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Dakka: this is a sign that GW is falling! The sky is falling! Everything will go last chance to buy until only primaris lieutenants are left!

GW: Consolidates commanders into new starter boxes that include commanders, a unit, and all of the tactics needed for everything. Had to get rid of all those previous boxes in order to clear space and reduce customer confusion. Will also likely release a book containing rules for all of the past killzones in a future update while continuing to release new killzones for those that want to buy them with the bundled terrain.

Dakka: This is GW trying to make us buy the same thing twice! This is ridiculous! We need to get together and vote with out wallets and make sure they understand we won't tolerate this!

Actual fans of Kill Team: Buys the stuff anyway and ignores the inane ramblings of bitter Dakka vets.

No one has said that.

Not this time, but it is an established pattern.

Then that's just poisoning the well...

tneva82 wrote:
Except gunslinger was already shown around summer...And it was put on design like year ago MINIMUM. Kill team wasn't even out yet when the gunslinger, which btw is also for 40k, was started to be designed.

If they are going to put out something based on sales of KT it's going to be like 2020. Maybe late 2019.

Gunslinger was only shown off because somebody accidentally put it out on display at Warhammer World. Notice that we heard absolutely nothing about his sister release, the Adeptus Mechanicus character, until the Gunslinger pre-order was announced.

 Arbitrator wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Except gunslinger was already shown around summer...And it was put on design like year ago MINIMUM. Kill team wasn't even out yet when the gunslinger, which btw is also for 40k, was started to be designed.

If they are going to put out something based on sales of KT it's going to be like 2020. Maybe late 2019.

Gunslinger was only shown off because somebody accidentally put it out on display at Warhammer World. Notice that we heard absolutely nothing about his sister release, the Adeptus Mechanicus character, until the Gunslinger pre-order was announced.

He was put out on display at Warhammer World right around the time the Codex would have had photos being taken.

The Mechanicus guy wasn't going to need the full photo workup like Kelermorph would.

Confused about only Reaver stuff for AT being on last chance here. If it truly is, then I'll nab a pack of the terminals and cards. However, AT is ostensibly being supported long-term...why would they make such essential game pieces for a core unit LCTB so soon?

 Arbitrator wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Except gunslinger was already shown around summer...And it was put on design like year ago MINIMUM. Kill team wasn't even out yet when the gunslinger, which btw is also for 40k, was started to be designed.

If they are going to put out something based on sales of KT it's going to be like 2020. Maybe late 2019.

Gunslinger was only shown off because somebody accidentally put it out on display at Warhammer World. Notice that we heard absolutely nothing about his sister release, the Adeptus Mechanicus character, until the Gunslinger pre-order was announced.

Yes but shows it was already designed that time so couldn't be reaction to kt sales. Pointing out lead times as people have often scale of lead times wrong


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 weasel_beef wrote:
Confused about only Reaver stuff for AT being on last chance here. If it truly is, then I'll nab a pack of the terminals and cards. However, AT is ostensibly being supported long-term...why would they make such essential game pieces for a core unit LCTB so soon?

It's not. Restock coming. Just supply not able to match demand

It does not look like any of that is on sale so I do not care if they sell it or not.

Warlord games is pulling the same crap. It is just a sleazy way to spike sales right before the British tax year ends in April. Go ahead and panic buy all the precious soon to be oop plastic and play right into their evil clutches...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one has said that.

I read a few comments on page one that sounded like they were skirting that 'sky-is-falling' edge. Thankfully, it seems like most people in here are pretty reasonable for once. Nice to see.

But yeah, GW is clearly planning something. I just wish we knew what.

drbored wrote:
But yeah, GW is clearly planning something. I just wish we knew what.

Restock most likely. At least for AT

drbored wrote:
Dakka: this is a sign that GW is falling! The sky is falling! Everything will go last chance to buy until only primaris lieutenants are left!

GW: Consolidates commanders into new starter boxes that include commanders, a unit, and all of the tactics needed for everything. Had to get rid of all those previous boxes in order to clear space and reduce customer confusion. Will also likely release a book containing rules for all of the past killzones in a future update while continuing to release new killzones for those that want to buy them with the bundled terrain.

