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2019/02/25 13:22:56
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/02/25 13:23:35
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: actually! scrap what i said it was a guess a poor one... terminators don't have chain axes!
They definitely used to. The new CSM aspiring champ has a
chainaxe as well. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a terminator chain axe. I'd bet on that over new Berserkers, even if they desperately need a new kit.
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2019/02/25 13:32:09
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
As mentioned, it could very well be for a new terminator kit... as well as the power fist, the trophy rack, the glaive and even the mutated foot (as the current terminator kit also feature mutations). I guess a new terminator kit could really be expected, though the trophy rack might very well belong to Abaddon.
Just on a sidenote: In the drawing from the LVO there is a "normal" CSM with a chainaxe and a plasmapistol to be seen (quite in the center). So the Chainaxe could very well be just a preview for the standart CSM.
Spoiler:
2019/02/25 14:10:48
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I've been looking at the Venomcrawler. It's not inconceivable that it is in fact a multi kit with a new defiler sculpt. Just spin the thing around and stick a big cannon out one side. The Helflamer seen on the rumor engine supports this theory a bit as it seems to be pointing backwards relative to the orientation of the crawler.
2019/02/25 14:30:25
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
StarHunter25 wrote: I've been looking at the Venomcrawler. It's not inconceivable that it is in fact a multi kit with a new defiler sculpt. Just spin the thing around and stick a big cannon out one side. The Helflamer seen on the rumor engine supports this theory a bit as it seems to be pointing backwards relative to the orientation of the crawler.
I think it is too small for that. I am picturing the Venomcrawler as being about the same size as a Redemptor Dreadnought, if no smaller. The Defiler is significantly larger than that.
Latro_ wrote: actually! scrap what i said it was a guess a poor one... terminators don't have chain axes!
But they used to.
I can't put my finger on it, but those old chaos modells are so gorgeous. I don't even know why, if it's the nostalgia kicking in....but I love them.
PS: Sorry for derailing. On Topic: I'm afraid that all the hype about new havocs etc. is overdoing it, and the released stuff ist just the equipment of the 10 man CSM Squad (Heacy Bolter, CC Weapons etc)
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2019/02/25 14:58:17
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I can't put my finger on it, but those old chaos modells are so gorgeous. I don't even know why, if it's the nostalgia kicking in....but I love them.
Seeing that kit at the store when I was 12 is one of the foundational moments of my Chaos career #salvagefacts
Also a strong reason why I'm hoping we get a new termi kit and not just a couple of bros for Abby. I mean, I'm fully prepared to make my Lustwing out of the current termis, but I will gleefully take bigger terminators with 5x the options that the rather slim current plastic has going on
*recedes into the background, stacking credits for the impending chaotic deluge*
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LordMcAllister wrote: As mentioned, it could very well be for a new terminator kit... as well as the power fist, the trophy rack, the glaive and even the mutated foot (as the current terminator kit also feature mutations). I guess a new terminator kit could really be expected, though the trophy rack might very well belong to Abaddon.
Just on a sidenote: In the drawing from the LVO there is a "normal" CSM with a chainaxe and a plasmapistol to be seen (quite in the center). So the Chainaxe could very well be just a preview for the standart CSM.
Spoiler:
That particular chainaxe and plasma pistol have already been shown off. Its the champion of the chaos space marine unit (You can see him on the community site or in the first page of this thread)
2019/02/25 15:10:08
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
fraser1191 wrote: I really hope both the snipers and autocannon guys(?) go into the Heavy support slot. The elite slot is getting a little crowded and hellblasters are the only Primaris heavy support. I guess one could go fast attack but it might be a bit of a stretch
I would be fine with one of either of those being Fast Attack. I agree that there are way too many Elites for Primaris (Reivers should be Fast Attack anyway), and they need to spread them out. Truthfully, NONE of the Primaris releases need to be Elites.
Yeah, reivers should have been Fast attack and aggressors should have been Heavy support. But I can only see the snipers being FA is they can infiltrate like scouts, and the other guys drop in like Inceptors so they could be
2019/02/25 15:10:09
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
StarHunter25 wrote: I've been looking at the Venomcrawler. It's not inconceivable that it is in fact a multi kit with a new defiler sculpt. Just spin the thing around and stick a big cannon out one side. The Helflamer seen on the rumor engine supports this theory a bit as it seems to be pointing backwards relative to the orientation of the crawler.
I think it is too small for that. I am picturing the Venomcrawler as being about the same size as a Redemptor Dreadnought, if no smaller. The Defiler is significantly larger than that.
Is it really though? Quite a bit of old Deffy's bulk comes from the chunky legs. The overall shape is the same, just replace the two front legs with big claws, face the side-mounted guns the other way round, then change them to standard defiler kit. Plus, once again, the baleflamer looking thing is mounted on top pointed the wrong way. The more I look at it the more obvious it seems. Plus, the current defiler fits nicely on the big round base that a dunecrawler comes on.
So, in my mind, Defiler/Venomcrawler multi-kit very plausible if not confirmed.
2019/02/25 15:18:28
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
2019/02/25 15:20:15
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
Whilest i am not opposed to a new defiler, i kinda feel other units would need a rework more then it.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/02/25 15:30:02
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
Whilest i am not opposed to a new defiler, i kinda feel other units would need a rework more then it.
Maybe if they were just redoing the defiler kit but we are talking about a dual kit for something they have already shown to have made. So whether or not something could of got updated before the defiler isn't really the point I think. But I would probably disagree another kit (that isn't already shown) be remade over the defiler because the defiler is an option in 3 chaos armies which is 3x the potential sales to something only in the chaos space marine codex baring a new and significantly improved daemon prince model that doesn't suck eggs.
