 2 CP, to try and kill Celestine but she saved like a boss and there wasn't much left of them after the Arcos anyways. She attacked twice which was the death blow for the Spears.
The Exorcists tore into his Rangers after I shot some bolters into a different Ranger Squad on an objective. H predictaly used his stratagem to make the bolters hit on 6's. So immediately I changed targets and the combined Exorcist fire blew an entire squad of Rangers off the further right objective. Yus.
The Reapers popped up again and did their thing, crippling one of the Exorcists in the Psyker phase and then finishing it in the shooting phase along with some extra shots sent the way of another exorcist (these did nothing). His jetbike commander and Jain Zar blasted into my rear sisters but the Jetbiker got zorched by Melta overwatch (I re-rolled damage to gank him, hehehe). Epic. Jain Zar had deepstruck and started in on my engineers (My Purple squad in the list I posted). Lucky wench turned them into swiss cheese. I used a Faith Point to save the last one from running so I could get my Engineer point. His second group of spears did the same exact thing as before and since the Exorcist was gone, he was going to try and wrap me again. He tried to shoot a wounded exorcist with his Spears to trigger his Ynnarri thing, but its T8 held up along with its invul saves, though it was badly damaged. Here again, the beat down was pretty decent by the spears but I used a Faith Point to save the unit from auto-morale failing and because I had formation'd up, and they again couldn't hook me because they just killed too many t stay engaged.
On my turn the remaining two exorcists and all of my sisters used Vessel of the Emperor (3CP) and crushed the Shining spears along with charges from Celestine and the Canoness and uriah and the Arco-Flagellents (2CP) Jain Zar got blasted by some meltas.
My Seraphim alighted and used the Stratagem to burninate 12 inches (1 CP). They killed a small unit of rangers after charging them, taking their objective. I killed a second unit of Rangers (his final one) with the two other Seraphim even though he used that same stratagem to try and save them. The charge finished the job. Turns out Seraphim can at least fight an Eldar Ranger.
At this stage he didn't have much left. His Reapers eliminated a unit of sisters (the one that had been battered by the previous battle) in the Psyker phase and tried to reap Celestine who now was the closest target because of where she had to go to make the charge. He killed her, but she resurrected. He maxed out his Kingslayer though. His characters were exposed so he jumped them into the Seraphim squad that killed his closest rangers and slew them with his Ynnari character Yvraine, retaking that objective. He wasn't close enough to charge the others but he laid into them with his guardians and killed all but one in one unit and one in another. I used a Faith Point to save one from morale. Made the other.
At this stage, I used a Ressurection Faith point to get another Flame pistol back and then the Seraphim converged, killing the small unit of Guardians in his backfield and retaking the objectives (morale popped). The two-man Seraphim squad were out of line of sight of the Reapers due to the building and so they managed a charge into the Reapers to lock them up and survived the resulting combat, although they killed none and lost one again. Free to move up, the Sisters of Battle did so en masse (well...as much mass as they had left). The crippled Exorcist and unwounded one fired at Yvraine who was like Celestine a little exposed. Because they had to move to make her the closest target I only got two missiles to hit and she bounced one. It did 4 damage. Not much else happened since There was so much distance to cross. Mostly advancing to get closer.
Reapers and Maugan Ra killed the Seraphim and freed the Reapers. That was most of what happened. There really weren't any other units around except his Wave Serpent which had been sort of floating around to hide his characters/Reapers in if they got in trouble. It had taken pot shots all game but hadn't left the roost so it jetted to an objective and took it, which was a good use of it. But then it took a pot shot at the Exorcist that was wounded and killed it! ugh. it exploded killing a couple Sisters. Stupid Wave Serpent.
On my turn the last exorcist and Sisters really had only one target. The Reapers and his characters were all cloistered safely in their building having defeated my Seraphim. So Celestine used the +3" move Act of Faith and went at Vraine and the Reapers, killing Yvraine and locking up the Reapers again. Maugan Ra made a heroic intervention to help but Celestine only took 4 wounds from him. Emperor Protects. Couldn't attack twice or I might have killed him also. =( the sisters of Battle basically fired every Bolter they had and the one melta that could reach the Wave Serpent, along with the Exorcist. The Wave Serpent took it like a champ. I think i did maybe 3 wounds to it in total, but it had nowhere to run now and nothing else to control that objective with.
The Ynnari player conceded. While he might have killed some Sisters and might have ripped up Celstine for good (not my Warlord) with Maugan Ra, it was inevitable that he would lose the objective battle. Any remaining sisters were going to be upon his Reapers and Maugan Ra on my turn with a bevy of meltaguns and bad intentions. I had maxed out engineers, would max out old school and had maxed out Kingslayer.