Dakka: This is GW trying to make us buy the same thing twice! This is ridiculous! We need to get together and vote with out wallets and make sure they understand we won't tolerate this!

Actual fans of Kill Team: Buys the stuff anyway and ignores the inane ramblings of bitter Dakka vets.

 Breotan wrote:
Not this time, but it is an established pattern.

I always wonder when folk talk about Dakka while on Dakka as if it's a hivemind with patterns of behaviour - do you grasp that the fact you're here expressing a different view dumps a bucket of cold pish all over your complaint? Or do you genuinely not consider yourselves part of this community, and you just stick around to moan that it's not to your liking?

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
Killzones Mechanicus and Munitorum just disappeared from the GW website in the UK and most other suppliers - no warning given! I know they've been absent from most non-UK GW webstores for a while now though.

But would why would you want to buy those anyway?

Because they give you tons of terrain for a much lower price?

 Yodhrin wrote:

drbored wrote:
Dakka: this is a sign that GW is falling! The sky is falling! Everything will go last chance to buy until only primaris lieutenants are left!

GW: Consolidates commanders into new starter boxes that include commanders, a unit, and all of the tactics needed for everything. Had to get rid of all those previous boxes in order to clear space and reduce customer confusion. Will also likely release a book containing rules for all of the past killzones in a future update while continuing to release new killzones for those that want to buy them with the bundled terrain.

Dakka: This is GW trying to make us buy the same thing twice! This is ridiculous! We need to get together and vote with out wallets and make sure they understand we won't tolerate this!

Actual fans of Kill Team: Buys the stuff anyway and ignores the inane ramblings of bitter Dakka vets.

 Breotan wrote:
Not this time, but it is an established pattern.

I always wonder when folk talk about Dakka while on Dakka as if it's a hivemind with patterns of behaviour - do you grasp that the fact you're here expressing a different view dumps a bucket of cold pish all over your complaint? Or do you genuinely not consider yourselves part of this community, and you just stick around to moan that it's not to your liking?

I'll be the first to admit that my being here is pretty much a waste of time. What I do like seeing though is that, little by little, GW's injection of positive energy into the community has started to steer other forums and groups in that direction as well. It used to be 1 GW fanboy for every 20 bitter Dakka grumps. Now it's more like 5 reasonable GW fans to about 10 Dakka grumps.

But you bring up a good point. Do I think that Dakka is a hivemind with patterns of behavior? Not necessarily a hivemind. I'd call it more like a 'fishbowl' or 'echo chamber'. Someone expresses an opinion, positive or negative, and it tends to get echoed by people that feel the same way. Over the past... what... decade? the pattern has been 'hating on GW with unreasonable fervor despite this being predominantly a GW community forum'. So if you're talking about dumping a bucket of cold pish all over a complaint, just take it a step back and see how Dakka (which, by the way, is a term coined by GW and its community) complains about GW policies and product despite participating in the hobby anyway. So whenever I see a Dakka grump complaining about GW's product in one thread, only to show off all of the new boxes of models he got in another, I can't help but think exactly that: their argument is weak.

But anyway, back to the topic at hand, I've sent some e-mails back and forth between the GW community team. The message they delivered was basically "These are products that aren't 100% necessary to play the game and most of them were bundles for good deals that have sold out because of the incredible popularity of Kill Team." He obviously couldn't give me any info on if they'd be replaced, repackaged, or if we'd be able to get boards, missions, tactics, etc that were only in those products elsewhere, but he did confirm that they've got YEARS of product planned for Kill Team.

drbored wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

drbored wrote:
Dakka: this is a sign that GW is falling! The sky is falling! Everything will go last chance to buy until only primaris lieutenants are left!

GW: Consolidates commanders into new starter boxes that include commanders, a unit, and all of the tactics needed for everything. Had to get rid of all those previous boxes in order to clear space and reduce customer confusion. Will also likely release a book containing rules for all of the past killzones in a future update while continuing to release new killzones for those that want to buy them with the bundled terrain.

Dakka: This is GW trying to make us buy the same thing twice! This is ridiculous! We need to get together and vote with out wallets and make sure they understand we won't tolerate this!

Actual fans of Kill Team: Buys the stuff anyway and ignores the inane ramblings of bitter Dakka vets.

