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2019/02/26 22:52:38
Subject: Shadow Spear - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Its like people theorizing the possessed may just be a single character instead of a unit.
yea! read the above story
There are two possessed pictured behind the MoP in the first video.
Yeah, I agree. It lends more credence to them being Characters/Retinue for the Master of Possesion, rather than a new Possessed kit.
I kind wonder even more now if all the rumour engine photos are of his Retinue and not actually replacement kits for Termies/possessed, etc
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Yep.
Just like a certain Ultramarines character.
He’s the master of Possession. If ever there were going to be some possessed but not a new kit itself, that’s gonna be it.
JSG, that answers your question earlier on how people can think it isn’t a whole unit.
I mean for sure it could be. As could the Termies.
But everyone’s lists of ‘What We KNOW is Coming’ is getting longer and longer. But the only bits we know for sure are the ones pictured.
So there definitely Could be some disappointment coming for some..
(I personally think Termies are a lot coming, Possessed, I don’t know though..)
2019/02/27 00:09:52
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2019/02/27 00:50:05
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
I will admit, it is possible that the foot and maw power fist could go with the Possessed marine on the cover of the boxart. The art does show that he'll have a power fist of some sorts.
That doesn't account for the "moon" shaped claw that we've also been teased, plus the two possessed backpacks (I'm assuming the backpack with skull, spine, and spikes doesn't belong to a standard marine). While it's possible one of those backpacks could go with the boxart model, it still leaves the other one up in the air.
2019/02/27 01:04:12
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
2019/02/27 01:10:51
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
The problem is that none of that fits with the space pirate/raider/reiver theme. CSMs rarely deploy direct from the Warp, so they need some method of deploying direct from their space craft. Currently only Terminators can do that without FW kits.
Any CSM warband is going to heavily prioritise maintaining void-capable drop transports over all else bar their primary warship. Otherwise they are stranded and a sitting duck.
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2019/02/27 02:05:06
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
The problem is that none of that fits with the space pirate/raider/reiver theme. CSMs rarely deploy direct from the Warp, so they need some method of deploying direct from their space craft. Currently only Terminators can do that without FW kits.
Any CSM warband is going to heavily prioritise maintaining void-capable drop transports over all else bar their primary warship. Otherwise they are stranded and a sitting duck.
I agree. Its one of these ideas some of the designers have mentioned while others have eluded to on more than one occasion that just seems so disconnected from the lore. Aren't the Crimson Slaughter drop pod assault specialists? I can think of a couple different novels where the CSM are flying in a drop ship. All things considered, if infrastructure, maintenance, or availability were as big of a problem it wouldn't be the largest transports still flying... it would be the smaller one that are more easily cobbled back together. Meanwhile the collective loyalist marines have gotten plastic kits for 3 different "light" transport flyers.
2019/02/27 02:37:13
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
The problem is that none of that fits with the space pirate/raider/reiver theme. CSMs rarely deploy direct from the Warp, so they need some method of deploying direct from their space craft. Currently only Terminators can do that without FW kits.
Any CSM warband is going to heavily prioritise maintaining void-capable drop transports over all else bar their primary warship. Otherwise they are stranded and a sitting duck.
This is exactly why Renegades like The Crimson Slaughter and Red Corsairs need to be handled in the Vanilla codex via switching of keywords. I know I sound like a broken record but it's such a small task to do and GW refuses to understand or get it.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/02/27 03:02:51
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
The problem is that none of that fits with the space pirate/raider/reiver theme. CSMs rarely deploy direct from the Warp, so they need some method of deploying direct from their space craft. Currently only Terminators can do that without FW kits.
Any CSM warband is going to heavily prioritise maintaining void-capable drop transports over all else bar their primary warship. Otherwise they are stranded and a sitting duck.
This is exactly why Renegades like The Crimson Slaughter and Red Corsairs need to be handled in the Vanilla codex via switching of keywords. I know I sound like a broken record but it's such a small task to do and GW refuses to understand or get it.
Or they disagree with it. They haven't talked about it recently (and don't always succeed) but they've mentioned several times over the years that army identity is an important concept to them. Flippable chaos/imperium armies aren't something they want, for fluff reasons, identity reasons and of course sales reasons. It puts Cypher and the Fallen in a weird spot, but that's largely nostalgia goggles (he once had a model so had to get one again) overcoming good sense.