Battle Sister Victory. Keys were the Arco-Flagellents. I'm pretty confident he wanted to bounce kill them. 54 attacks at -1, STR 5 with re-rolls? Yeah he wanted them dead. They really saved my bacon. All praise Uriah and his hard hitting buddies. They did over 30 wounds on the charge (obviously he got his saves), just them, which was quite impressive. I lost an absolute boat load of Sisters on the charges and such but they held JUST ENOUGH and I credit my Column deployment for saving them from being trapped. i think him wanting to buff up the Shining Spears BEFORE sending them forth (in turn 1 and turn 2) allowed me to deal with one unit at a time. Had he just said "F it" and sent one unbuffed, it might have changed things, but also made those units a lot easier to kill. So i don't know what the answer is there.
Overall a very bloody battle. Don't know how often i want to face that army, but if i have to do it, I'm taking Arco-Flagellents every time. Nothing else does that much volume of damage in one go for us.
Jancoran wrote: I think the tired argument that "my meta is tons different than yours" is a lark if you're playing competitively like we do. Same codex, and if you play in the ITC, same motivations for taking units. "friendly" metas can say that stuff, but competitive ones, not so much.
You are right of course, assuming the "competitive" Meta you play in allows you to play ten of eleven games against armies that aren't those boogeyman lists you mentioned? You point out that any pure Sisters list will get stuffed by Castellen+32 and Ynnari net lists of the world, are you not counting those losses in your 10-1 record? Or are you beating them or just not playing against them?
I'd appreciate a link to the Batrep's. I play against a lot of Imperial Soup and Ynnari lists (60-70%) with the rest being the nastier mid tier lists. Any pointers on how to go 10-1 with Sisters at all, much less foot Sisters, against the Boogeyman lists would be much appreciated.
deviantduck wrote: I'm in the same boat. I'm pretty sure if I showed up to any local tourneys with that, or any, foot slogging list, and I'd be tabled turn 3 before I did anything of value.
Exactly. It's good to hear though that some players get opponents who don't seem to adjust their tactics according to the army they are facing.
I'm in the same boat. I'm pretty sure if I showed up to any local tourneys with that, or any, foot slogging list, and I'd be tabled turn 3 before I did anything of value.
I can't imagine that happening. But the test is easy. Just try it. I mean I play a lot more than most and so I get a lot more practice than most with them. Hell these games have all been in the last...two months?
It won't be the dire thing you predict. If you own the models (and you may not, which is fair) give it a shot.
Exactly. It's good to hear though that some players get opponents who don't seem to adjust their tactics according to the army they are facing.
Thanks for the Batreps Jancoran!
The old "opponent strength" well is a pretty dry place. Especially around here. =)
Perhaps reading them will give you some ideas. A lot of people literally don't own the models to do a list like that, and so they just don't. But it is pretty much as I predicted here at the beginning of the codex: a committed horde sisters or a mechanized approach were the two ways I saw it working. The results using almost completely mechanized versions were...disappointing. I was quite beside myself about that. I got to 7-4 and threw up my hands in disgust. Even the wins were disappointing (well except against actual Knight armies, because good lord did I steam roll 2 of those with the mech'd version).
I'll keep chugging along with it. I play a lot of armies actively. This one is being good to me. Better even than my T'au are right now.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
So one of my LGS is holding a 1250 pt tournament using LGS simplified missions. I've been considering running the following:
BLOODY ROSE BATTALION:
Canoness- inferno pistol, Blade of Admonition, Righteous Rage- 56
Saint Celestine- 160
5 Battle Sisters- 2 storm bolters, Sister Superior w. storm bolter- 51
5 Battle Sisters- 2 storm bolters, Sister Superior w. storm bolter- 51
5 Battle Sisters- 2 storm bolters, Sister Superior w. storm bolter- 51
Preacher- chainsword- 25
8 Arco-Flagellants- 120
2 Geminae Superia- 50
7 Seraphim- 2 pairs of inferno pistols- 105
5 Retributors- 4 heavy bolters- 85
Exorcist- 125
Immolator- Immolation flamers- 98
Immolator- Immolation flamers- 98
Immolator- Immolation flamers- 98
Rhino- 2 storm bolters- 77
TOTAL: 1250
The general idea is, my mobile stuff zooms around to grab objectives or shoot stuff down as needed, Arcos are there to assault or counter-punch, Seraphim will go vehicle hunting, screen Celestine and/or tie up big nasties as needed; Exos and Rets are obviously there for supporting fire. The Canoness will go after the meanest enemy character or monster or vehicle she can find and chop it to bits.