 Breotan wrote:
Not this time, but it is an established pattern.

I always wonder when folk talk about Dakka while on Dakka as if it's a hivemind with patterns of behaviour - do you grasp that the fact you're here expressing a different view dumps a bucket of cold pish all over your complaint? Or do you genuinely not consider yourselves part of this community, and you just stick around to moan that it's not to your liking?

I'll be the first to admit that my being here is pretty much a waste of time.

And ours, so feel free to toddle on eh.

What I do like seeing though is that, little by little, GW's injection of positive energy into the community has started to steer other forums and groups in that direction as well. It used to be 1 GW fanboy for every 20 bitter Dakka grumps. Now it's more like 5 reasonable GW fans to about 10 Dakka grumps.

But you bring up a good point. Do I think that Dakka is a hivemind with patterns of behavior? Not necessarily a hivemind. I'd call it more like a 'fishbowl' or 'echo chamber'. Someone expresses an opinion, positive or negative, and it tends to get echoed by people that feel the same way. Over the past... what... decade? the pattern has been 'hating on GW with unreasonable fervor despite this being predominantly a GW community forum'. So if you're talking about dumping a bucket of cold pish all over a complaint, just take it a step back and see how Dakka (which, by the way, is a term coined by GW and its community) complains about GW policies and product despite participating in the hobby anyway. So whenever I see a Dakka grump complaining about GW's product in one thread, only to show off all of the new boxes of models he got in another, I can't help but think exactly that: their argument is weak.

See, I just find that even more hilarious, because guess what pal - all that "positive energy" coming out of GW isn't down to folk like yourselves who stuck your fingers in your ears and insisted everyone think happy thoughts for nigh on a decade as GW repeatedly shat itself, it's due to all the folk who were driven away or radically cut back spending while staying involved and being critical, and further the lapsed players coming back now that GW are putting out "positive energy" aren't coming back because of folk like yourself because you've been telling them Everything Is Fine for years even as GW descended into a turgid, litigious, resentful mess, it's only when us "grumps" say to them that actually, things have improved that they pay attention and reconsider.

So hey, you're welcome.

I'm so glad we are all participating in the grand internet stereotype of assuming way more than we should to make our arguments sound as biting as possible.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because they give you tons of terrain for a much lower price?

Okay, that makes sense, but what I really mean is, these are not stuff you can no longer buy, it's more that you can't buy them for that much lower price?

My impression with this thread was mainly that GW is pulling products that will no longer be available. This is not the case for those products who only change in price.

Baxx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because they give you tons of terrain for a much lower price?

Okay, that makes sense, but what I really mean is, these are not stuff you can no longer buy, it's more that you can't buy them for that much lower price?

My impression with this thread was mainly that GW is pulling products that will no longer be available. This is not the case for those products who only change in price.

Although the models from the boxes are still available at higher prices, the Kill Zone rules, cards and boards in the boxes were never available separately and are now not available at all.

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

Although the models from the boxes are still available at higher prices, the Kill Zone rules, cards and boards in the boxes were never available separately and are now not available at all.

Right, but this is where the community steps in! Who got these resources available to share? Not like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, GorkaMorka, Battlefleet Gothic and Mordheim died because GW stopped selling rules, cards and boards. These games live on 15+ years. If they stop selling Blood Bowl or Necromunda, pm me and you will have 100% of the contents released for those games.

Baxx wrote:

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

Although the models from the boxes are still available at higher prices, the Kill Zone rules, cards and boards in the boxes were never available separately and are now not available at all.

Right, but this is where the community steps in! Who got these resources available to share? Not like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, GorkaMorka, Battlefleet Gothic and Mordheim died because GW stopped selling rules, cards and boards. These games live on 15+ years. If they stop selling Blood Bowl or Necromunda, pm me and you will have 100% of the contents released for those games.

Some people are collectors and want to be able to have one of everything. The boards aren't critical - you can mark off a 22x30" surface and you're good to go. The missions and tactics and environment effect can be shared via various means, but... at the end of the day, some people just want to have them on hand, the originals. It reeks that GW pulled these products so quickly and without warning.

