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Some of my old pals and their buds love the new hotness of 40k. I took a 13 year break and came back at 8th.

Some other older players with Eldar stuff like me are getting snubbed for the models we have in our collections.

Last night someone stated that playing with original Dark Eldar models... no respecting player would field those models and throwing them away would be the best choice.

Buy new stuff, buy new stuff.etc etc.

I hated the GW Epic releases that came out in the late 90's..it was so clucnky and MechWarrior-like. Jes Goodwins 'alien' look and feel of the first Eldar epic vehicles like Wave Serpents and Revenants were far superior imo. That however is personal preference and is subjective.

Playing with the models you purchased from GW, Wrong sized bases or wargear included, ...should be a choice and not a negative.

An analogy. Lets say I love an old 50's pickup truck or a 60's corvette. Someone today may 'hate' those designs and like the newer cars. IF kept in mint condition both still function the same. There may be more details or features on the newer cars but there seems to be more and more classic car shows anymore. So some of the new stuff is the new 'hotness' for a few years but then get forgotten....I don't know of too many people drooling over 2004 or 2010 vehicles much.

I see old Beaky Marines, the first Iron-looking Wave Serpent, the ghost warrior head for RT elder dreadnoughts, the original Tyranid Warriors, etc as sought out. Some 'hate' that stuff...others love it. I don't want to spend my time at the FLGS in a snobfest or debating aesthetics. I have 13 Art History credits in my education and one thing is for sure is that what is cool is a very subjective term and art snobs have been around since there has been art.

Thoughts on how to handle jerks.

ps: by the way newer players come up each and everytime I bring my older stuff and I always get gasps of cool and that is sweet.

Someone who is that worried about the aesthetics of someone else's models - so much so they feel the need to make crass and infantile remarks - is someone you're probably better not spending time with.

This is not directed at you, at all, but it's a trend you see frequently on 40K and similar boards - dealing with assbags. The reality is that this is a game you're playing for fun, you're not obligated to play with anyone. It is unfortunate that sometimes a few people pollute a small gaming crowd, but I'd just be a bit more picky about who I game with. The local 40K crowd here is probably 60-100 strong, and I actively game with maybe 10-12 of them. As an adult I have the ability to choose who I spend time with, so I choose the people I enjoy to be around.

Generally speaking, no one is forcing anyone to game with anyone else --- if they loiter at the local spot where you play 40K, that's unfortunate and that's a tougher thing to tackle. Beyond that, ignore them, and don't force yourself into games with them.

PS: Old metal is good metal.

Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

anyone giving you grief over playing a nicely painted Classic model based army is a Knuckle dragging Douche...tell em to go suck it and get away from your table. The're not worth a single second of your time.


Competitive things may get a little more dicey. Model sizes and Base size sort of can be an issue at the GT level.

I hear this alot but I guess I'm just plain lucky.
I run a pure 2nd edition tyranid army (all lovely metal models) and have never had anything but compliments about them.

I prefer alot of the older stuff as it takes me back to when I started the hobby.
I much rather use this than the newer stuff as alot of the new models look bad in comparison (to me anyway)

About the only amusing comments I get is from mainly younger players who haven't seen some of these models before and aren't sure where they are from.

I say go with what you love and ignore other comments.

 Happyjew wrote:
Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

Pffft! Stegadons in socks are the more effective weapon of choice.

On the original DE models: I didn't like them when they were the only DE models, & I like them no better now that they're old. I would never waste my time/$/collection space on them.
But as long as you don't try & slip them into my case when I go to the restroom, I've got no problem with you playing with the gakky looking things....

And I'm sure my own collection has models that would elicit a similar opinion - like my RT era SM dreadnoughts.

Old stuff is fine. Old stuff on the bases they came with is fine.

Ruin wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

Pffft! Stegadons in socks are the more effective weapon of choice.

This is truth. The old metal Stegedon will forever hold the title of “model I’d least like thrown at me”. With the switch to resin/plastic, there will probably never be a model as big, heavy, and spiky as ol’ Stegs ever again. With bonus skink shrapnel on top.

He does lack the classic nostalgia and history of the dreadsock though.

On topic, I’ve been fielding RTB01 beekies since the dawn of time, and nobody ever complained. People will occasionally comment about the scale creep, but frankly the size is close enough not to have a major impact on the game. And base sizes are a two edged sword. There are things I’ve done with my old terminators I couldn’t do if they were on 40’s (mostly precision DS when you still rolled scatter), but then again, in those days the whole squad could get caught under a template they were packed so close.

