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2018/12/12 22:58:41
Subject: Re:Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
But of course, I had to inform Crimson on Magnus destroying a fleet in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, unless I misunderstood him.
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Wyzilla wrote: This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).
Are you talking about this?
Spoiler:
...That was when he saw the flame. At first, as he saw it blaze across the black vista of space on the occuliport, he thought it was a comet or some celestial body that had chosen that precise moment to manifest. Only when it didn't follow a prescribed trajectory, when it dodged around and through the debris of sundered vessels did he realise it was something else.It was climbing, this flame, this spear of fire, and headed for the Hell-Stalker.
...The sheer speed of the flame spear was incredible. It was like no spacefaring vessel he'd ever seen, but then this wasn't a ship; it wasn't a ship at all.
...All of this and Dac'tyr was transfixed by the flaming spear. His eyes widened and he wept openly, realising what it was he was seeing.'In Vulkan's Name...' he whispered.The flaming spear widened at its tip, spreading into a fiery blade that burned in the void despite the lack of oxygen. Brighter than the sun, it struck the Hell-stalker with the force of a god and sheared it in half.
- Salamanders Omnibus
I found this when reading the Salamanders omnibus
EDIT: BTW, Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus was written by Games Workshop, not Black Library.
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2018/12/12 23:08:23
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Wyzilla wrote: This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).
Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?
He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?
Ahriman cannot do that either. Or Magnus. I understand that the game stats need some simplification and toning down, but it often feels that the BL authors describe some completely different setting than the ones where the game take place in.
Magnus actually blew up two Strike Cruisers by throwing them at each other during the invasion of Fenris and was trading shots with ships in orbit as well (and tanking orbital bombardment to boot). It's well within his power to sling multi kilometer behemoths around like toys when he isn't swallowing the idiot ball and becoming it incarnate. The only reason why characters stand a chance in hell of fighting a psyker at all and not instantly dying is purely of writing contrivance. Otherwise every single fight between a psyker and a non psyker would be as predictable and dull as a fighter trying to take on a caster in D&D, and learning why they fundamentally can't.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2018/12/12 23:08:45
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Onething123456 wrote: Magnus is more than capable of doing that. He destroyed a fleet in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus by smashing Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers into each other with telekinesis.
Yet in the game he struggles with couple of tanks and bunch of infantry...
Onething123456 wrote: Magnus is more than capable of doing that. He destroyed a fleet in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus by smashing Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers into each other with telekinesis.
Yet in the game he struggles with couple of tanks and bunch of infantry...
It's almost like the game is a contrived piece of gak that shouldn't be taken as truth at all on account of it being a (bad) game.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2018/12/12 23:17:05
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Onething123456 wrote: Magnus is more than capable of doing that. He destroyed a fleet in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus by smashing Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers into each other with telekinesis.
Yet in the game he struggles with couple of tanks and bunch of infantry...
He actually effortlessly destroyed armies of tanks and deflected their fire back at them in the story of Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, not the game. He even turned some Grey Knights into fools gold.
You already knew about the part Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus before I showed you the quote and links, so don't be coy.
And all Daemos have to use avatars outside of the warp. Magnus only sent what power he could in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus. And the longer Daemos are in the materium, the more their power fades. So clearly Magnus was stronger at certain points and weaker at other points.
There is also an outlier for Vulkan in the Beast Arises books. The Hunt for Vulkan.