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2019/02/25 15:30:08
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I'm starting to believe we're getting a full re-release of the chaos line in March+April. I'd be willing to bet that over the next 8 days we will see chaos bikes, rhino, predator and land raider (basically last 4 old kits) as either Daemon Engine teases or outright previews.
2019/02/25 15:44:26
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
LordMcAllister wrote: As mentioned, it could very well be for a new terminator kit... as well as the power fist, the trophy rack, the glaive and even the mutated foot (as the current terminator kit also feature mutations). I guess a new terminator kit could really be expected, though the trophy rack might very well belong to Abaddon.
Just on a sidenote: In the drawing from the LVO there is a "normal" CSM with a chainaxe and a plasmapistol to be seen (quite in the center). So the Chainaxe could very well be just a preview for the standart CSM.
Spoiler:
That particular chainaxe and plasma pistol have already been shown off. Its the champion of the chaos space marine unit (You can see him on the community site or in the first page of this thread)
The axe on that champion does not have a skull, not the same axe.
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2019/02/25 16:04:27
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
. It wasn't a good model in the first place. Out of scale with bad joins, and rather frustrating build limitations.
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2019/02/25 16:06:57
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
Whilest i am not opposed to a new defiler, i kinda feel other units would need a rework more then it.
Maybe if they were just redoing the defiler kit but we are talking about a dual kit for something they have already shown to have made. So whether or not something could of got updated before the defiler isn't really the point I think. But I would probably disagree another kit (that isn't already shown) be remade over the defiler because the defiler is an option in 3 chaos armies which is 3x the potential sales to something only in the chaos space marine codex baring a new and significantly improved daemon prince model that doesn't suck eggs.
Why excactly should it generate 3 times as much sales ? You forget that the two "new" armies were just cut out of the general codex.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/02/25 16:14:11
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
Whilest i am not opposed to a new defiler, i kinda feel other units would need a rework more then it.
Maybe if they were just redoing the defiler kit but we are talking about a dual kit for something they have already shown to have made. So whether or not something could of got updated before the defiler isn't really the point I think. But I would probably disagree another kit (that isn't already shown) be remade over the defiler because the defiler is an option in 3 chaos armies which is 3x the potential sales to something only in the chaos space marine codex baring a new and significantly improved daemon prince model that doesn't suck eggs.
Why excactly should it generate 3 times as much sales ? You forget that the two "new" armies were just cut out of the general codex.
Because there are a ton of players that started playing Chaos after DG and TS were split out? Not all Chaos players have been playing for years. I personally have found the Chaos Marine range to be utter crap for going on 20 years now but when DG came out I suddenly decided I wanted a DG army. I really want a defiler but there is zero chance of me buying that monstrosity. Furthermore, I will be buying Shadow Spear and would like to again purchase a defiler for that force as well. So right there if GW made a defiler kit two sales for two armies would be created. That is just me.
2019/02/25 16:17:52
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
LordMcAllister wrote: As mentioned, it could very well be for a new terminator kit... as well as the power fist, the trophy rack, the glaive and even the mutated foot (as the current terminator kit also feature mutations). I guess a new terminator kit could really be expected, though the trophy rack might very well belong to Abaddon.
Just on a sidenote: In the drawing from the LVO there is a "normal" CSM with a chainaxe and a plasmapistol to be seen (quite in the center). So the Chainaxe could very well be just a preview for the standart CSM.
Spoiler:
The trophy rack isn’t from Abaddon:
2019/02/25 16:22:57
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
BrotherGecko wrote: If they made a dual kit with a defiler then someone at GW will deserve a nice bonus for suggesting it because the defiler did not age well. I would also be in favor of scaling down the sprawl of the defiler to fit on a 150mm base. The legs are goofy and just give your opponent more area to target.
Whilest i am not opposed to a new defiler, i kinda feel other units would need a rework more then it.
Maybe if they were just redoing the defiler kit but we are talking about a dual kit for something they have already shown to have made. So whether or not something could of got updated before the defiler isn't really the point I think. But I would probably disagree another kit (that isn't already shown) be remade over the defiler because the defiler is an option in 3 chaos armies which is 3x the potential sales to something only in the chaos space marine codex baring a new and significantly improved daemon prince model that doesn't suck eggs.
Why excactly should it generate 3 times as much sales ? You forget that the two "new" armies were just cut out of the general codex.
Because there are a ton of players that started playing Chaos after DG and TS were split out? Not all Chaos players have been playing for years. I personally have found the Chaos Marine range to be utter crap for going on 20 years now but when DG came out I suddenly decided I wanted a DG army. I really want a defiler but there is zero chance of me buying that monstrosity. Furthermore, I will be buying Shadow Spear and would like to again purchase a defiler for that force as well. So right there if GW made a defiler kit two sales for two armies would be created. That is just me.
That is a subjective viewpoint and does not constitute a general increase off 3x since now 3 CSM armies exist.
Therefore no it won't generate 3 x as many potential sales.
It just will have a "bigger " market then before, but i doubt it to be 3 times.. (I do not have the numbers of increased sales that were based on the split out, therefore i can't state how much it increased compared to just a CSM market)
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/02/25 17:15:36
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I can't put my finger on it, but those old chaos modells are so gorgeous. I don't even know why, if it's the nostalgia kicking in....but I love them.
Seeing that kit at the store when I was 12 is one of the foundational moments of my Chaos career #salvagefacts
My 13 year old self would agree with you. When they came out, it was the coolest kit. That was in a totally different environment though. There are so many kits thats much better looking it is ridiculous. Now I just hope not all of them have tusks, and that the tusksare not that pronounced.
2019/02/25 17:28:36
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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