I once saw a chaos juggernought, not sure if it was GWs, that looked like a smiling armored hamster. Couldn't stop laughing for like 5 min. thrown out of the store for doing so.
But telling someone to throw out their army and buy a new one is one of the more a-hole things I can imagine someone do.

I have had nothing but compliments for my RT-era and 2nd Ed Eldar. I guess it depends on your play-circle though. I sometimes suspect I am super-lucky with mine.

(I am sure some people dislike them, but they are polite enough to not say so.)

You have the right to play with any mini you have purchased. And others have the right to play you, or not to play you. Everyone has the right to come with "advice", even when not asked for, and you're free do ignore it. It's all very simple.

 Nevelon wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

Pffft! Stegadons in socks are the more effective weapon of choice.

This is truth. The old metal Stegedon will forever hold the title of “model I’d least like thrown at me”. With the switch to resin/plastic, there will probably never be a model as big, heavy, and spiky as ol’ Stegs ever again. With bonus skink shrapnel on top.

Let me introduce you to... the classic Thunderhawksock.

Pffft. Use those old models with pride. Rub it in their faces. Classing OOP models are the best!

#metalGreyKnightsFTW!

 Trickstick wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

Pffft! Stegadons in socks are the more effective weapon of choice.

This is truth. The old metal Stegedon will forever hold the title of “model I’d least like thrown at me”. With the switch to resin/plastic, there will probably never be a model as big, heavy, and spiky as ol’ Stegs ever again. With bonus skink shrapnel on top.

Let me introduce you to... the classic Thunderhawksock.

(SLAP) Jesus man, we don't talk about that here!

Old models are awesome. In many cases I prefer the cleaner, simpler designs of the metal models over some of the more recent stuff. Hopefully you have a big enough pool of players locally that you can just avoid playing against anyone who is that hostile.

That said... and I'm saying that as someone who is an absolute sucker for models going as far back as the RT era... the Dark Eldar are one of the few armies (I'd put the Necrons in here too) where the newer range are a massive improvement over the originals. IMO of course, and even thinking that if I saw them set up across the table from me I'd probably still react with gleeful nostalgia rather than anything else.

You're not supposed to collect minis you enjoy. You're supposed to collect what is demanded of you.

I've seen it over and over.
Liking the old miniatures gets you accused of being an idiot.
Wearing rose tinted glasses.
Being cheap.
Being lazy.
Being stuck in the past.
Cheating.
Modeling for advantage.
Having no respect
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Honestly your bs scale will break around these idiots.
The only thing you can do is tell them to Pee Off. Don't be polite or nice because they don't understand that kind of talk and see it as weakness.

Not had the problem in 40k, but did get some teenager in a GW one say I couldn't use some trolls in my O&G force as they were not GW...

well there were, just older than he was

 admironheart wrote:
Last night someone stated that playing with original Dark Eldar models... no respecting player would field those models and throwing them away would be the best choice.

Thoughts on how to handle jerks.

Consider this additional benefit of playing with old models. Instant TFG radar. Those gits aren't worth wasting time playing with anyway.

Thanks. I like conversions and Ive won Players Choice Award. I really like my all white 3rd ed dark elder actually proud ( I used to hate DE as much as Tau). My favorite Eldar needs a lot of love to update the painting since it was my first army. My PDF was one of my favorite Guard Armies on a budget.
I have Nids, Blood Angels , Harlequins+ Exodites, and Squats (used to have Sisters and Thousand Sons too) so I am not the cool Titans, Adept Mech, Giant Marine, Astra M crowd.

With almost 30K in 8th ed points, maybe more, I feel I AM that player base that GW should keep rather than the guy who is willing to drop 2000 dollars today on whatever is hot to play ....because THAT guy is just as willing in a year or so to drop 40K in total to find that new hotness on the market.

No matter what the edition, It seems GW fails to understand that. I think some of my issues with jerks has to do with their lead.

My old Tyranid Warrior army has gotten nothing but respect. At some point I'll do up my beakies and old Land Raiders, too.

tneva82 wrote:

Consider this additional benefit of playing with old models. Instant TFG radar. Those gits aren't worth wasting time playing with anyway.

Gotta agree with this, although I like to take it the opposite direction and butcher their army on the tabletop. I've rarely met a trash talker who was also a good player.

 Elbows wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
Buy an old metal dreadnought. Assemble it and place it in a sock. Smack nay-sayers in the head with said Dreadsock until they realize how awesome old metal models are.