Spoiler:
The Hunt For Vulkan said:
*He strode forward. Each step was grounded. He felt the heart of Caldera reach up through his feet, through his body. The world embraced its avenger.The orks charged. They were as tall as Vulkan and even more massive in their armour.‘This world is under my protection,’ he snarled. ‘Trouble it no more.’He swung the hammer sideways. One blow was enough. Armour shattered like eggshells. Bodies burst and burned.Behind him, howls of distress and anger from more defenders, too few and too late. The chorus of alarm engulfed the complex. It was the fanfare of xenos defeat.The primarch stood before the gate. He slammed the hammer against its centre. The iron slab, ten metres high, flew apart.Vulkan entered the nexus. It was composed of a single vast space, a cathedral of riotous technology. Banks of coils the size of plasma drives rose toward the inner peak. Energy arced between them, creating a crackling web intense enough to fry half a continent. Huge cables from the exterior fuelled the banks with still more energy, while conduits fed the heat of Caldera’s mantle to the machine. At the centre of the cone was a pillar half the height of the structure, and fifty metres wide. It supported the control mechanisms. Scores of orks moved back and forth between monumental levers and dials. A huge greenskin engineer stood above them all on a dais, surrounded by a tangle of sparking machinery. There, Vulkan thought, was the heart of Caldera’s martyrdom. That was what he had come to destroy.He took in the disposition of the nexus and his target in a fraction of a second. The ork engineer evaluated him in the same moment. Vulkan took a step forward, and the inner defences activated.The turrets had a precision Vulkan had never encountered in orks before. The need to preserve the control nexus governed their function. They caused no damage to the machinery. There were dozens of them, and they all fired on the primarch. If their rotation brought the precious mechanisms within their line of fire, they fell silent until their guns had a clear bead on the primarch once more.*They hit him with a torrent of energy beams. The concentrated strength of a gas giant’s thunderstorm exploded against his chest. It forced him to take a full step back. He planted his legs and leaned into the attack*. His breastplate began to glow. Lightning surrounded him as he moved forward against power that would have incinerated a Leman Russ. One step, then another. He held Doomtremor before him. It absorbed many of the hits, its head flaring and sending the excess energy outward. Vulkan directed it at the engineer. The ork’s personal force field flashed in turn. The beast raged as the onslaught did no more than slow the primarch.*Vulkan advanced. His armour’s interior temperature rocketed upward. He was inside an active volcano. A mortal’s flesh would have started to burn. He marched on, implacable, a continental plate on the move*. He passed between the immense coils. He was midway towards the pillar.**He realised the ork engineer was not shouting. It was laughing. The beast pulled a lever. The weight of a planet fell on his shoulders. He withstood the crushing force for several seconds, and then it brought him to his knees. The ork had turned the gravity weapon against him. The greenskin hurled mountains at the sky, and now it forced Vulkan down. His lungs flattened. Drawing a breath was an act of supreme strength. He growled, denying the force that sought to grind his bones to dust. He would not capitulate. He would rise. He would advance.A power that had destroyed worlds held him fast.Then it reversed*.**He flew upward. The invisible hand whipped him against the slanted wall near the top of the cone and the impact dented the metal beneath him. Unseen mountain walls came together with him in between. His arms were flat against the surface. He strained to bring them forward. It was all he could do to keep his grip on Doomtremor. The ork laughed again, adjusted the controls, and slammed Vulkan to the floor, a meteor slaved to the greenskin’s will. Before Vulkan could get his bearings, he was flying once more. The battering and speed blurred his sense. Whether he was smashed against the wall or the floor, the crushing never relented. It grew stronger. He felt the crack of bones.*He was trapped in the fist of Caldera, the planet’s own strength turned against its will to destroy its defender*.*
The Hunt For Vulkan said:
Up. Down. Up. Down. The gravity fist turning Vulkan into the clapper of a bell, the impacts more and more ferocious. The ork engineer showing no care for the integrity of the structure. The gigantic force turned to the single task of destroying one warrior.This is still not enough, he thought*.*The enemy fears you.The thought emerged from his deepest core. Beneath the battering pain, the constriction, and the confusion of the senses, was the immovable, the implacable, and the calm. Vulkan pulled his consciousness down into his absolute centre. There he had the patience and the resolution of mountains. He shut out damage and suffering. In the stony dark of that calm, he regained the coherence of his thoughts.The enemy fears you.You are a threat.The assault grows more desperate.Desperation is weakness.Strike it.Not the clapper of a bell, then. He was the hammer against the anvil. His core turned molten. The calm of the mountain became the anger of the volcano*.**Erupt.*His consciousness exploded back into the full awareness of his body, and then transcended it. He observed his arc against the wall, and saw not the wound inflicted but the action he must take. And when the engineer hurled him to the floor again, he moved. He did not struggle against gravity. He acted in concert with it. He turned it into his own weapon. He punched forward with his left hand, hitting the floor, and drove his arm deep into the stone. He took root. He held Caldera. It held him back*.*When gravity reversed, he remained in place*.**The agony was a revelation. Forces sought to rip his body apart. He defied them. The ork had ceased to laugh, and now it froze. It stared at him, hands hovering uncertainly over its controls.*Tempered by the pain, guided by magmatic anger, Vulkan raised Doomtremor. The hammer’s wrath lit up the interior of the nexus with the blaze of a sun. Thunderhead, Dawnbringer, weapons long lost, were present to his spirit in that which he now held aloft. Their terrible strength demanded Vulkan rise. And with the reversed gravity, but against its current, he threw the hammer*.*Its flight was true. A comet roared across the space between Vulkan and the pillar. It struck the platform, the impact released the energy of the throw, of the hammer, and of gravity itself. The explosion swallowed the top half of the pillar. The gravitic fist released him*. He stood, and marched through a vortex of howling, chaotic lightning to retrieve Doomtremor.**The pillar ended in a jagged stump. The control mechanism was gone, vaporised along with its master. Around Vulkan, surviving orks ran in panic as their great mechanism lost all direction. The ground heaved and cracked.*Vulkan moved through a gathering storm. He picked up his hammer, braced his stance, and waited, fighting the instinct to destroy the abomination around him. If it did not find a new master within the next few moments, the storm would rip the planet open*.**The shaking built.Cracks became chasms.*The world groaned.
