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 Crimson wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Sure. The next minimarine release will come right along with the new Bretonnian armybook.

Sometimes you just have to let go..

Bharring wrote:
Didn't they say they would never again squat an army?

No one is suggesting Adeptus Astartes will be squatted. Plenty of models will be discontinued at some point though. Then the mini marines will get the index treatment.

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Yeah no. Once Primaris were introduced it was clear GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

Does anyone have a source for that damn claim?

Common sense seems a likely source.

Bremon wrote:
Common sense seems a likely source.

Common sense isn't a source.

 Asherian Command wrote:

GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

Does anyone have a source for that damn claim?

Sorry my time machine is in the garage.
Has a normal marine been released since 8th edition? (excluding some promotional figure somewhere)

Ofc GW isn't going to come out day 1 and say "Marines are scrapped. Buy Primaris". No there is no quote, there is deduction about why Primaris were 'invented' in the first place. To sell Marines to people who already have 100 marines. And how that means that GW has no reason to go back to making normal marines.
Calgar and his guard are just the icing on the cake. There is no reason to release normal marines when updating older models when you can re-release them as Primaris to a bigger audience instead.

No, +1 attack for minimarines or any other improvement, if you play the official rules and are predicting what GW will do, doesn’t matter it’s not going to happen. It’s also a slapdash change that doesn’t have any comprehensive basis. People even say it like that: “it would go a long way” “not perfect but,” “just a suggestion.” Primaris give exactly the gameplay marines are supposed to do in 8th edition.

If you meant how should you solve the power armor problem in an advanced rules version of the game that’s made for purposes of gaming and not as a commercial product then yeah, you could do a lot of changes. They still wouldn’t be these finicky special rules of rerolls or ignoring AP, or contextless and ineffectual ones like +1 attack.

Do we not count the Heroes of the Space Marines as normal Marines?

What about Heroes of the Space Marines Volume 2 (Terminator Boogaloo)?

 Ordana wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

Does anyone have a source for that damn claim?

Sorry my time machine is in the garage.
Has a normal marine been released since 8th edition? (excluding some promotional figure somewhere)

Ofc GW isn't going to come out day 1 and say "Marines are scrapped. Buy Primaris". No there is no quote, there is deduction about why Primaris were 'invented' in the first place. To sell Marines to people who already have 100 marines. And how that means that GW has no reason to go back to making normal marines.
Calgar and his guard are just the icing on the cake. There is no reason to release normal marines when updating older models when you can re-release them as Primaris to a bigger audience instead.

So rereleasing certain space marine units in new box sets?

Ignoring the 30k series wrapping up with the focus on siege of terra. Forgeworld developing more marine models. And space marine heroes?

The rereleased the Cataprachts in a new box covered set that is labeled 40k not 30k. They will not get rid of marines in the forceable future.

You guys are stretching here.

We have had several special event units released and/or units specific by region that were normal space marines.

 Alphabet wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Sure. The next minimarine release will come right along with the new Bretonnian armybook.

Sometimes you just have to let go..

That's what I've been saying!


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 Asherian Command wrote:

Common sense isn't a source.

Not for those who lack it.

It's a notoriously unreliable source.

But then, that's why the OP specified the source when he made his comment.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

Does anyone have a source for that damn claim?

Sorry my time machine is in the garage.
Has a normal marine been released since 8th edition? (excluding some promotional figure somewhere)

Ofc GW isn't going to come out day 1 and say "Marines are scrapped. Buy Primaris". No there is no quote, there is deduction about why Primaris were 'invented' in the first place. To sell Marines to people who already have 100 marines. And how that means that GW has no reason to go back to making normal marines.
Calgar and his guard are just the icing on the cake. There is no reason to release normal marines when updating older models when you can re-release them as Primaris to a bigger audience instead.

So rereleasing certain space marine units in new box sets?

Ignoring the 30k series wrapping up with the focus on siege of terra. Forgeworld developing more marine models. And space marine heroes?

The rereleased the Cataprachts in a new box covered set that is labeled 40k not 30k. They will not get rid of marines in the forceable future.

You guys are stretching here.

We have had several special event units released and/or units specific by region that were normal space marines.

I was late to 8th so unsure on the dates, but could you not consider Deathwatch as a SM release in 8th?

 Alphabet wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

GW would never make another 'normal' marine model again.

Does anyone have a source for that damn claim?

Sorry my time machine is in the garage.
Has a normal marine been released since 8th edition? (excluding some promotional figure somewhere)

Ofc GW isn't going to come out day 1 and say "Marines are scrapped. Buy Primaris". No there is no quote, there is deduction about why Primaris were 'invented' in the first place. To sell Marines to people who already have 100 marines. And how that means that GW has no reason to go back to making normal marines.
Calgar and his guard are just the icing on the cake. There is no reason to release normal marines when updating older models when you can re-release them as Primaris to a bigger audience instead.

So rereleasing certain space marine units in new box sets?

Ignoring the 30k series wrapping up with the focus on siege of terra. Forgeworld developing more marine models. And space marine heroes?

The rereleased the Cataprachts in a new box covered set that is labeled 40k not 30k. They will not get rid of marines in the forceable future.

You guys are stretching here.