Please do not actually attack people with a dreadsock.

Pffft! Stegadons in socks are the more effective weapon of choice.

This is truth. The old metal Stegedon will forever hold the title of “model I’d least like thrown at me”. With the switch to resin/plastic, there will probably never be a model as big, heavy, and spiky as ol’ Stegs ever again. With bonus skink shrapnel on top.

Let me introduce you to... the classic Thunderhawksock.

(SLAP) Jesus man, we don't talk about that here!

The stegadon is peanuts compared to the almighty Metal steamtank of the imperium. (not iom!)
That thing is literally usefull to do your clothes.

Honestly, I can understand some of it. Take a look at the old models and look at the new models and you cannot help but laugh at how awful the old models are. Some of them really should just belong in a museum or in a display of "what was" 90s memorabilia.

But I would never refuse to play against someone who fielded old models, nor give them any crap about it beyond some polite ribbing ("Wow, these models look older than I am!").

ValentineGames wrote:
You're not supposed to collect minis you enjoy. You're supposed to collect what is demanded of you.

I've seen it over and over.
Liking the old miniatures gets you accused of being an idiot.
Wearing rose tinted glasses.
Being cheap.
Being lazy.
Being stuck in the past.
Cheating.
Modeling for advantage.
Having no respect
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Honestly your bs scale will break around these idiots.
The only thing you can do is tell them to Pee Off. Don't be polite or nice because they don't understand that kind of talk and see it as weakness.

It's quite odd, as it appears there is this fairly recent influx of players who do not seem to understand how much longevity there is in wargaming models. They like want this kind of instant gratification and will declare "Kit X is SOOOOOOO old and needs replacing IMMEDIATELY!" when it only came out in like 2012 or something, not understanding that the same kit being in production for 10+ years is the norm and not the exception.

Sounds unfortunate. I still run a lot of 1st edition Aspect Warriors (Jes Goodwin's originals are the classics). I also run a lot of 1st/2nd edition metal Terminators because I made a pretty decent job of painting them and I don't want to replace them.

Luckily I have never had anything but compliments for my vintage minis although a few opponents have been slightly surprised to get beaten by an army that has miniatures older than they are in it.

Not to mention some lines like Eldar have units that at approaching 20 years or more. From what Ive been told the vypers is still 1997 just a new box?

Has the Falcon really had any changes besides add ons since 1998?

I know the new' new' aspects are a dozen or more years old.

The Phoenix lords and Avatar (not FW) are getting over 25 years I believe.

Just because they were finecast or such....it is still the same design.

What other factions other than Eldar have been stuck with a set of very old sculpts>

 admironheart wrote:
Not to mention some lines like Eldar have units that at approaching 20 years or more. From what Ive been told the vypers is still 1997 just a new box?

Has the Falcon really had any changes besides add ons since 1998?

I know the new' new' aspects are a dozen or more years old.

The Phoenix lords and Avatar (not FW) are getting over 25 years I believe.

Just because they were finecast or such....it is still the same design.

What other factions other than Eldar have been stuck with a set of very old sculpts>

Guard are in a similar space to Eldar; both have "new" stuff from 5e-6e (circa 2010-2012) (new Hellhound, new Sentinels, new Windriders, new Wraithguard...) but the core of the range dates back to 3e (circa 2000).

Khorne Zerkers are from 2nd edition except the backpack iirc.

I think that. like most things in this hobby, it comes down to "rule of cool". If you have a 2nd edition army that looks like you painted it when you were ten, you are going to give a bad impression. However, you take those same models and give them a nice paint job, a few conversions and a good basing theme, then few people will object.

The only problem I can see is if a player is specifically using older models for an advantage, due to size differences. This situation would highly depend on the person involved though, as the problem would be exacerbated by other problematic behaviour. By itself, with a friendly and fun gamer at the helm, it shouldn't be a big deal.

Having old edition models is a mark of prestige, not shame. I miss the days I could get 5 lead pewter Eldar Aspect Warriors for $10 CAD.

Yes, some of the old stuff is a bit dated, but it's part of their charm.

 John Prins wrote:
Having old edition models is a mark of prestige, not shame. I miss the days I could get 5 lead pewter Eldar Aspect Warriors for $10 CAD.

Yes, some of the old stuff is a bit dated, but it's part of their charm.

I had a friend who bought every Eldar blister pack that our GW had, back in the "Great Lead Sale". I still remember putting all of those things together. I think I still have one of the Swooping Hawks, may have to use it for a base corpse at some point...