Vulkan was fighting against power that crushed planets, and it would have destroyed the planet he was on within moments if he did not stop it. And, in case anyone cares to notice, the planet he was on shook. Its an outlier. David Annandale loves to overpower the Primarchs. As he did with Ruinstorm. The planet shook when it said "The world groaned."
I was surprised when I found this. David Annandale loves to overpower stuff like he did in Ruinstorm with a Daemon creating a solar system sized fortress. "The weight of a world fell on his shoulders.", is what Vulkan was against when he fought against it.
2018/12/12 23:17:06
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Wyzilla wrote: This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).
Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?
He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?
Ahriman cannot do that either. Or Magnus. I understand that the game stats need some simplification and toning down, but it often feels that the BL authors describe some completely different setting than the ones where the game take place in.
Magnus actually blew up two Strike Cruisers by throwing them at each other during the invasion of Fenris and was trading shots with ships in orbit as well (and tanking orbital bombardment to boot). It's well within his power to sling multi kilometer behemoths around like toys when he isn't swallowing the idiot ball and becoming it incarnate. The only reason why characters stand a chance in hell of fighting a psyker at all and not instantly dying is purely of writing contrivance. Otherwise every single fight between a psyker and a non psyker would be as predictable and dull as a fighter trying to take on a caster in D&D, and learning why they fundamentally can't.
Magnus smashed a bunch of Strike Cruisers and Battle Barges into each other in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, not just two Strike Cruisers. But yeah.
Onething, the point is the writing in the stories and the way the game works are two very separate things. Some variance is to be expected, since the game naturally places limits on what is and isn't possible, but what people are talking about - discussing, if you like - are the huge discrepancies on display. They're not doubting it actually happened, just expressing incredulity at the jarring differences.
Also, as far as the first quote is concerned, you don't seem to understand metaphor or simile, like not even a little bit. You know what creative license is, yes? Do you understand that you're not meant to take every word that's written completely literally? For example, in that quote it appears a psyker throws a ship at a planet Cool. However, in reality it doesn't really tell us exactly how. Is he psychically providing all the force necessary to accelerate it towards the planet from a standstill? Or did he shroud it from sight and give it a little nudge in the right direction? It's not entirely clear from the quote but you know what? That's OK. Writing doesn't have to be completely clear about the mechanisms of what's happening, just give a sense of the events themselves. You often seem to be looking for certainty where none exists.
2018/12/12 23:48:19
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Slipspace wrote: Onething, the point is the writing in the stories and the way the game works are two very separate things. Some variance is to be expected, since the game naturally places limits on what is and isn't possible, but what people are talking about - discussing, if you like - are the huge discrepancies on display. They're not doubting it actually happened, just expressing incredulity at the jarring differences.
Also, as far as the first quote is concerned, you don't seem to understand metaphor or simile, like not even a little bit. You know what creative license is, yes? Do you understand that you're not meant to take every word that's written completely literally? For example, in that quote it appears a psyker throws a ship at a planet Cool. However, in reality it doesn't really tell us exactly how. Is he psychically providing all the force necessary to accelerate it towards the planet from a standstill? Or did he shroud it from sight and give it a little nudge in the right direction? It's not entirely clear from the quote but you know what? That's OK. Writing doesn't have to be completely clear about the mechanisms of what's happening, just give a sense of the events themselves. You often seem to be looking for certainty where none exists.
The quote said he hurled the ship. Hurl is a synonym for throw. He definitely threw it. He did NOT nudge it. Otherwise, the ship would not have shook the planet and messed with the tectonics.
Its completely clear, don't be coy.
