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Screamers lacking a debuff mechanic on their charge was the most mind numbingly dumb thing. Very nice change there.

A big overview like this is WAY more interesting.

I really like the changes they've done to the Targs. Dothraki should be rightfully feared, and I think they will be.

Khal Drogo seeking out enemy characters to duel is also badass.

Maybe this is just me, but I wished they could add some Westerosi Targaryen loyalists to the game.

Or give the Targaryens the same treatment they gave the Baratheon split between Renly and Stannis, but now between Daenerys and Aegon.

Say Danaerys gets dragons, Dothraki, Unsullied, Freemen etc. while Aegon gets the Golden Company and Westerosi Targaryen loyalists that can serve either Targaryen?

I hope Golden Company makes it into the game as a "neutral focus" like the Boltons have.

So... neutral heroes 3 and then 3-4 units.

I like the idea of having them Neutral, because they way they could ally with the Targs, or the Martells, or stand alone on their own. So far in the books, it's unclear which direction they'd go.

I'm pretty hopeful we'll see Golden Company at some point. I think Michael Shinall mentioned said as much during some podcast or something.

I can't remember or find where, and I might just be remembering wish listing, but I still think it is more likely than not likely.

I'm hoping we see Free Folk on today's Vision in the Flames. I've been finishing painting and basing many units lately, so I hope they end up a fun and still true horde army.

I really enjoyed being able to bring a bunch of chaff units.

https://asoiaf.cmon.com/news/visions-in-the-flames-free-folk-in-2021

Free Folk got some reveals today.



Everything is 5 points. I'm not real thrilled about the new Chosen of Styr, as I really liked the old version.

That being said, it looks like it will be a fun finesse army. Lots of weak chaff that can pull off combos if you play cleverly.

FF are my main army, and I'm reasonably happy with this update.

Cave Dweller savages with an Alpha look like a lot of fun... They are basically worse umber berserkers, but I'll take it.

What would be your advice for a Free Folk player who has the starter set and want sto expand. I guess a hero box, but what units would you say are must-have?

Cyel wrote:
What would be your advice for a Free Folk player who has the starter set and want sto expand. I guess a hero box, but what units would you say are must-have?

The Hero boxes (just Heroes 1 in this case) should pretty much always be your first port of call.

Right now everything else is a bit up in the air with 1.7 coming out soon and shaking up the meta, although the upcoming Mammoths are probably made with 1.7 in mind. The most common advice I see for Free Folk is to buy the Starter Set again owing to their horde tactics, particularly since you can often find it cheaper than other factions. Followers of Bone are quite good at the moment as well, but again, everything's liable to be shaken up soon. Thenn Warriors will probably remain as a reliable bunker for your Commanders going into the future though, so those are probably 'safe'.

Thank you! These units look cool, so that's an added bonus

What's 1.7? A new edition / "half-edition" of rules? Is it just for model rules or general ones too?

Cyel wrote:
Thank you! These units look cool, so that's an added bonus

What's 1.7? A new edition / "half-edition" of rules? Is it just for model rules or general ones too?

Based on the spoilers we saw a couple days ago for 1.7 I would say Cave dweller savages would be your first buy after heroes box 1.

Thenns look like a pass for right now, but we haven't seen the whole faction yet, so there may be some piece or attachment that makes them worth while.

If I were you, I would buy in this order:
Heroes box 1
Cave Dweller savages
Followers of Bone
Spear Wives

Then maybe another box of raiders... But by that point we should know a little better how the faction is playing, and Mammoths might have finally gotten released.

1.7 is basically a new version of the rules with all (basically) units getting stats adjustments and new tactics cards.

The designers say it is just a half edition, but the community feels otherwise. They are calling it 1.7 rather than 2.0

Thank you guys! Very helpful!

So any boxes I buy now will have outdated rules inside?

Is this site going to be a good source of updated cards once 1.7 goes live? : https://asoiaf-stats.com/builder

Cyel wrote:
Thank you guys! Very helpful!

So any boxes I buy now will have outdated rules inside?

Is this site going to be a good source of updated cards once 1.7 goes live? : https://asoiaf-stats.com/builder

Yes, boxes sitting on the shelf will have outdated rules unfortunately.

