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 Arachnofiend wrote:
It's not going to be the Blackstone Fortress lord, that's a specific dude with specific rules.

Dark Apostle seems like the obvious choice to me, though there are definitely other choices available to them.

So is Captain Artemis in the Deathwatch Getting Started.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
It's not going to be the Blackstone Fortress lord, that's a specific dude with specific rules.

Dark Apostle seems like the obvious choice to me, though there are definitely other choices available to them.

So is Captain Artemis in the Deathwatch Getting Started.

I feel like a Exalted Champion could be in there instead, that or your average lord.

Dark Apostle for the SC Box HQ slot, because it’s always the one you want the least of.

So Abaddon lets you reroll all hit rolls now not just misses. Drach'nyen is damage 3 now.

Havocs ignore the penalty to move and fire heavy weapons.

Dark Apolstle has some great prayers: +1 to Hit in shooting, +1 to Wound in the fight phase.

Looking good so far

BoLS has a quick review of the new codex out.

The Lord Discordant T6 W12 Save2+/5++

Pretty fragile for a guy with a huge target on his back.

Cultist lose Legion traits but still cost 5pts. Obliterators retain their old point cost from the previous codex (wonder if that´s gonna be FAQd?).

BigBrown wrote:BoLS has a quick review of the new codex out.

The Lord Discordant T6 W12 Save2+/5++

Pretty fragile for a guy with a huge target on his back.

Cultist lose Legion traits but still cost 5pts. Obliterators retain their old point cost from the previous codex (wonder if that´s gonna be FAQd?).

XT-1984 wrote:So Abaddon lets you reroll all hit rolls now not just misses. Drach'nyen is damage 3 now.

Havocs ignore the penalty to move and fire heavy weapons.

Dark Apolstle has some great prayers: +1 to Hit in shooting, +1 to Wound in the fight phase.

Looking good so far

If we don't go buy the new codex (because we have the old one already), where are we going to get these updated/new rules from?

Edit: And what does the Noctilith Crown do? Just tell us already!

Snugiraffe wrote:

BigBrown wrote:BoLS has a quick review of the new codex out.

The Lord Discordant T6 W12 Save2+/5++

Pretty fragile for a guy with a huge target on his back.

Cultist lose Legion traits but still cost 5pts. Obliterators retain their old point cost from the previous codex (wonder if that´s gonna be FAQd?).

XT-1984 wrote:So Abaddon lets you reroll all hit rolls now not just misses. Drach'nyen is damage 3 now.

Havocs ignore the penalty to move and fire heavy weapons.

Dark Apolstle has some great prayers: +1 to Hit in shooting, +1 to Wound in the fight phase.

Looking good so far

If we don't go buy the new codex (because we have the old one already), where are we going to get these updated/new rules from?

Edit: And what does the Noctilith Crown do? Just tell us already!

Vigilus 2.

Crown doesn't seem that great.

BigBrown wrote:
BoLS has a quick review of the new codex out.

The Lord Discordant T6 W12 Save2+/5++

Pretty fragile for a guy with a huge target on his back.

Cultist lose Legion traits but still cost 5pts. Obliterators retain their old point cost from the previous codex (wonder if that´s gonna be FAQd?).

So cultists are now inferior in everything torwards your run of the mill human troops.

The price decides on the lord discordant so ehhh,

Oblits, the new ones at the same price as the old ones? Now that will lead to some salt spilled, i'd imagine that to be a typo though considering shadowspear.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Crown doesn't seem that great.

It depends on the price, but I actually like the buffs compared to most fortifications. Plant it in your deployment next to some terrain and put, say, a squad of Havocs next to it in cover, and they're 2+/5++ (also Noise Marines). Not terrible at all. And from turn 2 it's even possible to get some much needed 5++ on Predators or shooty Helbrutes.

And given that it says 'Chaos psykers', chuck a detachment of Thousand Son psykers next to it, and they can blast away re-rolling psychic tests from a good distance.

The more I write this the more I like it. If it's 75pts I will take one. 100 may be pushing it.

Havocs move and fire but are locked to 5 man squad size. Not sure I like that.

I fear it might be closer to a hundred, Plx20 tends to be a good estimate.

 Slowroll wrote:
Havocs move and fire but are locked to 5 man squad size. Not sure I like that.

where is that stated?

Lord Discordant has a decent statline... for a heavy support model. Unless his offensive stats are comparative to a daemon prince and you can realistically run multiples I don't think he's going to get used.

One interesting note is that the rules for specific Renegade Chapters isn't on the page with the other legion traits in the codex. It could be that it's shuffled off to wherever they put the specialist detachments or it could be that that information is only in the Vigilus book... Wouldn't be too happy about that.

Oblits at 65 points for one? That ... would be hilarious. And probably a typo. If allowed to pass at tournaments though.... lol

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Slowroll wrote:
Havocs move and fire but are locked to 5 man squad size. Not sure I like that.

where is that stated?

