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 MacPhail wrote:
Well, that all looks absolutely amazing...

On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?

Considering Seraphim are in the limited box and are called Seraphim? No, no they cannot.

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.

What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?

A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)

Battle sanctum


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 MacPhail wrote:
Well, that all looks absolutely amazing...

On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?

On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?

Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.

Nice job, gee-dubs!

No because they've already said seraphim like 100 times including in the box set.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?

I know the fallacy of relative privation is popular around these parts, but "if nobody dies, it's basically fine" is some top-tier work there chief


For myself, I wasn't planning on getting the box at all, but a local bloke offered to buy the Codex and I thought, hey, at a nice 25% discount and rid of the dead weight of the book, why not? So it does rankle that it looks like we're getting another under-produced half year report fluffer rather than a proper release, since anywhere offering a discount will be lucky to get more than a handful.

The new models look awesome. The Imagifier is my favourite of them all.

Really hoping I can grab a box now. Gonna be my xmas present.

 JohnnyHell wrote:


Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Yes but considering this is the first time in this entire drawn-out preview process that we are getting language suggestive of a limited release and they're giving the exact date/time pre-orders go up as well, it really does seem manipulative to me.

They could have said it would be a limited run from the get-go rather than build (some people's) hopes up. Now they've quashed a bunch of hype I had for the box set and basically given scalpers a how-to on taking advantage of the situation.

The floating pulprit is great, I just dislike the head, which I will replace with the cathedral-helmet from the exorcist for maximum over-the-topness. ^^

About the dominions and celestians, I don't see which are the special components on the two examples.

 Mr Morden wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

yeah this is the only thing that annoys me - money ready - but have to be lucky to get what i want....Sheesh

They might not have done, there is a limited chance to get this box before the bulk of it turns into a start collecting box but that's down to the limited ed box and the inclusion of the cards and dice, but we've no idea what the stock level is. It might sell out really quickly, but that doesn't mean there is only the same number of sets as Looncurse etc - you could get the new Knight/Admech set which was the first of the sets for months after release. I don't think any of these things are artificial shortages, it's just that production time is a resource and it has to be assigned and waste stock eating up space in a warehouse is very expensive (give it could have been making more Looncurses).

And whilst plastic sisters may have had a lot of hype and be a bit of an internet meme, it's going to be tricky to work out how to put that into context of how popular the army will be.

So this box lets the old collectors get something special (with the extra cards, limited ed book etc) in order to make it more of an event, that in turn lets you justify doing unique moulds for this kit (and thus then start collecting) which then makes the choice to have troops, FA and elite sisters being a single kit a little easier. The main release then comes out three months later in Jan, on the back of this hype and with enough notice to let you decide if the internet hype is going to translate into sustained sales to warrant doing an additional run on sisters books and models sooner rather than later.

So yeah, point is Sisters are still a gamble until they hit the shops and this box is launching a range they'll need to support for decades, combined with excess stock being a terrible thing in wasted potential and recurring costs, means that there might be a wait between the big PR splash and the sustainable production release. Think of it really being that sisters are being released in January as a real army, but they've tweaked their production schedule to get something out early.

Samko wrote:
About the dominions and celestians, I don't see which are the special components on the two examples.

All I can see is a slightly different head and gun on the red armored one and a tiny symbol on the visor of the black armored one.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?

It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.

ERJAK wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?

It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.

And we still have no idea when that release is, correct?

My FLGS was asked to have their preorders ready this morning, fwiw.

The minis industry is in a weird place. Retail can't compete with wholesale on selection or price, so they're really only competing on the first week or two of sales. Anything beyond that is essentially a loss and they'll quickly abandon a product line that sits on shelves for any length of time because honestly no one's going to stumble in and pick it off the shelves. So GW is essentially playing to that with a constant stream of new releases and making sure they're limited enough to ensure that they're gone before the next one comes out.

 deviantduck wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Damn it's so stupid that they create this artificial shortage of the boxset. What's the point really.

Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Also, if it’s not Limited, then the bundled Codex has no collectors value. Has to be limited to force the MUST BUY feeling. There’ll be plenty of Sororitas to come by the looks of it so no one is truly gonna miss out. Sucks if you don’t get a box, but... no one dies?

