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Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first? Didn't even get anything in chapter approved. That's just insulting business practices to go "oh yeah we know your army is unfinished, but screw you, we're going to move on to campaigns now. Have fun with a broken index army that you've waited over a year for."

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now

Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

Like whom?

I've seen no one whsioering information anywhere online.

Danny slag wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first?

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

It's apparently releasing at the end of January, some reviewers are getting it now

Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months. and if it was that close they should have waited until after the codex to do any campaign books so that it wasn't the one single army left completely out of the new rules. Writing a campaign book that blatantly leaves out one army was a slap in the face. It was also a really poor planning on their part. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

Trust me, it's happening real soon. Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

Danny slag wrote:
. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

So i guess Genesteeler cults didnt get a couple Specialist Detatchments in Vigilus? Nor are they one of the Primary Antagonists? I guess they also haven't shown off a bunch of new models over the past couple months either... I must have imagined all of that then?

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
. I mean who makes such a bone headed decision to be like "lets move on to campaigns, and shove those out, who cares if one army isn't done yet, just don't include them."

So i guess Genesteeler cults didnt get a couple Specialist Detatchments in Vigilus? Nor are they one of the Primary Antagonists? I guess they also haven't shown off a bunch of new models over the past couple months either... I must have imagined all of that then?

You mean the detachments they cannot, legally, give their armies the relics for outside of their generic starting relic because they lack the necessary stratagem all other codexes have the award extra relics?

Yeah man, that one.

Don't be obtuse on purpose, you know he was obviously writing that regarding who has access to codexes before expanding other content, not the content of vigilus.

Im not being obtuse, he literally says "Just dont include them."

They are obviously included.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Im not being obtuse, he literally says "Just dont include them."

They are obviously included.

Sure they're included in the fluff, but they can't use any of the rules in it. I was speaking of rules, not fluff.

Also you seem to be confused on the difference between things that are done and things that aren't. See, showing models isn't a codex, it isn't complete, it isn't actually anything. It's showing models. So how does showing some pictures of some models equal having our codex?

They should not have moved on to campaigns and crimson fist supplements prior to finishing the damn GSC codex.

How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

Read the entirety of what I wrote.

I said you can't take anything beyond their starting relic (as in the single relic every army can take one of, for free), as they lack the necessary rules to take addition relics.

EX:

GSC player brings an anointed throng and broodcoven.

They can take only one relic.

Space marine player takes two specialists. Spends 1 CP to take two relics.

GSC are now, by virtue of not having a codex, unable to take full use of the rules from vigilus. It's great they're in vigilus, I won't be upset about that for a moment, but they clearly lack additional support that ll others do.

Not being able to take 2 Relics is not the same as being unable to use the rules in the book. You're defeating your own point.

Sure, you can't have both relics, that sucks. But you can take the Detatchments and use their other rules.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

For units that aren't even released yet...

Tell me where i can buy abominations or aberrants other than 2nd hand tooth and claw boxes? oh and do I have rules for those? only if i print them out from photocopies on the internet.

The support for GSC is a joke, and the funniest part about fanboi defenders is if it was your army getting the shaft you'd be irritated, but this community often has the attitude of "aint my army so screw you."

You... Wouldn't call relics additional rules?

Alright.

We disagree and likely will not agree.

I see no reason to argue further.

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

For units that aren't even released yet...

Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.

Cephalobeard wrote:You... Wouldn't call relics additional rules?

Alright.

We disagree and likely will not agree.

I see no reason to argue further.

I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

The 5th doesn't sound realistic to me. The 5th would mean a pre-order on the 12th and GW has already confirmed more Gloomspite Grots for the 12th.

He said the units weren't released yet.

Aberrants.

You can't buy them outside of box sets.

He didn't say they didn't have rules.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

For units that aren't even released yet...

Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.

Cephalobeard wrote:You... Wouldn't call relics additional rules?

Alright.

We disagree and likely will not agree.

I see no reason to argue further.

I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.

did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?

Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

For units that aren't even released yet...

Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.

Cephalobeard wrote:You... Wouldn't call relics additional rules?

Alright.

We disagree and likely will not agree.

I see no reason to argue further.

I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.

did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?

Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.

Actually edit the 3rd, I thought you meant that model didnt exist at all.

Just because you dont like the way to buy it doesnt mean its not there and that you cant get the rules. So, you can run it, everything in the Vigilus book, other than being able to take 2 Relics.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Danny slag wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
How can you not use the rules? You spend a CP you get the detatchment and can take the relic for that detatchment.

For units that aren't even released yet...

