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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
So I guess the new CSM meta will be about using red corsair detachments to provide CPs for slaaneshi obilits in another detachment to double shoot+votlw with?

From the competitive crowd yeah, I'm sure we will only see min Red Corsair units to get massive amounts of CP

Not Online!!! wrote:

 zend wrote:
Entire problem would be solved if GW would stop allowing soup lists altogether, or better yet, remove the stupid CP and Stratagem systems altogether.

STOP MAKING SENSE!
THAT IS TO RADICAL!!!

Removing scores of pages of rules and a system that people largely enjoy *isn't* radical?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 zend wrote:
Entire problem would be solved if GW would stop allowing soup lists altogether, or better yet, remove the stupid CP and Stratagem systems altogether.

STOP MAKING SENSE!
THAT IS TO RADICAL!!!

Removing scores of pages of rules and a system that people largely enjoy *isn't* radical?

Removing something bad for the game is radical?

Is it bad for the game though?

Or are there some tweeks needed to certain units and stratergems? Is it bad that gsc and nids can work together, is it bad that csm can bring some daemons? Or is it just AM that have super cheap battalions that without the CP outperform all other troops point for point?
Removing something bad for the game is radical?

Man, they really should have taken the opportunity to fix up the old legion traits with this book. They're reprinting them anyways, might as well boost them up with the new design philosophy so they don't look as bland and weak next to the new renegade traits.

On the other hand, the people who are more upset to see good rules for Chaos than they were to see the bad ones are extremely funny.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Man, they really should have taken the opportunity to fix up the old legion traits with this book. They're reprinting them anyways, might as well boost them up with the new design philosophy so they don't look as bland and weak next to the new renegade traits.

On the other hand, the people who are more upset to see good rules for Chaos than they were to see the bad ones are extremely funny.

Im sure its the mix of blatantly better than the other stuff with the blatantly worse.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Im sure its the mix of blatantly better than the other stuff with the blatantly worse.

That's how the subfaction rules are for all armies.

If it gets spammed in 6 months GW will change it to be 3 units of 10 or more marines... you know they will

So, i've just got home and we go from 3 pointless Legion previews to just... Wow Red Corsairs.


I half expect it to be back to business as usual with tomorrow's preview though. But, noone will care because practically every new chaos player has now made their decision on what Legion to run lol.

Never thought i'd see the day my Tzaangors would have access to 17CP!

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Kdash wrote:
So, i've just got home and we go from 3 pointless Legion previews to just... Wow Red Corsairs.


I half expect it to be back to business as usual with tomorrow's preview though. But, noone will care because practically every new chaos player has now made their decision on what Legion to run lol.

Never thought i'd see the day my Tzaangors would have access to 17CP!

People are going to need to learn how to use marines.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Man, they really should have taken the opportunity to fix up the old legion traits with this book. They're reprinting them anyways, might as well boost them up with the new design philosophy so they don't look as bland and weak next to the new renegade traits.

On the other hand, the people who are more upset to see good rules for Chaos than they were to see the bad ones are extremely funny.

It's because those of us who like the Traitor Legions feel like we just got slapped in the face by GW during "our" big release. It's not being mad that Renegades have good traits, it's being mad that they have better traits than Traitor Legions such that Red Corsairs are going to be king of the hill.

topaxygouroun i wrote:
So you're telling me I have to play Renegades from now on...

8CP battalions. So that's why I would have to buy the new CSM boxes... I see, GW. I see.

No one is telling you that. I fully plan on playing Iron Warriors and Black Legion. Good traits there.

That WB with the book, who or what is that?!?

Don't really care for the Dark Apostle, but his disciples are awesome.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
That WB with the book, who or what is that?!?

The New Dark Apostle

i'll snip this out ... helllo

GaroRobe wrote:
Don't really care for the Dark Apostle, but his disciples are awesome.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
That WB with the book, who or what is that?!?

The New Dark Apostle

Nice, sadly too meh atm

Latro_ wrote:hot off the WHC mining WB are next

You're doing great work man, keep it up

Daedalus81 wrote:People are going to need to learn how to use marines.

It's pretty minimal outlay to give those 5 CSM squads a weapon, even just an autocannon or missile launcher helps get work done. Flamer or melta if the plan is to advance + charge all over the place.

EDIT: Shorty Apostle :/

I dig that Apostle, busy, but not too busy. And he seems to have attendants? Or cultists? I once had an idea to convert Grimaldus into something very much like that.

Kdash wrote:
So, i've just got home and we go from 3 pointless Legion previews to just... Wow Red Corsairs.


I half expect it to be back to business as usual with tomorrow's preview though. But, noone will care because practically every new chaos player has now made their decision on what Legion to run lol.

Never thought i'd see the day my Tzaangors would have access to 17CP!

Eh, I'm still holding out for the Scourged legion trait (chapter tactic? lol). The Scourged getting Auspex Scan is already pretty dang gud, so hopefully the trait is enough to justify the decision to stick with Tzeentch.

at least 3-4 rumor engines in that new img besides the others already revealed(w/o counting book cover img) ... also no new possessed at the back

The face on that apostle though. Yuck.

Is the Defiler new, or just a better paint job than the one in the codex?

Just need more info on that big chaos star fortification. Maybe it's something I can use for Thousand Sons since there wont be any TS or DG goodies I imagine

If the Dark Apostle turns out to be worth getting, I'll end up browsing Ebay for the DV Chosen champion. Similar loadout, but just a nicer model.

He's in the weird AOS "splay leg" pose, the horns on his face look a bit goofy, and he just seems small. The art pic of him with Abaddon looked much nicer than the actual model.

Wayniac wrote:
The face on that apostle though. Yuck.

Indeed, doesn't look great. Might not be hard to cut off and stick a better one on there though, if it hopefully has some clearance around it to do so.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Is the Defiler new, or just a better paint job than the one in the codex?

Better paintjob, I think. However it could be hard to tell, like with the Terminators who had to be scrutinized to determine they were new since they looked so close to the old ones.

 Latro_ wrote:
i'll snip this out ... helllo

He has a little buddy!


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 Arachnofiend wrote:
Is the Defiler new, or just a better paint job than the one in the codex?

Same old Defiler

Something i've just noticed... Do Masters of Possession gain access to the god specific psychic powers or not? I'm presuming they do, but hadn't thought about it until now.

Kdash wrote:
Something i've just noticed... Do Masters of Possession gain access to the god specific psychic powers or not? I'm presuming they do, but hadn't thought about it until now.

They don't. The god-specific powers are part of the Dark Hereticus discipline, which the MoP does not get access to. There's a roundabout way to do it by paying to swap out a psychic power with a stratagem.