Shadow Spear / New Chaos Space Marines

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**insaniak**

Galas wrote:
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The Primaris Librarian was the first Librarian I liked because he had an helmet...

He was a long way from being the first Librarian with a helmet...

**Galas**

He was the first Librarian with a helmet that I saw in modern times**

**Kinetochore**

Hmmm, already got Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard and Word Bearers armies, now I'm going to have to add a black legion detachment* for Abaddon!

*detachment many actually end up being about 4,000 points worth with only 1,500 actually painted and assembled

**Latro_**

just realized that new libby is actually maybe a re-imagining of a very old model no?

Spoiler:

**phillv85**

I’m pretty excited for this box. I’ve been waiting on the next set of Primaris Marines to come out. Now i’ll need to decide if I want to make a Black Legion force or just have different sized Night Lords....

**robbienw**

Whos idea was it to put the whole of primaris wave 2 in reiver armour, complete with the long capris shorts legs, lol.

**Kdash**

So, I’m curious about the Librarian.

Is he a master of Stealth which buffs those around him, or, does he have access to new psychic powers that are stealth related?

**Latro_**

Did some high res screen grabs of abby preview:

**Kinetochore**

Is that a mini Daemon wing bit of bling or a crazy red quiff he is rocking (2nd and 4th pic)

Cant quite work out scale but the foot looks about the size of primaris torso

**Hanskrampf**

Kinetochore wrote:
Is that a mini Daemon wing bit of bling or a crazy red quiff he is rocking (2nd and 4th pic)

Cant quite work out scale but the foot looks about the size of primaris torso

It's his glorious hair.

**Ratius**

Nice screen grabs dude!
"He Return" might get meme-ified

**Latro_**

i like the warmaster of chaos him self still rocks rule of cool by keeping his armour's pipe's not properly insulated.

**Rain**

I might be a bit off here with different angles and what not, but the new CSM seem to have been at the steroids a little:

**lord_blackfang**

I'm sure we'll all enjoy resolving 4 different weapon profiles on that Obliterator every turn.

**DamonRafael**

Rain wrote:
I might be a bit off here with different angles and what not, but the new CSM seem to have been at the steroids a little:

Regular C. marines should be of the same size as the Blackstone Fortress ones, I guess?!
Not sure about the obliterators

**PiñaColada**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sure we'll all enjoy resolving 4 different weapon profiles on that Obliterator every turn.

Okay so my hellflayer bolter and heavy reaper plasma cannon goes into unit X
My doomlord bolt cannon goes into unit Y
And my eternal tormenter meltagun goes into unit Z

Something like that? And this is evfen assuming all oblits have the same loadout

**Redemption**

Or they just count as the fleshmetal guns they currently have.

**Galas**

To be honest I think they'll keep their actual rules. They just have a bunch of weapons to reflect their fluff.

Or not, who knows.

**Not Online!!!**

Rain wrote:
I might be a bit off here with different angles and what not, but the new CSM seem to have been at the steroids a little:

FAAAAAAABIIIOOOOUUUUUSSSSSSSSS
STOP PUTTING DRUGS IN MY WARRIORS!

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

I’d be pleasantly surprised if obliterators got new rules. A bit big for their current stats, though. Oh well, rule of cool.

**timetowaste85**

Does anybody else see Bane when they look at that new Obliterator? Honestly, not even sure that’s a bad thing!

**Vector Strike**

Oh, my! I hope DA can use these new Primaris. I can see already a primaris-fied Ezekiel and helluva nice scout snipers!

timetowaste85 wrote:
Does anybody else see Bane when they look at that new Obliterator? Honestly, not even sure that’s a bad thing!

Yup, looks like a 'direct' inspiration. Like most things in 40k

**jeff white**

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/NYOpendayReveals-Jan5-ChaosReveal16jvfahe.jpg
Sorry if this has come up these past 11 pages, I didn't look at them all.

This is a cool model I think.
But does something about the seeming movement of the figure
and the orientation of the flames
seem out of sync?

Maybe it is due to the fact that it is a picture,
but I wonder if the flames might have been used to give a stronger sense of violent movement.
Seems like the flames indicate that he is sort of hovering there,
maybe floating by,
with his knee sticking out.

First impression anyways.

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timetowaste85 wrote:
Does anybody else see Bane when they look at that new Obliterator? Honestly, not even sure that’s a bad thing!

Sure, hulking archetypal brute.
That obliterator model is very much an improvement imo.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Absolutely love that CSM are going to the more baroque look first seen in Dark Vengeance.

Been a long time coming, but seems Chaos is getting some much needed love.

Yeah, along with sisters this thematic read seems insightful.

**Brutus_Apex**

I was there...

10,000 years ago at the gates of the imperial palace when GW released their last update for Chaos.

And now I see finally the wait has been worth it.

Oblits are fine, I’m neither here nor there on them.

Venom thing looks cool

Chaos Marines are really what I’ve bwen waiting for. I liken then, but I hope they don’t just have basically 3 new models and that’s it. I really need a ful box.

Can’t wait for the full Abaddon release.

Might restart my Black Legion after all

**Ratius**

But does something about the seeming movement of the figure
and the orientation of the flames
seem out of sync?

Its that summer breeze, come rolling in, from across the Rift.....do diddly do da do

**Latro_**

Looking at it again it looks like abby might be rocking a big back banner now instead of his spice racks:

**Voss**

So Reivers are the sneaky primaris, but these are the even more sneaky primaris? Well, good, I guess?

**Hanskrampf**

Voss wrote:
So Reivers are the sneaky primaris, but these are the even more sneaky primaris? Well, good, I guess?

Reivers are Shocktroops.
Drop in, scary masks, psycho grenades, big knifes.

**alleus**

I really, really like the new Primaris. The snipers are amazing, and if they get Kill Team rules I am 100% sold. A small Kill Team of infiltrators and snipers is the dream.

**DarkStarSabre**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Absolutely love that CSM are going to the more baroque look first seen in Dark Vengeance.

Been a long time coming, but seems Chaos is getting some much needed love.

First seen on the Chaos Raptors in 5th edition you mean.

I'm pretty sure those Chaos Raptors were the first sign of the direction GW wanted to go...just a shame the Chaos Terminators were meh and the Possessed were a trainwreck.

I've got really high hopes for this box! I'm looking forward to Abaddon first though so I can finish my supreme command detachment to go with my World Eaters....