Really, how 'armies get to the battle' is trivial fluff stuff. It doesn't matter that there aren't chaos drop pod models- they could easily be terrain or command points or whatever. Armies are there and they fight. Game on.
Logistics in the 40k universe are really obviously nonsense word salad, and having chaos drop pods won't ever fix that, any more than having complete and unbroken timelines for each legionnaire from heresy to 41st millenium.
Also, tangent- pirate raider reiver theme? Chaos? They come and eat entire worlds or entire sectors are disrupted and rebel. Low key pirate raids aren't really a focus of chaos.
Starfarer wrote: GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
Pretty sure they've done exactly that sort of thing before. In fact, they have just trumped that for Skaven and Flesheaters. Single new model for each, go buy old stuff.
I honestly, no joking, think there is far less to this release than people are hoping for. Lots of the parts we've been shown are likely from the same kit or even same model in several cases.
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2019/02/27 03:28:40
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Essentially super powerful possessed, I mean we have been needing a chaos space marine similar to just being possessed or a heroic unit that acts like an assassin for chaos.
These guys coming to 40k would be amazing.
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2019/02/27 04:22:40
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Latro_ wrote: Tell you what chaos do need and I'd be loving... A new flyer. I'm trying to see if that pic from a few days back hints at that but can't see anything.
Some kinda half storm raven half heldrake transport oh lawd
Well the storm raven looks like half a flyer and the Heldrake already looks like half a heldrake... so there is that.
GW see CSM as a largely disorganized force that is unable to keep itself properly equipped. They have generally avoided choices that imply any sort of meaningful infrastructure. For example CSM never got drop pods in our codex, despite lore saying chaos uses drop pods, because the game designer don't picture Chaos as having the necessary non-combat support craft necessary to retrieve conventional drop pods... hence why the FW chaos claws are capable of flying around after coming down. Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.
Where I'm going with that, I don't think we'll get a flying transport.
The problem is that none of that fits with the space pirate/raider/reiver theme. CSMs rarely deploy direct from the Warp, so they need some method of deploying direct from their space craft. Currently only Terminators can do that without FW kits.
Any CSM warband is going to heavily prioritise maintaining void-capable drop transports over all else bar their primary warship. Otherwise they are stranded and a sitting duck.
This is exactly why Renegades like The Crimson Slaughter and Red Corsairs need to be handled in the Vanilla codex via switching of keywords. I know I sound like a broken record but it's such a small task to do and GW refuses to understand or get it.
Or they disagree with it. They haven't talked about it recently (and don't always succeed) but they've mentioned several times over the years that army identity is an important concept to them. Flippable chaos/imperium armies aren't something they want, for fluff reasons, identity reasons and of course sales reasons. It puts Cypher and the Fallen in a weird spot, but that's largely nostalgia goggles (he once had a model so had to get one again) overcoming good sense.
Really, how 'armies get to the battle' is trivial fluff stuff. It doesn't matter that there aren't chaos drop pod models- they could easily be terrain or command points or whatever. Armies are there and they fight. Game on.
Logistics in the 40k universe are really obviously nonsense word salad, and having chaos drop pods won't ever fix that, any more than having complete and unbroken timelines for each legionnaire from heresy to 41st millenium.
Also, tangent- pirate raider reiver theme? Chaos? They come and eat entire worlds or entire sectors are disrupted and rebel. Low key pirate raids aren't really a focus of chaos.
Starfarer wrote: GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
Pretty sure they've done exactly that sort of thing before. In fact, they have just trumped that for Skaven and Flesheaters. Single new model for each, go buy old stuff.
I honestly, no joking, think there is far less to this release than people are hoping for. Lots of the parts we've been shown are likely from the same kit or even same model in several cases.
And in WHAT way is the Chaos Marine codex handling Renegades correctly?
It isn't. That's the answer. So how is that keeping army identity?
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/02/27 08:59:22
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
The teasing has gone on so long that people are just making .as assumptions now. At the start we were fairly sure what we were seeing but now it's all up in the air as people have had so much time to speculate over nothing.
If they don't reveal something good this weekend in gonna be really disappointed, sold 70 quids worth of Tau on eBay to pay for this release (or at least partly pay) and it's just sat there waiting...
