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does anyone think the vanguards will use a blip system similar to the GSC? or a mechanic different?

Excited for shadow spear, sold all my BNIB tau I got for Xmas and now have some cash sat in my PayPal account ready to pull the trigger once thise goes up for pre order.

Crimson fists will be getting reinforcements and my iron warriors army will be rekindled again with chaos half.

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder how this Vanguard stuff works organisation wise. Does a Primaris chapter have full Vanguard companies, or are these units in mixed companies with other units?

from the Shadow War for Nemedghast part 1 "+++ Incoming Message +++

+++ Security Grade: Classified Extremis

+++ Priority: Alpha-Ultima

+++ Sender: Librarian Maltis, Ultramarines 2nd Company, Strike Force Shadowspear"


relevant part bolded for emphisis

Thus we know the Strikeforce in question here, strikeforce Shadowspear, consists of elements of 2nd company. thus we can conclude that Vanguard forces are mixed into compoanies, the big question is of course company orginization at this point I'm really thinking GW's going to have to have gulliman radically alter the codex to make company orginization make any kind of sense

The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

Or they are just command level attachments to the company like chaplains.
On the other hand, Guilliman is pragmatic, so he could be pushing a wider use of the librarius to confront the surge of Chaos.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

Okay, I wasn't the only one confused by that. Unlike Chaplains, Librarians are not part of the Company structure. However, he could just be indicating he is leading the Strike Force, but it really doesn't seem that way.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

that could just indicate the Libby was attached to the 2nd company command structure at the time but yeah good point, we know from 8th edition codex marines that people can be attached to battle companies on a more perminant basis this is proably for OOC modeling consideration as much as anything else (so you can depict 3 devestator squads with gold trim and not be canon breaking) one wonders if this will apply to specialsits as well under the revised codex

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

Okay, I wasn't the only one confused by that. Unlike Chaplains, Librarians are not part of the Company structure. However, he could just be indicating he is leading the Strike Force, but it really doesn't seem that way.

Some Chaplains. Most Chaplains have always been part of the Reclusiam and attached as needed, with ten permanently attached to Companies as the 2IC. Of course, we now have lieutenants to lead demi-companies, so who knows how the organisation is codified now.

 Haighus wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The most interesting thing about that description of the force organisation is that librarians are folded into company structure as opposed to being attached from the librarius

Okay, I wasn't the only one confused by that. Unlike Chaplains, Librarians are not part of the Company structure. However, he could just be indicating he is leading the Strike Force, but it really doesn't seem that way.

Some Chaplains. Most Chaplains have always been part of the Reclusiam and attached as needed, with ten permanently attached to Companies as the 2IC. Of course, we now have lieutenants to lead demi-companies, so who knows how the organisation is codified now.

Yeah, how Chaplains fit in is kind of up in the air now. Perhaps a single Chaplain and Librarian are attached to each Company as advisers to the Captain and LTs?

I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

Sotahullu wrote:
I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

Gulliman already has and I expect the tinkering to continue. I'd not be suprised to learn if several Ultima founding chapters where orginized differantly as gulliman experimented with formations etc

Sotahullu wrote:
I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

I wonder if the Chapters that have contingencies in place to reform at Legion strength (Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, etc) will be enacting those plans anytime soon, bolstered with Primaris recruits?

Lion El’Jonson showing up and saying “feth Guilliman, we a Legion again bois!” alongside a fantastic model release would be exciting,

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

I wonder if the Chapters that have contingencies in place to reform at Legion strength (Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, etc) will be enacting those plans anytime soon, bolstered with Primaris recruits?

Lion El’Jonson showing up and saying “feth Guilliman, we a Legion again bois!” alongside a fantastic model release would be exciting,

I think it'd be just as hilarious of Johnson show'd back up and became the largest booster of Gulliman's reforms. Just for the sheer "wtf" factor it'd have.

Ah, if you look at the possessed dude's backpack to the right of this image, looks like the latest daemon engine is his.

Sotahullu wrote:
I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

This is not something seen as hard evidence for my thoughts that librarians are within companies now, mainly because it has been seen before in artwork and on models all though there is no reason for it.... BUT this vanguard librarian chap has the 2nd company gold trim on his shoulder pad.

Again, I'm not stating that this is definite hard evidence to say they are now, but it does add to the ambiguity of it at the moment.

I've always liked the idea that librarians, like tech marines, and in some chapters chaplains even are not so intertwined with command and the typical battle brothers. Like they are outcasts of sorts, a potential walking warp rift nuke, I don't really want them being part of companies.

Voss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
A better picture of the heavy weapon primaris.

Spoiler:

I love the new heavy weapons drop primaris.

