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 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Apparently not. The Space Marines book has it listed as "Mark X Reiver Armour".

Perhaps they decided to rename it, as it would be somewhat confusing now than units other than Reivers are wearing it too?

Maybe--or maybe they decided that the Reiver Armour is its own specialized version of Phobos Armour? The Reivers do have the vocalizer bit after all.

It would depend entirely upon how long they've been planning these, and I'm thinking that they planned these the same time as the rest.

Hips look really wide. That combined with the bent legs making the legs look shorter than they probably are makes him look a little off. It's also very busy. Take off the servo skull and the thing dangling between his legs and that would help.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Hips look really wide. That combined with the bent legs making the legs look shorter than they probably are makes him look a little off. It's also very busy. Take off the servo skull and the thing dangling between his legs and that would help.

I'd prefer that GW stop shoehorning Servo Skulls onto their models. While it could be done well, it hasn't been done well yet.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Hips look really wide. That combined with the bent legs making the legs look shorter than they probably are makes him look a little off. It's also very busy. Take off the servo skull and the thing dangling between his legs and that would help.

Hips are ok. It’s the smaller Pauldrons (shoulder pads) that have changed the usual silhouette of a Marine.

All this new gak that Marines keep getting must be making the Fabricator General of Mars itching for another schism. Every new release is blatant tech heresy.

Not really a fan of all this Primaris stuff or the mono pose element but I cant deny that they are some good looking mins when they get it right.

The real question is, will he come with a helmet?

I suspect taking one from the other Reiver armor dudes in the box won't be hard though.

doubt it since his helmet looks modeled onto his belt

"Acheran is represented by a Captain in Phobos Armour, which is usable by many Space Marines Chapters along with the other Vanguard units in the set. We’ll have more details on Phobos armour along with loads of other information about Warhammer 40,000: Shadowspear over the coming days and weeks, so be sure to keep your auto-lenses or daemonically enhanced vision focused right here"

This tells me Acheran is not necessarily a special character and everyone will have access to a Captain in Phobos Armour. Which will be annoying if his helmet is molded into his hip

 Nostromodamus wrote:
All this new gak that Marines keep getting must be making the Fabricator General of Mars itching for another schism. Every new release is blatant tech heresy.

What new stuff? He's just a Reiver with a non-standard weapon loadout really (but not new tech).

 Latro_ wrote:
doubt it since his helmet looks modeled onto his belt

We need to see the sprue pics to be sure. The belt helmet could be an easily removable piece.

GaroRobe wrote:
Something feels off about him. He just looks kinda clunky. His legs look a bit too far away from his waist, and the reiver belly armor joints don't help.

agreed, seems stiff as hell

Loving this Phobos armour:



Kinda want him just for the servo skull.

I looks like the cloak is molded to take the helmet into account. So replacing will take a little effort. Maybe put a pouch or meltabomb on that spot.

Will need to see the sprue

Interesting that the gun he's got is called a bolt carbine, not a rifle. Carbines are what reivers use. If these sneaky-looking troop guys are using carbines then that's going to make them quite hard to justify, now that we have the beta bolter rules.

I think he looks ok. The helmet looks like it's a seperate piece, so you could probably swap that out, but the harder thing to change is his cloak, which curves around the helmet. It would look odd if the hat wasn't there. So I'd probably just build him with a different head if I wanted to change anything.

To be honest though the fact he doesn't have an obvious melee weapon (other than a knife) means I probably won't use him over my existing fist of vengeance captain. The sneaky librarian and lieutenant are more likely to see a gaming table.

Love the Primaris side more and more, Acheran looks amazing.

I hope the scale of the spider engine is smallish like the Nurgle demon engines since I really wanted to convert it to Nurgle. If its that BIG going to have to pass.

Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

You think that's power knife? It probably is just a regular knife.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

That's not a Bolt Carbine. It looks like a Bolt Rifle with some form of a supresser on it. I am guessing it will end up being just a Master-Crafted bolt rifle.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

That's not a Bolt Carbine. It looks like a Bolt Rifle with some form of a supresser on it. I am guessing it will end up being just a Master-Crafted bolt rifle.

