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JSG wrote:
An 80 page codex is a little worrying.

To put it in context, the Daemonkin and Vanguard Marine "books" that came with Shadowspear were 24 pages each and extremely light on fluff.

80 pages sounds about right for something like this.

zamerion wrote:



Is any date mentioned in the video?

He says November and speculates this particular Chinese site jumped the gun.

JSG wrote:
An 80 page codex is a little worrying.

Approx. 20% shorter than most 8th ed. books, but longer than any previous Sisters book/list.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

JSG wrote:
An 80 page codex is a little worrying.

Approx. 20% shorter than most 8th ed. books, but longer than any previous Sisters book/list.

And the same page count as the Custodes.

 Geifer wrote:
Hopefully GW reacts to this and gives us good pictures, like a nice group shot of all the models. Or a non-blurry picture of the Mistress.

JSG wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.

I suspect they will given the codex included will showcase the entire range.

Prior to the latest Marine codex that would have been par for the course. Yet with that book, for the first time in forever, GW was comfortable showing off new kits that are still not released.

I wouldn't take the presence of the codex in that box as a sign that any full kits are released with a short time of the boxed set. Possible, but no longer certainty.

Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

Hopefully they release killteam rules at the same time because otherwise new players will have nothing else to do with the models until the full kits release.


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balmong7 wrote:
God I hope there aren't a lot of sisters players in my town. I want this box and am terrified it will sell out everywhere.

tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)

A bunch of nicely posed updates in a box set for collectors or those starting an army is... well, not the sky falling as some of you seem to think. Seems like a nice bunch of models if you want them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JSG wrote:
An 80 page codex is a little worrying.

To put it in context, the Daemonkin and Vanguard Marine "books" that came with Shadowspear were 24 pages each and extremely light on fluff.

80 pages sounds about right for something like this.

Just to add to this, the Harlequins Codex is 80 pages, so it fits into the standard Codex range, even if it's a bit smaller than usual. I do expect this to be the actual codex though based on what they've said elsewhere

ERJAK wrote:
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

It's almost as if they didn't think anyone actually played the game, just bought the cool models.

I so want to buy this box. I'm going to add the 3 arcoflagellants to the models I already own, meaning I'll be able to field a full unit of 3 arcoflagellants, and same with Repentias, so a 4 repentia unit! And a horde of 1 penitent engine ^^.

I'm going to love having a real codex, though, and strats cards!
But 80 stratagems seems a lot. Will it be 80 for strats + special objectives and other stuff?

ERJAK wrote:

tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)

Thats... a ridiculous way to look at it. There may not be a ton of people playing Sisters at the moment, but thats hardly surprising for an army that hasn't had a proper release in over 15 years and has never been well supported anyway. what I think does exist is a large number of players who either previously played Sisters and are eager to come back or always wanted to but never did because the army was extremely poorly supported. there were hardly any Genestealer Cult players after 20 years of being ignored, but that didn't stop both new and old players picking up the army once it was available. From what I understand its now pretty popular.

I'm one of those players. I stopped playing 40K 10 years ago, and I'm only coming back because of Sisters. I know 5 other players locally who are excited to come back for the same reasons (and keep in mind, I have no contact with the local 40k community at all, so these are just 5 random gamers I know who are excited for this release). For over a decade the comments surrounding Sisters has been "I'll come back when they get a proper release" or "I'll start collecting them when they're in plastic". Your assertion that no one is going to be interested in sisters is ridiculous.

Also the new SM codex and Psychic Awakening reveals gives me hope there will be rules for making your own Order, so the Order of the Ebony Lance will live as itself rather than as a count-as major order \o/.

I will definitely be buying this box.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Also the new SM codex and Psychic Awakening reveals gives me hope there will be rules for making your own Order, so the Order of the Ebony Lance will live as itself rather than as a count-as major order \o/.

Oh yeah, I'm hoping that as well.

80 page codex....so it'll cost only 30 bucks right?

I'm just curious of the models in the box set are unique to that box or if those exact models will be sold separately later.

 jake wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)

Thats... a ridiculous way to look at it. There may not be a ton of people playing Sisters at the moment, but thats hardly surprising for an army that hasn't had a proper release in over 15 years and has never been well supported anyway. what I think does exist is a large number of players who either previously played Sisters and are eager to come back or always wanted to but never did because the army was extremely poorly supported. there were hardly any Genestealer Cult players after 20 years of being ignored, but that didn't stop both new and old players picking up the army once it was available. From what I understand its now pretty popular.

I'm one of those players. I stopped playing 40K 10 years ago, and I'm only coming back because of Sisters. I know 5 other players locally who are excited to come back for the same reasons (and keep in mind, I have no contact with the local 40k community at all, so these are just 5 random gamers I know who are excited for this release). For over a decade the comments surrounding Sisters has been "I'll come back when they get a proper release" or "I'll start collecting them when they're in plastic". Your assertion that no one is going to be interested in sisters is ridiculous.

That's a ridiculous way to look at it. YOU asserted no one would be interested. I didn't say that at ALL.

I said there are very few people who PLAY sisters.

He specifically said 'Sisters Players' not 'people who maybe wanna sorta start a sisters army if they can find the money oh but it's mary's wedding that saturday so I guess I'll pick it up sunday, oh wait it's timmy's soccer game that day, yunno what I don't need a new army'.

The people who actually play the army are few and far between. The people who will pick up the box set is a larger, totally speculative number.

If you're saying 'I hope there aren't a lot of sisters players in my area' the answer is 'Duh, there's like 200 sisters players on the planet.' If you're saying 'I hope there aren't a whole lot of people in my area that intend to buy the box set.' That number is so impossible to forecast that even attempting to is ridiculous.

Also, your life story is not evidence, it's anecdote.