Yep, the site you linked will have updated unit stats, CMON will also provide a free printable PDF of the cards on their website, and they will also sell a card pack with all updated cards for each faction.

The free and official army building app (War Council) will also have the updated stats.

Great news! Thanks again.

Starks got some 2021 updates today:
[/url]https://www.cmon.com/news/vision-in-the-flames-stark-in-2021[url]


Everything looking really good. Glad to see wolves finally cost points by themselves. Grey Wind looks super solid for 3pts.

I'm a Stark player and I really like the update.

I'm glad the wolves got beefier to justify their price. Grey Wind looks great for 3 points, any players complaining about him really need to stop thinking about "what was", and look at him with an open mind. He'll be a nice blocker to any unit with 4+ to hit (there's more now) and can debuff elite units to give your relatively soft Stark units some defense.

Sworn Swords are still the best 5 point unit imo. I knew they'd lose the 3+ to hit, but gaining sundering was a surprise. I like it, makes them an all-arounder.

I saw people saying the Greataxes were bad, but I disagree. 5+ morale and 4+ save is very good defensive stats, and their offensive stats are solid also. Not a bad bunker for your commander.

 Red Viper wrote:
I'm a Stark player and I really like the update.

I'm glad the wolves got beefier to justify their price. Grey Wind looks great for 3 points, any players complaining about him really need to stop thinking about "what was", and look at him with an open mind. He'll be a nice blocker to any unit with 4+ to hit (there's more now) and can debuff elite units to give your relatively soft Stark units some defense.

Sworn Swords are still the best 5 point unit imo. I knew they'd lose the 3+ to hit, but gaining sundering was a surprise. I like it, makes them an all-arounder.

I saw people saying the Greataxes were bad, but I disagree. 5+ morale and 4+ save is very good defensive stats, and their offensive stats are solid also. Not a bad bunker for your commander.

Yeah, I think the changes are fair. I agree with your assessment of Stark Sworn Swords as absolutely fantastic for 5pts.

Of course I'm a FreeFolk player so all the Stark stuff looks amazing to me! I'm glad that the wolves have an appropriate cost now.

I think people are discounting the Greataxes taking zero wounds on average on their last rank whole simultaneously causing an extra two wounds to opponent. That resolves a lot of protracted combats in favor of Greataxes.

CMON spoiled some of the updated tactics cards coming down the pipe for the Lannisters today.

They look flat out scary and very thematic.
https://cmon.com/news/visions-in-the-flames-lannisters-in-2021



I'm excited to see the Lannisters get some of the spotlight as they have suffered a bit under the last edition.

If you are unfamiliar with the game, you might not be able to tell it, but this army plays very thematically with lots of counterplay, and frustrating your opponents plans.

Tywin is an absolute beast on the tactics board as he should be.

These Lannisters look like tons of fun to play with and a good challenge to play against. I'm pretty excited by these reveals.

Has anyone had any experience of painting the ASoIAF and know whether contrast paints will take well to them?

Are they very nicely detailed/textured surfaces on the minis? Unlike some people who I know, in between leaving their last will and testament and all wordly belongings to Contrast Paints, and are now using Contrast to paint their houses and cars because it's so amazing I've had very variable results - really struggled with some board game pieces (Arcadia Quest in particular) and larger flat surfaces. However had great result with Star Wars Legion droids.

Many thanks in advance!

I'm... not sure. There's not a lot of surface detail, but there's enough cloaks and the like that they might take contrast fairly well. I haven't tried it personally though.

 Pacific wrote:
Has anyone had any experience of painting the ASoIAF and know whether contrast paints will take well to them?

Are they very nicely detailed/textured surfaces on the minis? Unlike some people who I know, in between leaving their last will and testament and all wordly belongings to Contrast Paints, and are now using Contrast to paint their houses and cars because it's so amazing I've had very variable results - really struggled with some board game pieces (Arcadia Quest in particular) and larger flat surfaces. However had great result with Star Wars Legion droids.

Many thanks in advance!

What miniatures in particular?

I used it to nice effect on many of my FreeFolk. Black templar was a godsend for my nights watch. Didn't work as well on my Lannister guardsmen tunics.