2019/02/27 09:35:01
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
GW did say that every day this week we would get "new previews, free short stories and much more". We have gotten two short stories, pretty weak. Just show the box..!
Alpharius? Never heard of him.
2019/02/27 10:43:35
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Also, tangent- pirate raider reiver theme? Chaos? They come and eat entire worlds or entire sectors are disrupted and rebel. Low key pirate raids aren't really a focus of chaos.
Fair enough that you disagree with the idea of giving CSM mobility options to fit their fluff, but it is undeniably the case that most CSM forces are essentially reavers preying on weak worlds. The majority of Chaos forces are broken into small warbands doing their own thing, striking wherever they can to avoid major Imperial retribution. It is only occasionally that warbands coalesce into larger forces that threaten entire sectors.
Examples: the Red Corsairs are explicitly raiding pirates; the entire BFG background has an increase in local pirate activity leading into the 12th Black Crusade; the Crimson Slaughter spend most of their time raiding; the Black Legion Lord in BSF was commanding a crew of raiders before his ship was absorbed into the fortress; etc.
Remember that pirates in 40k are on a huge scale- a Chaos warband with a single cruiser at their command has enough firepower to wipe out the settlements on lesser worlds. They are still just raiders most of the time who will generally flee Imperial Navy patrols and avoid important worlds, unless they make pacts or alliances with other warbands for a campaign.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
2019/02/27 10:53:52
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
phillv85 wrote: The countdown finishes on Tuesday. I'm not convinced we'll see anything before then.
The countdown was always specifically for Abaddon. It's even at the end of his teaser vid. We'll probably see other stuff then too but the countdown was for the coming of the warmaster.
We may get a shadowspear reveal on Friday. There have only been three shadowspear related things, those being the original announcement and the two teaser vids, all have been on a Friday. The daemon engine is for the broader CSM release (yeah, some of the images are of SS models but not explicitly)
I honestly, no joking, think there is far less to this release than people are hoping for. Lots of the parts we've been shown are likely from the same kit or even same model in several cases.
This seems like a weird coping mechanism to. Seen quite a few people say stuff like this. Lets look at things we "know" we're getting
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Possessed (at least 2)
Baseline CSM squad
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Terminators (a basic trophy rack and powerfist isn't going of a character. Both TS and DG got new terminators. Also, artwork of flaming mace guy.)
Sorcerer
Dark Apostle (I think this is a pretty safe bet based on the rumour engine. At worst it's a Not!Dark Apostle)
Big thing that might be terrain
That's a pretty hefty release. Whichever way you slice it it's a revamp of the CSM range to bring it into line with the raptors and daemon engines. We also have artwork of chosen alongside flaming mace guy and from DV I'd say a chosen kit is probable too.
And give me Bringers of Despair!!!
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2019/02/27 12:17:23
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Starfarer wrote: GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
I’m not saying a champion though.
Like with Calgar and guard. That was a new Unit.
But it could well be the MoP and his two possessed guards. As opposed to a whole unit.
(Then bear in mind we still could get a ‘not in the box’ release of possessed.
I just think there’s no 100% at the moment.
Then again, I’m surprised some people are still saying maybe Abaddon is in the box.
Artwork, and the fact we’ve been shown the characters for it make it pretty concrete he isn’t.
Also a costly model like that, there’s no way they wouldn’t want to get full price and sell loads of him day one..
This seems like a weird coping mechanism to. Seen quite a few people say stuff like this. Lets look at things we "know" we're getting
Abaddon
Master of Possession
Possessed (at least 2)
Baseline CSM squad
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Terminators (a basic trophy rack and powerfist isn't going of a character. Both TS and DG got new terminators. Also, artwork of flaming mace guy.)
Sorcerer
Dark Apostle (I think this is a pretty safe bet based on the rumour engine. At worst it's a Not!Dark Apostle)
Big thing that might be terrain
That's a pretty hefty release. Whichever way you slice it it's a revamp of the CSM range to bring it into line with the raptors and daemon engines. We also have artwork of chosen alongside flaming mace guy and from DV I'd say a chosen kit is probable too.
And give me Bringers of Despair!!!
Not that I necessarily disagree with the list, especially as you’ve put numbers in there, as I’m possessed, but still this isn’t a list of KNOW. As terminators aren’t known. They could be the two guard of Abaddon like Calgar instead of MoP getting a set like it (I don’t find that as likely though).