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2018/12/13 00:36:21
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Secondly, I can hurl a bullet at your head, a gun can throw a bullet down it's barrel towards your head. Synonyms can still vary by context.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
You can't be this literal, surely? You understand he didn't literally throw the ship? He didn't literally put his hand around it and throw it, all 8km of it. You understand that, yes? Therefore, you see how the rest of the passage is a metaphor? Also, do you understand what 8 million tonnes of metal hitting a planet at extreme velocity would do? You don't even need to throw it at the planet, just let the planet's gravity pull it down and it'll cause one hell of a mess without any extra acceleration needed.
2018/12/13 00:42:18
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Azreal13 wrote: Firstly, you clearly don't know want coy means.
Secondly, I can hurl a bullet at your head, a gun can throw a bullet down it's barrel towards your head. Synonyms can still vary by context.
Khayon definitely threw the damned ship. He threw it so hard that it shook the planet and caused tectonic unrest all over the planet. Just dropping a two kilometer ship weighing millions of tons would not shake a planet and cause global tectonic unrest.
And I know what coy means. It means you are faking being ignorant, reluctance to reveal something, and so on.
Coy is said to mean different things in different dictionaries, so there is that.
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Slipspace wrote: You can't be this literal, surely? You understand he didn't literally throw the ship? He didn't literally put his hand around it and throw it, all 8km of it. You understand that, yes? Therefore, you see how the rest of the passage is a metaphor? Also, do you understand what 8 million tonnes of metal hitting a planet at extreme velocity would do? You don't even need to throw it at the planet, just let the planet's gravity pull it down and it'll cause one hell of a mess without any extra acceleration needed.
He psychically threw it. He did not drop it, or nudge it. He psychically threw it.
Are you saying I am wrong? Dropping millions of tons from orbit is not going to shake an entire planet and mess with tectonics.
No, it is not.
The ship going at extreme velocity towards a planet would shake it (as when Khayon threw it), but just dropping it from orbit would not.
When psykers "throw tanks", it means psychically throwing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Millions of tons is completely nothing against the Earth's weight. Nothing.
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2018/12/13 00:52:50
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Wow. You linked to the dictionary, and you still don't get why your use of the word coy was wrong?
Also, guys, I'm honestly not sure he's worth the effort to correct at this point. He makes duplicate threads of the same stuff here on reddit, like almost non-stop, in some vain attempt to find validation for him to continue spamming links and repeating himself.
I mentioned this before, but given that the thread I posted in was locked pretty quickly, in case any missed it, I think this highlights more than anything that he's not going to learn, because he just airs his dirty laundry on other sites like reddit when he doesn't get what he wants:
I'm not sure if he's incapable, or simply unwilling, to listen but the fact that he's doing the exact same thing over months on end, probably means its safer to just ignore him at this point, report him for spam, rinse and repeat.
2018/12/13 00:55:20
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Ah, I see. So it's not literally throwing. So the whole "hurled" thing could really mean anything in this context then. We can gather the ship was accelerated towards the planet. Beyond that, who knows? It's not really important anyway, like so many of the things you seem to fixate on.
Can we also assume you have detailed information about the size of Harmony and its geological structure? How do we know what effect an impact of a few hundred billion joules would have on its tectonics? If the planet was particularly unstable it could cause massive tectonic upheaval. Also, as has been stated, the planet was in the Eye of Terror. It could be made of chocolate pudding for all we know.
2018/12/13 01:04:16
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Slipspace wrote: Ah, I see. So it's not literally throwing. So the whole "hurled" thing could really mean anything in this context then. We can gather the ship was accelerated towards the planet. Beyond that, who knows? It's not really important anyway, like so many of the things you seem to fixate on.
Can we also assume you have detailed information about the size of Harmony and its geological structure? How do we know what effect an impact of a few hundred billion joules would have on its tectonics? If the planet was particularly unstable it could cause massive tectonic upheaval. Also, as has been stated, the planet was in the Eye of Terror. It could be made of chocolate pudding for all we know.
When psykers "throw tanks", does the narration mean they literally threw it physically? No. Same with Khayon.
Khayon definitely threw it hard enough to shake the planet. 8 million tons would not shake an entire planet and mess with tectonics.
Harmony is an average sized planet as I know.
2018/12/13 01:09:08
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
So tell us, oh great professor of extra-terrestrial geoscience, how much force would be required to mess with the tectonics on this fictional planet in a realm noted for its distinct lack of adherence to the laws of nature?