We have had several special event units released and/or units specific by region that were normal space marines.

I was late to 8th so unsure on the dates, but could you not consider Deathwatch as a SM release in 8th?

Or Kill team!

Can't forget them.

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

They are being phased, this was gone over in the Jes Goodwin interview. He's on a 5 year advance schedule, and they're already sculpting Primaris Marines who will be the upgraded old space marines. Oldmarines are probably getting pushed out by around 2024-ish.

Of course oldmarines are being phased. They don’t have an independent existence that has to be protected, they’re plastic in a box sold for money. Phasing then out is the only way to resolve the stupid contradiction of having two types of marine, and it gets rid of the internet meme that marines are 8 feet tall by just making new marines who really are 8 feet tall.

pelicaniforce wrote:
Of course oldmarines are being phased. They don’t have an independent existence that has to be protected, they’re plastic in a box sold for money. Phasing then out is the only way to resolve the stupid contradiction of having two types of marine, and it gets rid of the internet meme that marines are 8 feet tall by just making new marines who really are 8 feet tall.

(They're not though. If we assume that the Primaris are in the same scale than GWs normal humans, they're seven and half feet at the best.)

Otherwise agreed.

Well if all else fails, old marines can be primaris squats.

pelicaniforce wrote:
Of course oldmarines are being phased. They don’t have an independent existence that has to be protected, they’re plastic in a box sold for money. Phasing then out is the only way to resolve the stupid contradiction of having two types of marine, and it gets rid of the internet meme that marines are 8 feet tall by just making new marines who really are 8 feet tall.

Marines are supposed to be head taller than human=7 feet tall. Custodians who are head taller than marines are the 8 feet ones. And here in we run into problem. Primaris marines are custodian sized. Which means primaris marines are not true scale space marines. They are too large for that. They are only true scale marines if they are new type of space marines that are taller than normal space marines.

I have said this thousand times, Custodians are just not as tall as you think. Problem solved.

tneva82 wrote:

pelicaniforce wrote:
Of course oldmarines are being phased. They don’t have an independent existence that has to be protected, they’re plastic in a box sold for money. Phasing then out is the only way to resolve the stupid contradiction of having two types of marine, and it gets rid of the internet meme that marines are 8 feet tall by just making new marines who really are 8 feet tall.

Marines are supposed to be head taller than human=7 feet tall. Custodians who are head taller than marines are the 8 feet ones. And here in we run into problem. Primaris marines are custodian sized. Which means primaris marines are not true scale space marines. They are too large for that. They are only true scale marines if they are new type of space marines that are taller than normal space marines.

Good point.. a scaling of space marines offsets everything else too, this would include orks aswell surely, and possibly other xenos races, certain eldar kits possibly?

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:

I was late to 8th so unsure on the dates, but could you not consider Deathwatch as a SM release in 8th?

Or Kill team!

Can't forget them.

Both of those were 7th though? Or are you guys talking about rules? Because rules are a different beast than models.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

Both of those were 7th though? Or are you guys talking about rules? Because rules are a different beast than models.

And In the current KIllteam all the Commander characters marines can take are Primaris.

 Crimson wrote:
I have said this thousand times, Custodians are just not as tall as you think. Problem solved.

No we know exactly how tall they are, nine feet. The issue is that for some reason you keep shoving your fanon into everything with the obsession of the number seven. Something which isn't shared by GW. Primaris iirc were stated to range between 8-9 feet during the Phil Kelly twitch stream.

They tower over mortal men; each has the statuesque physique of an ancient hero, close to nine feet in height even without his scarlet-crested helm.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I have said this thousand times, Custodians are just not as tall as you think. Problem solved.

No we know exactly how tall they are, nine feet. The issue is that for some reason you keep shoving your fanon into everything with the obsession of the number seven. Something which isn't shared by GW. Primaris iirc were stated to range between 8-9 feet during the Phil Kelly twitch stream.

They tower over mortal men; each has the statuesque physique of an ancient hero, close to nine feet in height even without his scarlet-crested helm.

I need citation for Primaris being 8-9 feet. And if Custodes are supposed to be nine feet, then their models are just way too short. Compared to normal human models, they're about seven and half, just like the Primaris. And of course some BL authors think that normal marines are ten feet, so I really wouldn't trust anything they say anyway, the numbers are all over the place.

Officially space marines are 6'5" from that contest years back where you could win a stack of kits 'as tall as a space marine' and that measured out to 6'5"

Sorry it was 7ft or 210cm...I had misremembered
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6336

 Crimson wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Sure. The next minimarine release will come right along with the new Bretonnian armybook.

Too far man... Too far.

What's the deal with people referring to sniper Scouts as good all of a sudden? When did that happen?

Mini marines are going to get killed in the fluff as they all get converted to Primaris in big lots now.

Mini marines are going to get no new releases.

Mini marines will get counts as rules in future editions of the game.

Now, were they squatted? Nope. Still there, see you got the rules and everything you can play them, and still buy lots off ebay.

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Sure. The next minimarine release will come right along with the new Bretonnian armybook.

Too far man... Too far.

This but a bridge to far.
GW, you ruthless tyrant, give me back mine Khemrians, thou bastard