I think this release will be a big one, and it’s needed, but as much as half of the thread is people saying We don’t know as a coping mechanism, the other half is saying We Know.
The reality being somewhere just between.
A bit of a “We don’t know for certain, but this and this, I mean c’mon.. ”
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2019/02/27 12:43:51
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Starfarer wrote: GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
Pretty sure they've done exactly that sort of thing before. In fact, they have just trumped that for Skaven and Flesheaters. Single new model for each, go buy old stuff.
I honestly, no joking, think there is far less to this release than people are hoping for. Lots of the parts we've been shown are likely from the same kit or even same model in several cases.
I'm not saying everything they've previewed will be in the Shadowspear box, but this release is pretty clearly different than a one and done battle box like Carrion Empire.
They've already shown enough possessed parts to indicate a squad, they shown 2 possessed backpacks already in addition to the possessed limbs. I get that being overly cynical is a thing here but it borders on absurd to outright deny the existence of things we've already seen.
So far we know for certain this is what is coming:
Abbaddon
CSM squad
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Master of Possession
That's all in the Shadowspear box, excluding Abbaddon, and they've said there are more units included in the set.
Conservatively we can say we'll also get new Terminators and new Possessed, and that still leaves pics that hint at a Dark Apostle, either alternate variant of the Venomcrawler or a weapon option for it with a Baleflamer like weapon, and some sort of larger structure that could be anything from a terrain piece to a large daemon engine of some sort. There's also the possibility of havocs, although unless we see more heavy weapons teased that admittedly could just be part of the standard CSM kit.
So just from what we know that's quite a lot of stuff, and from what's teased, that's a whole lot more.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2019/02/27 12:50:49
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
although the defiler has a reaper that looks like this pic it has two of them which constitutes one reaper. So this looks like a normal autocannon, with the heavy bolter preview its looking like we have new havocs.
Doubt its anything mounted on a new vehicle as it'd probably be a reaper
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2019/02/27 13:00:54
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Starfarer wrote: GW has stated every unit in Shadowspear is a new unit. We've already seen the Master of Possession model. He does not have possessed parts himself. We've seen numerous parts from possessed looking units in the Rumor Engine.
So sure, there could be a single possessed champion type model and not new possessed models. I joked about that earlier in this thread. Chances are unlikely they'd create a Master of Possession, and a single Possessed character model and then say, "now go buy these old possessed models separately".
Pretty sure they've done exactly that sort of thing before. In fact, they have just trumped that for Skaven and Flesheaters. Single new model for each, go buy old stuff.
I honestly, no joking, think there is far less to this release than people are hoping for. Lots of the parts we've been shown are likely from the same kit or even same model in several cases.
I'm not saying everything they've previewed will be in the Shadowspear box, but this release is pretty clearly different than a one and done battle box like Carrion Empire.
They've already shown enough possessed parts to indicate a squad, they shown 2 possessed backpacks already in addition to the possessed limbs. I get that being overly cynical is a thing here but it borders on absurd to outright deny the existence of things we've already seen.
So far we know for certain this is what is coming:
Abbaddon
CSM squad
Obliterators
Venomcrawler
Master of Possession
That's all in the Shadowspear box, excluding Abbaddon, and they've said there are more units included in the set.
Conservatively we can say we'll also get new Terminators and new Possessed, and that still leaves pics that hint at a Dark Apostle, either alternate variant of the Venomcrawler or a weapon option for it with a Baleflamer like weapon, and some sort of larger structure that could be anything from a terrain piece to a large daemon engine of some sort. There's also the possibility of havocs, although unless we see more heavy weapons teased that admittedly could just be part of the standard CSM kit.
So just from what we know that's quite a lot of stuff, and from what's teased, that's a whole lot more.
TBF 3 and possibly 4 of the possessed rumour pics look like they are coming from one of the guys in the shadowspear box.
2019/02/27 13:17:50
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
Tiberius501 wrote: Who's excited for just another short story tonight? Or better yet, just showing off a model we've already seen.
Hopefully we'll get a second Daemon engine pic. Maybe of a kneepad or something, that would really spice things up.
I'm hoping for a third heavy weapon (which would strongly suggest new Havocs) or a combi-bolter/reaper autocannon preview (which would further support a new Terminator kit) personally.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
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