Nope. Carbine.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

That's not a Bolt Carbine. It looks like a Bolt Rifle with some form of a supresser on it. I am guessing it will end up being just a Master-Crafted bolt rifle.

I am fairly sure the article stated it was a master-crafted bolt carbine (with a suppressor for likely aesthetic reasons).

Ugh if the vanguard troops have a Bolt carbine standard then why bother? If you want that take intercessors with their auto bolt rifle.

I really hope they have something to make them worthwhile

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Apparently not. The Space Marines book has it listed as "Mark X Reiver Armour".

Perhaps they decided to rename it, as it would be somewhat confusing now than units other than Reivers are wearing it too?

Maybe--or maybe they decided that the Reiver Armour is its own specialized version of Phobos Armour? The Reivers do have the vocalizer bit after all.

It would depend entirely upon how long they've been planning these, and I'm thinking that they planned these the same time as the rest.

Originally the Reiver Armor was only weared by Reivers but not that is gonna be used by many other models I assume they changed his name to make it more generic.

Well, from the image shown I don't see any space marines equipped with anything but boltguns.

So this is going to be a "tactically flexible" commando unit of super duper specialists...armed with all the variation of necron warriors. And presumably, with identical weaponry to another unit that the primaris marines already have....

Yikers.

Add onto that the special bonus of Captain Mcbeardenstein having a silenced boltgun. You know, a boltgun, the weapon that features miniature RPGs as ammunition.

"now, I shall stealthily take down this enemy patrol"

*thwp thwp thwp*

*BOOM BOOM BOOM*

*every enemy within a 40 mile radius hears the explosions of detonating bolt rounds, immediately on alert*

I find it is a nice model, but, we are moving from anther LT to another CP.

Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

That's not a Bolt Carbine. It looks like a Bolt Rifle with some form of a supresser on it. I am guessing it will end up being just a Master-Crafted bolt rifle.

Nope. Carbine.

Haighus wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Ahhh A revier captain....Talk about worthless. Bolt Carbine? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You wonder why marines suck - it's reason like this. An HQ probably about 80 points plus that does nothing but shoot a 2 str 4 shots and has a power knife....

That's not a Bolt Carbine. It looks like a Bolt Rifle with some form of a supresser on it. I am guessing it will end up being just a Master-Crafted bolt rifle.

I am fairly sure the article stated it was a master-crafted bolt carbine (with a suppressor for likely aesthetic reasons).

I see that now. So it is the exact same thing as a MC Auto Bolt Rifle. Lame.

Yeah, what exciting new options for primaris space marine enthusiasts.

A librarian with a force sword and bolt pistol.

A captain with a MC bolt weapon and power sword.

A troop unit in power armor armed with bolt weapons.

What exciting new tactical flexibility and options this adds to the primaris space marine range! Primaris marine players, how will this change your lists - are you super psyched to have all these new unit choices?

 fraser1191 wrote:
Ugh if the vanguard troops have a Bolt carbine standard then why bother? If you want that take intercessors with their auto bolt rifle.

I really hope they have something to make them worthwhile

They're sneaky.
Best case scenario this phobos captain guy give access to a vanguard formation or some rules that permit modified deployment or something like. Worst case scenario it's an army of reivers and they're useless.

the_scotsman wrote:
Well, from the image shown I don't see any space marines equipped with anything but boltguns.

So this is going to be a "tactically flexible" commando unit of super duper specialists...armed with all the variation of necron warriors. And presumably, with identical weaponry to another unit that the primaris marines already have....

Yikers.

Add onto that the special bonus of Captain Mcbeardenstein having a silenced boltgun. You know, a boltgun, the weapon that features miniature RPGs as ammunition.

"now, I shall stealthily take down this enemy patrol"

*thwp thwp thwp*

*BOOM BOOM BOOM*

*every enemy within a 40 mile radius hears the explosions of detonating bolt rounds, immediately on alert*

The explosive report of a boltgun's ammunition wouldn't be that loud in the first place, its roughly a 20mm cartridge and the fluff has long mentioned different payloads for the Suppressed Boltguns.

NM... issue addressed