Also, I know not many people worry about this, but if you play at a GW store, you have to have the original material. GW not providing the original material and then not allowing you to play with a copy of the material also reeks, but thems the rules.

Again, I just hope that GW is going to release some book that will have all the previously released missions and tactics in one place. That'd be nice. We'll see what happens. :/

The idea of things getting discontinued can be stressful, in the ideal hobby bubble miniatures would last forever, specially the ones you don't have and love… but lets face it it's not going to happen, things need to move on and this way they avoid a bloated catalogue and keep things fresh.

Can anyone imagine how great would it be if you could still buy those vintage metals done decades ago? But then again if every mini is available then the new ranges would probably be less popular.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The idea of things getting discontinued can be stressful, in the ideal hobby bubble miniatures would last forever, specially the ones you don't have and love… but lets face it it's not going to happen, things need to move on and this way they avoid a bloated catalogue and keep things fresh.

It seems like Kill Team has a lot of things being discontinued very quickly. I don't think half the people who wanted the starter set actually got one and the killzones are impossible to get after a week. Now the Commanders and data cards are going? At this point, there's only a few KT products that have survived a few months, much less will still be around in a year or two. KT could use a little more permanence, in my opinion. Or, like, any.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The idea of things getting discontinued can be stressful, in the ideal hobby bubble miniatures would last forever, specially the ones you don't have and love… but lets face it it's not going to happen, things need to move on and this way they avoid a bloated catalogue and keep things fresh.

Can anyone imagine how great would it be if you could still buy those vintage metals done decades ago? But then again if every mini is available then the new ranges would probably be less popular.

You're comparing
>Vintage metal models that are 10-20+ years old

to

>Kits and box sets released under 6 months ago

The comparison hardly holds up. I can understand things being discontinued, but this is ridiculous.

I was watching a Kill Team Arena review by Guerilla Miniatures Game on YouTube and I think Ash reckoned the having the blank cards filled out is important for Kill Team Arena organised play. I suspect GW will release a pack of the blank cards on their own.

https://youtu.be/D5l2GpSEUlI

Ancient Otter wrote:
I was watching a Kill Team Arena review by Guerilla Miniatures Game on YouTube and I think Ash reckoned the having the blank cards filled out is important for Kill Team Arena organised play. I suspect GW will release a pack of the blank cards on their own.

https://youtu.be/D5l2GpSEUlI

They have offered these from the beginning. Funny thing is, they're on Last Chance to Buy too.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Kill-Team-Data-Cards-2018-eng

In one of the promo images it looks like Arena comes with some datacards, but they don't list them in the description.

I guess we'll see. Thankfully, you can print out your own datacards with GW's downloadable PDF for Kill Team Command Rosters, granted they're in black and white:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/KillTeam_CoreManual_Web_CommunityRoster_BW-1.pdf

drbored wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
The idea of things getting discontinued can be stressful, in the ideal hobby bubble miniatures would last forever, specially the ones you don't have and love… but lets face it it's not going to happen, things need to move on and this way they avoid a bloated catalogue and keep things fresh.

Can anyone imagine how great would it be if you could still buy those vintage metals done decades ago? But then again if every mini is available then the new ranges would probably be less popular.

You're comparing
>Vintage metal models that are 10-20+ years old

to

>Kits and box sets released under 6 months ago

The comparison hardly holds up. I can understand things being discontinued, but this is ridiculous.

Lets be positive shall we?
The principle is exactly the same, too many Barcodes to handle some need to drop to give space to others… the only difference is the speed it's going but have you noticed the warp speed of GW new releases the last few years? For sure the faster you release the faster you need to discontinue.

Ridiculous you say? Probably? but not sure. KT is not GW core game and maybe to update/maintain it they need to go at this speed?

Short life products that don’t sell enough for a reprint, get discontinued. Not exactly shocking.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The principle is exactly the same, too many Barcodes to handle some need to drop to give space to others… the only difference is the speed it's going but have you noticed the warp speed of GW new releases the last few years? For sure the faster you release the faster you need to discontinue.

Ridiculous you say? Probably? but not sure. KT is not GW core game and maybe to update/maintain it they need to go at this speed?

And I said again that if GW were that concerned about SKUs they wouldn't have released 6 separate Ork buggy kits.