Any thoughts on this list? In particular, I'm debating the following:
-Going for a standard Indomitable Belief Canoness instead with either the Book or the Brazier (or, for an interesting change of pace, trying the Wrath of the Emperor)
-Dropping something in favour of another Exorcist, although 2 Exorcists plus Celestine at 1250 points feels cheesy.
-Maybe using Dominions instead of Seraphim, and/or heavy flamer Rets
I am open to suggestions. I have no idea what I might be facing, although I know that there are two Blood Angel and one Chaos regulars there.
I'd say everything in your list will function at or above its points value except the Geminae, the IP Seraphim, and maybe the Retributers. The Geminae just don't hit very hard, Seraphim get shredded crossing the table, and HB Rets aren't what they used to be. Trading in some combination of those for some melta Dominions in a transport or a second Exorcist would give you more reliable anti-tank. If Seraphim come at all, they're okay with flamers and Burning Descent to grab a late objective, but I'd go with Doms and another tank. I think the Brazier on an Indomitable Canoness will serve you best in an all-comers setting. Don't worry about Celestine at 1250... if anything, bringing 5-6 tanks, including 1-2 at T8, and probably some with a 3+/4++ is what will make this army tough to beat.
I cannot help but be appalled that there are only 90 Sisters of Battle players currently listed as having played in an ITC match thus far.
54 of them have only one appearnace. and we all know that until recently, people were souping and calling it Sisters... So...
I'm 16th in the rankings after one event. How sad is that. We need to get our asses to some ITC events people. I'm throwing my shizl in the car and signing up for some more events with'em. Gotta carry that torch and light the way!
Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Jancoran wrote: I cannot help but be appalled that there are only 90 Sisters of Battle players currently listed as having played in an ITC match thus far.
54 of them have only one appearnace. and we all know that until recently, people were souping and calling it Sisters... So...
I'm 16th in the rankings after one event. How sad is that. We need to get our asses to some ITC events people. I'm throwing my shizl in the car and signing up for some more events with'em. Gotta carry that torch and light the way!
I dont ITC with SOB b.c i hate ITC and think it forces stupid lists, so i play Ynnari instead and SOB for local games.
Jancoran wrote: I cannot help but be appalled that there are only 90 Sisters of Battle players currently listed as having played in an ITC match thus far.
54 of them have only one appearnace. and we all know that until recently, people were souping and calling it Sisters... So...
I'm 16th in the rankings after one event. How sad is that. We need to get our asses to some ITC events people. I'm throwing my shizl in the car and signing up for some more events with'em. Gotta carry that torch and light the way!
I dont ITC with SOB b.c i hate ITC and think it forces stupid lists, so i play Ynnari instead and SOB for local games.
You play ynnari to avoid...stupid lists? Hehehe. The irony is heavy in the air.
Having said that, i think the global "we" need to take this affront personally and spam the ITC with our might. Don't be afraid of a little high end competition. It sharpens the saw.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com
Jancoran wrote: I cannot help but be appalled that there are only 90 Sisters of Battle players currently listed as having played in an ITC match thus far.
54 of them have only one appearnace. and we all know that until recently, people were souping and calling it Sisters... So...
I'm 16th in the rankings after one event. How sad is that. We need to get our asses to some ITC events people. I'm throwing my shizl in the car and signing up for some more events with'em. Gotta carry that torch and light the way!
I dont ITC with SOB b.c i hate ITC and think it forces stupid lists, so i play Ynnari instead and SOB for local games.
You play ynnari to avoid...stupid lists? Hehehe. The irony is heavy in the air.
Having said that, i think the global "we" need to take this affront personally and spam the ITC with our might. Don't be afraid of a little high end competition. It sharpens the saw.
No, i'm saying b.c i dont like ITC and it doesnt fit SoB or what i want to play for SOB, and if im not having fun with SOB in ITC, then i wont play them, i'll play something else, like Ynnari that is really good for ITC and i can still play the models i like without giving up secondaries easily.
If ITC didnt have so many stupid kill point secondaries i would play more sob for them. When i can make fun lists for Aeldari that each secondary can only max to 3 instead of 4, why take my 2ndary army sob when they give up more points?
Local club here has officially started doing ITC tournaments. I'd be going with sisters, but due to several factors (time, money, not liking ITC) I don't go. Unfortunate but that's just my current chapter in life.
Be good to see more SoB rep in those rankings.
As for the above list, don't stress over Celestine. She's not the beast she used to be, she's borderline friendly now.
I do feel you list lacks melta/anti tank and would recommend working in another exorcist if you can.
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Emperor's Spears 2500
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