Also, while you're linking to the dictionary, try looking up what "creative license" means. Then try thinking how it might apply to this scenario.
2018/12/13 01:09:51
Subject: Re:Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Onething123456 wrote: (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring. .
This supports what i said.
????
Are you saying you're a woman?
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! /s
No. It says Especially or a woman (more so, not exclusively).
Right. You're a woman then.
See how dumb that is when you talk past people rather than actually read or engage with what they have to say? Because that's what you're doing right now. Repeating the same thing without actually addressing another poster's point. In what way was Slipspace pretending to be shy/modest in order to draw you in? He's pretty damn clear on what he was saying, no subterfuge whatsoever, so your use of coy is definitely wrong. Similarly, you saying "whatever is necessary to make a planet shake" is basically you admitting you don't know which proves Slipspace's point, since there's no explicit details given, not to mention that its in the EoT so regular physics wouldn't matter anyways.
2018/12/13 01:28:04
Subject: Re:Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
And I know what coy means. It means you are faking being ignorant, reluctance to reveal something, and so on.
Coy is said to mean different things in different dictionaries, so there is that.
Firstly, that's not how dictionaries work, unless they're in a different language.
Secondly, even were that true, the link you yourself cited doesn't feature the definition you've written.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Onething123456 wrote: (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring. .
This supports what i said.
????
Are you saying you're a woman?
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! /s
No. It says Especially or a woman (more so, not exclusively).
Right. You're a woman then.
See how dumb that is when you talk past people rather than actually read or engage with what they have to say? Because that's what you're doing right now. Repeating the same thing without actually addressing another poster's point. In what way was Slipspace pretending to be shy/modest in order to draw you in? He's pretty damn clear on what he was saying, no subterfuge whatsoever, so your use of coy is definitely wrong. Similarly, you saying "whatever is necessary to make a planet shake" is basically you admitting you don't know which proves Slipspace's point, since there's no explicit details given, not to mention that its in the EoT so regular physics wouldn't matter anyways.
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
I did not think this thread would have turned out this way. Sorry for that.
Would you mind if I go do something else for now?
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
2018/12/13 01:42:40
Subject: Re:Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Onething123456 wrote: (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring. .
This supports what i said.
????
Are you saying you're a woman?
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! /s
No. It says Especially or a woman (more so, not exclusively).
Right. You're a woman then.
See how dumb that is when you talk past people rather than actually read or engage with what they have to say? Because that's what you're doing right now. Repeating the same thing without actually addressing another poster's point. In what way was Slipspace pretending to be shy/modest in order to draw you in? He's pretty damn clear on what he was saying, no subterfuge whatsoever, so your use of coy is definitely wrong. Similarly, you saying "whatever is necessary to make a planet shake" is basically you admitting you don't know which proves Slipspace's point, since there's no explicit details given, not to mention that its in the EoT so regular physics wouldn't matter anyways.
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
I did not think this thread would have turned out this way. Sorry for that.
Would you mind if I go do something else for now?
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
I'm not sure what they taught you in school, but when it comes to proving your points, if your proof for your point....is to repeat your point, then you basically have no viable basis for your argument. It's like me saying, "Onething is woman!" and you ask why? and I quote myself saying "Because I said Onething is a woman", would you believe me?
Also, classic Onething, the moment he's forced to admit he's wrong or he's in the corner, he goes back to his default "gotta go fast to reddit/movies/bathroom" to avoid confronting the fact that not everything he spouts is truth. Then he goes back to repeat the cycle a few hours later.
See you in the next thread, I'll be waiting.
2018/12/13 02:10:03
Subject: Re:Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
Onething123456 wrote: (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring. .
This supports what i said.
????
Are you saying you're a woman?
THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! /s
No. It says Especially or a woman (more so, not exclusively).
Right. You're a woman then.
See how dumb that is when you talk past people rather than actually read or engage with what they have to say? Because that's what you're doing right now. Repeating the same thing without actually addressing another poster's point. In what way was Slipspace pretending to be shy/modest in order to draw you in? He's pretty damn clear on what he was saying, no subterfuge whatsoever, so your use of coy is definitely wrong. Similarly, you saying "whatever is necessary to make a planet shake" is basically you admitting you don't know which proves Slipspace's point, since there's no explicit details given, not to mention that its in the EoT so regular physics wouldn't matter anyways.
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
I did not think this thread would have turned out this way. Sorry for that.