Now I'm wondering how many people will recognize that as a Rifts SAMUS, and not GW concept art.

Me, me! Just a couple months ago I was swatting them out of the sky with a Boomgun!

I am excited now we just need veteran units for Primaris.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I am excited now we just need veteran units for Primaris.

honestly.. the indomatus crusaders gives us the ability to make a unit of intercessors vetern, that's. as ideas go, not one I think is a bad idea. if GW decided to cut down on vetern units and instead make them stratigium upgrades in the future I'd not be ENTIRELY opposed to GW expanding on that.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
I think its indicated that librarian is just leading the strikeforce. Not that much else unless Vanguards are something very different.

But for fluff side of things I think Guilliman is going to change how chapters are organized and/or formed.

This is not something seen as hard evidence for my thoughts that librarians are within companies now, mainly because it has been seen before in artwork and on models all though there is no reason for it.... BUT this vanguard librarian chap has the 2nd company gold trim on his shoulder pad.

Again, I'm not stating that this is definite hard evidence to say they are now, but it does add to the ambiguity of it at the moment.

I've always liked the idea that librarians, like tech marines, and in some chapters chaplains even are not so intertwined with command and the typical battle brothers. Like they are outcasts of sorts, a potential walking warp rift nuke, I don't really want them being part of companies.

I think that the gold trim on the Librarian is similar to how units from reserve companies, attached to a battle company strike force, can now where the livery of the company they are attached to.

BrianDavion wrote:


Thus we know the Strikeforce in question here, strikeforce Shadowspear, consists of elements of 2nd company. thus we can conclude that Vanguard forces are mixed into compoanies, the big question is of course company orginization at this point I'm really thinking GW's going to have to have gulliman radically alter the codex to make company orginization make any kind of sense

Not necessarily , in previous fluff (I think it was an Iron Warriors Book) it is stated that the Codex allows for flexibility where it makes tactical sense. Obviously GW is changing fluff all the time but they have wiggle room.

It has been stated in a recent novel that Guilliman is re-doing the Codex/writing a new one anyway.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
It has been stated in a recent novel that Guilliman is re-doing the Codex/writing a new one anyway.

and codex space marines 8th edition does show some revisions, I expect further revisions to come as GW adds new units to the primaris roster etc.

*bounces ball against wall*
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/17/pre-order-next-week-start-collecting-sets-boards-and-a-very-special-commissar/
Looks like no Shadow spear pre order for next week then.
*bounces ball against wall*

GoatboyBeta wrote:
*bounces ball against wall*
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/17/pre-order-next-week-start-collecting-sets-boards-and-a-very-special-commissar/
Looks like no Shadow spear pre order for next week then.
*bounces ball against wall*

it wasn't expected. my guess is shadow spear'll be up for pre-order next weekend.

BrianDavion wrote:

it wasn't expected. my guess is shadow spear'll be up for pre-order next weekend.

Seriously, it feels like I have waited forever for them to reveal the full contents of this box.

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

it wasn't expected. my guess is shadow spear'll be up for pre-order next weekend.

Seriously, it feels like I have waited forever for them to reveal the full contents of this box.

yeah I know, I'm proably gonna buy two boxes of this thing.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Ah, if you look at the possessed dude's backpack to the right of this image, looks like the latest daemon engine is his.

GW called you out today.

MORTALS! ‘TIS I, THE DAEMON ENGINE! ONE OF YOUR PUNY NUMBER MANAGED TO GUESS MY VISION OF THE FUTURE YESTERDAY. UNFORTUNATELY, I AM INCAPABLE OF GRANTING THEIR WISH OF PLASTIC FACSIMILES OF ADEPTA SORORITAS, HATED AGENTS OF THE ANATHEMA. I PROFFER UNTO THEE ANOTHER SINISTER VISION INSTEAD!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Ah, if you look at the possessed dude's backpack to the right of this image, looks like the latest daemon engine is his.

GW called you out today.

MORTALS! ‘TIS I, THE DAEMON ENGINE! ONE OF YOUR PUNY NUMBER MANAGED TO GUESS MY VISION OF THE FUTURE YESTERDAY. UNFORTUNATELY, I AM INCAPABLE OF GRANTING THEIR WISH OF PLASTIC FACSIMILES OF ADEPTA SORORITAS, HATED AGENTS OF THE ANATHEMA. I PROFFER UNTO THEE ANOTHER SINISTER VISION INSTEAD!

I like the polearm, just the blade on it kinda makes the chain aspect redundant? Logic n that.

I'm not a fan of how they announce stuff way before it comes out, cause I want it, but at least it let's me know to not buy stuff for a few weeks

I suspect this isn't that far in advance, march is going to be devoted toi a chaos release, wait and see