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 Thargrim wrote:
80 page codex....so it'll cost only 30 bucks right?

I'm just curious of the models in the box set are unique to that box or if those exact models will be sold separately later.

Are you asking if this particular sprue build of the models is going to be limited to the box set?

Dunno, I doubt it though. Plastic molds are expensive. They'll likely either include the sprues in another discount box or come out with 'easy build' type discounted boxes lime the repulsor had.

Are you asking if this box set is the only way to ever get plastic battle sisters?

No.

I meant if this box is the only way to get these models specifically, since they are on mixed sprues. Maybe they'll roll them into a start collecting later. But I know I wouldn't be able to get this box till december and it might be sold out by then.

 Thargrim wrote:
I meant if this box is the only way to get these models specifically, since they are on mixed sprues. Maybe they'll roll them into a start collecting later. But I know I wouldn't be able to get this box till december and it might be sold out by then.

Shadowspear sprues seemed to have vanished completely.

That's what I was afraid of, I like these sculpts and don't want to miss out on them. Instead of making them go away like Shadowspear i'd rather they got reboxed or put into a smaller start collecting with no codex. Seems like a lot of effort to develop these sprues and then stop producing them so quickly.

There's a good chance that the Shadowspear sprues will come back in the future though, possibly as part of Chaos involvement in a PA book, so never say never. Not much consolation for those who don't want to wait but are unable to get the box of course, but I doubt they'll disappear forever.

ERJAK wrote:
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.

 Red Corsair wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.

Isn't the new box set ltd edition - I certainly remember that GW MASSIVELy cocked up with the resin Cannoness release and loads of people (including me) had to wait much linger fior the pre-order to arrive. They even appologised and said how shocked they werre

Now if the box set is ltd AND the metals are not avaible?

All we know right now is that the codex within the army pack is "exclusive".

 Red Corsair wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.

I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.

The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible. It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.

You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!

Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're not the real kits.

That's a shame.

Are they a digital download only? Or made of taffy and therefore edible/perishable? If you're referring to monopose kits, they're still real btw even if they don't necessarily suit your fancy. I too prefer in most cases fully poseable kits but it doesn't mean that more cinematic monopose ones should automatically get downgraded to imaginary status.

ERJAK wrote:

I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.

The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible.

Assuming that the points are staying the same is a bit of a stretch. Repentia don't come in units of 4 right now after all.

It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.

You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!

Do you actually know how to introduce new players to the game? Because I can tell you right now, 10 Intercessors wouldn't make an appearance nor would their Chapter rules or anything like that.

Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.

He ain't wrong though. It's a detachment in a box, and depending upon the point values it is a good box to compare to, say, the way most people who actually know what the hell they're doing with teaching new players the game would do:

Slow grow leagues/Start Collecting based setups.

 Red Corsair wrote:
WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.

With the beta numbers as a guide, it looks to be a vanguard detachment of 450pts (basic gear) to 500pts (all meltas, etc).
Definitely casual. Min sized unarmoured assault units and no firepower to speak of - it'd be interesting to see the odds of a single buffed-up Iron Hands executioner wiping out the entire box in a single shooting phase.

But it's not a bad box set as a starter/paint project. I just hope the price isn't extortionate, and that the codex has been dragged out of 3rd edition along with the models.

A.T. wrote:
Definitely casual. Min sized unarmoured assault units and no firepower to speak of - it'd be interesting to see the odds of a single buffed-up Iron Hands executioner wiping out the entire box in a single shooting phase.

If a single model that isn't a titan or anything can kill 24 infantry models, in 5 different units, with 2 of thow 24 infantry models being characters, and most of them having a 3+ save, AND a walker on top of it all, in a single shooting phase there is really a big problem with GW's rules!

Sisters of battle have never been an army for beginners...

If anything, there would be some of the Inquisition stuff to get you a few sisters on the table as attachments. Nice to see a few options out there, That boxed set looks like a Start playing box to just get a few models on the table for people to try the new rules, in the off chance that they work for the game.

Death Cult figures were part of the Inquisitor retinue, along with the Hospitaller, the champion, the Veteran Guardsman, the Servitor, the Idol holder, the mouthpiece, the psycher, etc.... There's not going to be a whole squad of them, when most of these sisters start out as Repenta.

Any word on pulling out and dusting off the Immolator, Land raider, and Special weapons/ troops and vehicles from back in the day?

FYI, that box is a "Get them on the table box"... Trust me, the rest of the stuff is right alongside it, and around the corner. THEN there's the Sisters of Silence Squads that they were inferring in the WD coming up...

My guess- Sisters are going to get some heavy and super heavy stuff, a dread sort of thing, and a Jump infantry option that is going to close the distance, along with their own sets of Drop pods, and "New and Improved" special sisters, on par with the Primeris Marines for the Ecclisiary.. (It works for the Space Marine's, it works even better to the Ecclesiary)

ERJAK wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.

WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.

I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.

The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible. It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.

You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!

Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.

Maybe, just maybe they care more about providing a wide sample of dope looking new models then they care about some dude screeching about how badly his army might perform before ever reading a single rule.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
If a single model that isn't a titan or anything can kill 24 infantry models, in 5 different units, with 2 of thow 24 infantry models being characters, and most of them having a 3+ save, AND a walker on top of it all, in a single shooting phase there is really a big problem with GW's rules!

Well they are all T3 (currently), mostly single wound and seven with no armour saves.

Four S10 AP -5 shots doing 3-6 damage each should be sufficient for the penitent, leaving roughly 27 AP -2 and 15 AP 0 shots at 3+ to wound plus a couple of S7 missiles and mortal wound potshots. Reroll 1s plus any other buffs.

I guess the character targetting rules would mean that the canoness and mistress would walk away.