Lots of people in the community paint up their stuff with contrast. The results depend 60% on the miniature sculpt (does it have lots of texture/wrinkles) and 40% on painter skill (did you undercoat with appropriate color, thin properly, apply the right amount, etc.)

If you are thinking about some miniature in particular I can give you my opinion on whether I think it will work out not.

 Pacific wrote:
Has anyone had any experience of painting the ASoIAF and know whether contrast paints will take well to them?

Are they very nicely detailed/textured surfaces on the minis? Unlike some people who I know, in between leaving their last will and testament and all wordly belongings to Contrast Paints, and are now using Contrast to paint their houses and cars because it's so amazing I've had very variable results - really struggled with some board game pieces (Arcadia Quest in particular) and larger flat surfaces. However had great result with Star Wars Legion droids.

Many thanks in advance!

I have!

https://www.gry-planszowe.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=71117

I can translate this tutorial when I have a moment. But it's mostly contrasts straight on grey seer primer, less than 20minutes/ miniature.

Cyel wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Has anyone had any experience of painting the ASoIAF and know whether contrast paints will take well to them?

Are they very nicely detailed/textured surfaces on the minis? Unlike some people who I know, in between leaving their last will and testament and all wordly belongings to Contrast Paints, and are now using Contrast to paint their houses and cars because it's so amazing I've had very variable results - really struggled with some board game pieces (Arcadia Quest in particular) and larger flat surfaces. However had great result with Star Wars Legion droids.

Many thanks in advance!

I have!

https://www.gry-planszowe.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=71117

I can translate this tutorial when I have a moment. But it's mostly contrasts straight on grey seer primer, less than 20minutes/ miniature.

Your link doesn't work for me. Could you drop some pictures here?

http://warmachina.com.pl/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=8342

maybe this one?

Is minis gaming big in Poland now? Whether warmachine or board games (I love that they snagged the polish equivalent of boardgames.com!). The only problem is that (at least for me) you have to be a member of the forum and log in to see what is on your board game link.

Poland has had some of the strongest teams at the Warmachine WTC for as long as its been running.

First grassroots initiatives for international team tournaments started with Warhammer Fantasy (ETC) and Poland has always done really well there.

The idea actually originated in 6th ed WFB when Polish and Danish players were in disagreement on The Warhammer Forum, with the bone of contention being the usefulness of huge Black Knight units in VC armies The only way of determining who was right was to pack 5 Polish players into a car and travel to Denmark where they (or should I say - we ) faced 5 Danish players in 5 rounds of everyone-plays-everyone.

After that a friend of mine who organised the whole thing decided that it could be a very cool thing to have 5-strong teams from all over Europe compete against each other and the Warhammer European Team Championships were born (and included not just teams from Europe but from all over the world). with the first organised in Poland.

It later spawned similar initiatives, like for example the World Team Championships for Warmachine&Hordes.

Ok, I made a shorter version of the tutorial. Just names of paints and time it took.

Started from zenithal priming (Vallejo black spray then Grey Seer)



STAGE 1 (45min)
Aethermatic Blue (30minutes), Seraphim Sepia (15min). Lightest tones first as they will be easier to paint over later.


STAGE 2 (30min)
Wyldwood on bases


STAGE 3 (60min)
Bases - Abbadon Black (20min), mixed with white on stones (10min). Wyldwood on shields (30min).


STAGE 4 (60min)
Various paints on leather: Wyldwood, Gore-Grunta Fur, Nazdreg Yellow, Vallejo Skin Wash


STAGE 5 (170min!!!)
Ironbreaker. The only stage where I had to be relatively careful with a smaller brush - by far the longest as a result!


STAGE 6 (60min)
Nuln Oil on metal parts.


STAGE 7 (70min)
Details left
Gold - 30min
White wolves- 20min
Facial hair - 20min

500minutes/26 models, so ~19minutes/model (not counting adding tufts/unit tray)




Some brushes used


1- Nuln Oil wash
2- metal
3- drybrush (stones)
4- cloth
5- leather

Very nice! Love the blue and the brown together.

Indeed.. very nice work!

Seems I don't know when I'll get into this game. Had a mess in my life so its a bit on its head, but we'll see when I can get hold of the starter set in the future.

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In regards to the painted figures above. Those are very nice although from a pedant point of view those are the Arryn colors, not the Stark ones. :(