I watched the video on BOLS and you can see it on the datasheet.

where all this info sourced from?

the gate looks superpowerful imo!
basically a KFF for chaos, psy defense and buffs!

i like it alot

5 havocs, 4 dakka guns for 32 shots. Put them in rhino for DZ safety (either share with a character you want upfield, maybe some greater possessed or 5 more havocs) and dump them out midfield, and let them go nuts, use Endless if you want 64 shots

One youtube review pointed out flawless hosts stuff. On top of death to false emperor their trait is on a roll of a 6 against anyone you generate an extra attack (so 2 in total vs imperium) and they have a warlord trait that makes that into 3 attacks per 6 (so 4 generated on each 6+ vs imperium) stick that on a buffed up daemon prince with prescience, priests prayer for +1 to wound rolls and a greater possessed nearby and watch him become a blender.

Is it confirmed that we have a dakka gun that shoots 8 shots ? @@

Confirmed

It's on the Havoc too, so no minus to shoot when moving. Really significant unit. 24" Heavy 8 S5 -1 D1...

so cultists dont gain a legion trait but you can still stick strats on them no?

 grouchoben wrote:
Confirmed

It's on the Havoc too, so no minus to shoot when moving. Really significant unit. 24" Heavy 8 S5 -1 D1...

he you just need to buy 4 boxes to get that squad setup




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 Latro_ wrote:
so cultists dont gain a legion trait but you can still stick strats on them no?

hopefully, no idea though

Not Online!!! wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Confirmed

It's on the Havoc too, so no minus to shoot when moving. Really significant unit. 24" Heavy 8 S5 -1 D1...

he you just need to buy 4 boxes to get that squad setup




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 Latro_ wrote:
so cultists dont gain a legion trait but you can still stick strats on them no?

hopefully, no idea though

no dude you buy 4 of the new noise marine model and proxy it (lets face it ye puttin MoS on them anyway for double tap)
chaos version of slayer! XD 64 shots walking towards you

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Lord Discordant has a decent statline... for a heavy support model. Unless his offensive stats are comparative to a daemon prince and you can realistically run multiples I don't think he's going to get used.

The Lord Discordant hits like a truck in melee; it seems like he's supposed to push up with Maulerfiends and Venomcrawlers rather than sit back and babysit a daemon engine gunline. He makes 12 attacks on his top bracket as all of his weapons (except his Chainglaive) make bonus attacks in the same manner as Chainswords;
Weapon Skill 2+
4 Strength 6 AP-2 Damage 2 attacks, increasing to Strength 8 on the charge (Impaler Chainglaive)
2 Strength 4 AP-0 Damage 1 attacks (Mechatendrils)
5 Strength 7 AP-2 Damage D3 attacks (Bladed limbs and tail)
1 Strength 8 AP-4 Damage D3 attack that inflicts D3 mortal wounds on a Vehicle as long as the wound roll for the attack is successful when targeting a Vehicle (Techno-virus Injector)

Give him some form of re-rolls to-hit or wound, or slap on Veterans of the Long War, and he'll murder entire squads or your average vehicle pretty easily. He has a 12" move too but no Fly.

Also of note that the reviewers have failed to mention so far, Havocs are Toughness 5.

BigBrown wrote:
BoLS has a quick review of the new codex out.

The Lord Discordant T6 W12 Save2+/5++

Pretty fragile for a guy with a huge target on his back.

Cultist lose Legion traits but still cost 5pts. Obliterators retain their old point cost from the previous codex (wonder if that´s gonna be FAQd?).

12W and 9PL? Ouch. wonder what his points cost is going to be... on the other hand, it's pretty easy to get a 2+/4++/5+++ on him so he's tougher than he initially looks.

And yeah, expect Oblit cost to be FAQ'd. Looks like they accidentally put the oldblit point cost in there.

I'm really pleased with the Havocs, 4 Rotor Cannon dudes are going to be an excellent horde/ screen clearer.

Or just buy 1 pack of rotor cannons, 4 for the havocs, 1 for marine squads

looking at points in book they are 20 points for the dakka, havocs are 14 points each, so you are looking at 70 base +80= atleast 150 depending on what you stick on the leader

 Mothman wrote:


Or just buy 1 pack of rotor cannons, 4 for the havocs, 1 for marine squads

looking at points in book they are 20 points for the dakka, havocs are 14 points each, so you are looking at 70 base +80= atleast 150 depending on what you stick on the leader

Is that Forgeworld or something?

Ye Rotor canons from 30k, £13 for 5, pricey but cheaper than buying 4 boxes

I find it pretty amusing how GW just keep looking for ways to make Cultists worse. Has there ever been a unit nerfed on three separate occasions within a year?

First they changed Tide of Traitors to be one use only. Then they upped the cost of Cultists by 25%. Now they remove the legion trait.

Yeah Cultists were good but I feel like any one of these changes would have been enough.

Cultists without Legion traits?

Are GW just trying to make the unit garbage? I'm glad I didn't invest in an additional unit of 40 of them.

 Slowroll wrote:
Havocs move and fire but are locked to 5 man squad size. Not sure I like that.

And there goes all my enthusiasm for this codex!