Which units dont have rules that you can use in the Detatchments? Anointed Throng is Aberrants, which have rules. Deliverence Bloodsurge is acolytes, neophytes, Iconwards and goliath trucks.

Cephalobeard wrote:You... Wouldn't call relics additional rules?

Alright.

We disagree and likely will not agree.

I see no reason to argue further.

I wouldnt say not being able to have 2 relics is the same as not being able to have the rules in general, that's disingenuous.

did you miss the part where you have to take the abominant for it, which requires buying $80 worth of space wolves?

Like i said, if you'd taken the time to read it. You can't get that stuff outside of tooth and claw, and i shouldn't have to buy a $130 box set to get some of the rules for my army because GW can't be arsed to finish the codex.

Never mind that one unit, ok.

Still have the other for the time being. And them being in there is future proofing

i get that, but wouldn't you be irritated if your army was gak on by just skipping it to move on to campaign stuff? If it was just left out in the cold because, fu? I've been waiting over a year to be able to play my army. It wasn't even one of those armies that's semi doable with index, it's flat out broken, and the first big FAQ completely broke it. I'm not talking dakka -not-best-unit-in-game so must broken, i'm talking legitimately broke the core rule for GSC and told us "your codex is almost here, so don't worry we know this broke your army but the codex will fix it." then months and months later your army is still not fixed?

Or when over half of your units can only be bought in large unwieldy box sets, abominant, abominations, broodlords, magus, primus.

GSO is getting the shaft and GW just kinda brushed it off like, "nah, we'd rather sell campaigns to current armies than finish yours."

Or releasing rules that literally don't work and can't work until the codex which has been teased for 6 freaking months without anything showing up.

But they arent brushing it off, they put stuff in the book, knowing that the Genesteelers were coming out soon. We've known most of the releases for a while and that GSC wouldnt be for a while.

I sympathize with your army being not great, I do, but to say you've gotten nothing is disingenuous. The army is there, you have 2 Specialist Detachments, we've seen alot that is on the way for your army.

You arent being skipped, its a precursor to your Codex.

Aberrants being stuck in a huge box sucks, but I wouldnt say that Broodlords, Magus and Primus are stuck in an unwieldy box set. They come in a box together you can buy seperately, and you can get a Second Broodlord by just buying the Tyranid one. Also ebay. A quick look showed me several of the Abominants for like 18 bucks.

If 6 months is too long for you, what do you think for all the SoB players who have waited actual years? Or Dark Eldar players in 5e? Necron Players also in 5e.

Or the legions of AoS players who are still waiting for even a hint of what battletomes might be to come!

Cultists are safe, they've know they are getting a codex for ages and whilst I can agree its odd that GW has been a bit slow in getting theirs out; it is coming and sounds like its very very soon!

 Ghaz wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

The 5th doesn't sound realistic to me. The 5th would mean a pre-order on the 12th and GW has already confirmed more Gloomspite Grots for the 12th.

They haven't announced it yet if you paid attention in the last few months, there they will finally do (also unveiling new GSC models)

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Also January the 5th they will be officially revealing it

The 5th doesn't sound realistic to me. The 5th would mean a pre-order on the 12th and GW has already confirmed more Gloomspite Grots for the 12th.

They haven't announced it yet if you paid attention in the last few months, there they will finally do (also unveiling new GSC models)

And again they have 'announced' there's a codex coming. We've even seen new models for them. The only announcement left is for when it's going to be released which they usually do the week before it goes on pre-order. So if they make their announcement on the 5th, it will be released alongside a large Gloomspite Grots release. So again I find an announcement on the 5th (actually the 6th) that they're going on pre-order on the 12th unrealistic.

It's coming, cool your jets.

Well, they've already released images of the new units so I doubt it is far off.

December has often been void of codex releases and Orks were technically November so I am not surprised if January ends up being the release date.

Now, if you have had no news and it were February 1st then I'd understand being annoyed.

A few minor points...

A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.

B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.

C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.

Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?

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You may now return to your regularly scheduled rant...

GW did not forget about GSC. They just mentioned them in:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/01/1st-dec-the-top-5-things-to-look-forward-to-in-2019gw-homepage-post-3/

 Dysartes wrote:
A few minor points...

A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.

B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.

C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.

Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?

* * *

You may now return to your regularly scheduled rant...

Indeed - excellent post.

No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.

After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
A few minor points...

A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.

B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.

C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.

Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?

* * *

You may now return to your regularly scheduled rant...

Indeed - excellent post.

No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.

After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.

Militarum Tempestus codex supplement!?!