Would you mind if I go do something else for now?
Clearly physics were still working since the ship was thrown hard enough to shake the planet and cause tectonic unrest.
I'm not sure what they taught you in school, but when it comes to proving your points, if your proof for your point....is to repeat your point, then you basically have no viable basis for your argument. It's like me saying, "Onething is woman!" and you ask why? and I quote myself saying "Because I said Onething is a woman", would you believe me?
Also, classic Onething, the moment he's forced to admit he's wrong or he's in the corner, he goes back to his default "gotta go fast to reddit/movies/bathroom" to avoid confronting the fact that not everything he spouts is truth. Then he goes back to repeat the cycle a few hours later.
See you in the next thread, I'll be waiting.
As a last thing, I am mostly making threads about games I have played currently.
Bye.
2018/12/13 02:16:57
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
It's almost like the game is a contrived piece of gak that shouldn't be taken as truth at all on account of it being a (bad) game.
It is almost like the authors have no restraint or sense of scale and fill the stories with puerile super saiyan nonsense.
That has almost always been the state of 40k. The issue is that you mistook a single game system out of many others for "how the setting worked" when this is clearly not the case, nor in the mind of GW.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2018/12/13 09:19:19
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
That has almost always been the state of 40k. The issue is that you mistook a single game system out of many others for "how the setting worked" when this is clearly not the case, nor in the mind of GW.
The background material exists for the game. If you write the Magnus so powerful that none of the fights he parttakes in the game could not happen because he could just fart the entire enemy army out of existence, then the background material has failed. And of course the fluff is not even consistent with itself, in one story Magnus is fought on ground by bunch of marines, in other story he can throw starships.
That has almost always been the state of 40k. The issue is that you mistook a single game system out of many others for "how the setting worked" when this is clearly not the case, nor in the mind of GW.
The background material exists for the game. If you write the Magnus so powerful that none of the fights he parttakes in the game could not happen because he could just fart the entire enemy army out of existence, then the background material has failed. And of course the fluff is not even consistent with itself, in one story Magnus is fought on ground by bunch of marines, in other story he can throw starships.
No, again it's called the game being an abstraction. The game means nothing as it's just a, say it with me, game. It doesn't exist, it doesn't have a canon, it's an abstract concept to push models around. No different from how in Age of Sigmar Archaon is a literal Godkiller and realm annihilator who has slain entire universes and battles involve billions, whereas on the tabletop battles only involve a hundred dudes and Archaon can be slain by a Grot. This obviously isn't canon, doesn't happen, and is literally impossible and doesn't matter because it's a pure game mechanic. The real issue is that you want to plug your ears, pretend it's still 1990, and not either comprehend or accept the fact that the fluff doesn't exist for the game and operates independently of it. The game is nothing but pushing toy soldiers around, it has no authority or justification to effect narratives of what characters can or cannot do because it itself is meaningless. If I'm an author writing for the Black Library, I don't give a what a space marine's stats are, I write space marines however the narrative fits to make a good story. The game and how it operates is nothing, and has no value in literature either.
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
2018/12/13 09:40:47
Subject: Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet in Talon of Horus
No, again it's called the game being an abstraction. The game means nothing as it's just a, say it with me, game. It doesn't exist, it doesn't have a canon, it's an abstract concept to push models around. No different from how in Age of Sigmar Archaon is a literal Godkiller and realm annihilator who has slain entire universes and battles involve billions, whereas on the tabletop battles only involve a hundred dudes and Archaon can be slain by a Grot. This obviously isn't canon, doesn't happen, and is literally impossible and doesn't matter because it's a pure game mechanic. The real issue is that you want to plug your ears, pretend it's still 1990, and not either comprehend or accept the fact that the fluff doesn't exist for the game and operates independently of it. The game is nothing but pushing toy soldiers around, it has no authority or justification to effect narratives of what characters can or cannot do because it itself is meaningless. If I'm an author writing for the Black Library, I don't give a what a space marine's stats are, I write space marines however the narrative fits to make a good story. The game and how it operates is nothing, and has no value in literature either.
There is difference being an abstraction and being completely unrelated to the fluff. The fluff exist for the game. The whole fething point of the Magnus story that was quoted was to be background for a 40K campaign! If Magnus is so powerful that battles involving him cannot happen, then the writer has failed.
what a space marine's stats are, I write space marines however the narrative fits to make a good story. The game and how it operates is nothing, and has no value in literature either.