It is the only way to get the full codex before the complete release though.

And we still have no idea when that release is, correct?

Early next year. Says so in the current article.

With the return of the Imagifier does anyone think there is a chance they as well as Celestine will get the chance to generate miracle dice like they could generate AoF in the index?

 Kawauso wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


Limited edition is a classic tactic that guarantees a big cash influx without risk of stock being left on shelves (looking at you, Blood of the Phoenix...). It’s not new or particularly ‘manipulative’ as is being claimed. Now eBay scalpers that will buy lots to mark up? THAT is manipulative and uncool.

Yes but considering this is the first time in this entire drawn-out preview process that we are getting language suggestive of a limited release and they're giving the exact date/time pre-orders go up as well, it really does seem manipulative to me.

They could have said it would be a limited run from the get-go rather than build (some people's) hopes up. Now they've quashed a bunch of hype I had for the box set and basically given scalpers a how-to on taking advantage of the situation.

So you’d have preferred they didn’t tell us it was limited or when to pre-order? Odd. Because scalpers gonna scalp, and at least you now have a heads-up. The limited edition strategy stops people going “that looks cool - I’ll buy it next summer”... Again, sucks if you don’t get one but you can log on and preorder just like anyone else so <shrug>.


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 LunarSol wrote:
My FLGS was asked to have their preorders ready this morning, fwiw.

The minis industry is in a weird place. Retail can't compete with wholesale on selection or price, so they're really only competing on the first week or two of sales. Anything beyond that is essentially a loss and they'll quickly abandon a product line that sits on shelves for any length of time because honestly no one's going to stumble in and pick it off the shelves. So GW is essentially playing to that with a constant stream of new releases and making sure they're limited enough to ensure that they're gone before the next one comes out.

Indeed. And it’s making them a lot of money. So their strategy ain’t gonna change!

 dracpanzer wrote:
With the return of the Imagifier does anyone think there is a chance they as well as Celestine will get the chance to generate miracle dice like they could generate AoF in the index?

I goddam hope so

 MacPhail wrote:
Well, that all looks absolutely amazing...

On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?

On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?

Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.

Nice job, gee-dubs!

8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.


As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)

I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.

....so lets see.

i see the words for modern Sisters is "over the top" and to me "overdesign" even more.

whats the overunder on Stern being a character at this point? im feeling pretty low.

the flying pulpit is a letdown for me. in my head, thats left to the ministorum to be that gaudy, but then my image of sisters is less religious ornamentation than others shown here. oh, but it's a order locked special character, to an order i never intend to play. Why does GW keep doing this? every faction i like locks the bulk of their special characters behind one subfaction. they didn't have to do it this time at all, and it's not much of a centerpiece option if only one of the 6 subfactions gets to use it. inner argent shroud vaguely annoyed. I wonder what it's stats are. another reason im not as interested in it is it's heavy flamer kit, and i tend to think longer ranged than that. if it can zip forward though and has decent toughness... maybe?

so Celestians are part of the same kit as battle sisters and dominions. Dominions are still here. YAY! Celestians.... did they even change though? I'm worrying about them having any new viability. It felt to me like they'd be perfect for an alternative melee sister, but if so little has changed they are still made from this kit with the new stuff... that's a bit concerning.

so cherubs are pictured in the new base unit set. what will they be doing to justify them, and im starting to worry about transport because of how much taller they keep making everything. feels like id have to order deeper storage just to transport all the new taller stuff.

i still don't like the new hospitaller over the older one. but the new dialogus and Imagifier seem nice. i really like the feel i get from the new imagifier, even though im not a fan of the icon (mostly size again). Maybe it's the lack of ornamentation compared to other parts the range, or the more serene expression, or something. the dialogus's face i don't really like, but all the books and scrolls is up my alley.

the Canoness... okay, highs and lows here. first off, i like the general look a LOT more than the first canoness they showed off, who didn't look like she was even going into battle practically in my eyes. loads of swap-options as well.but i have a thing were i don't like models with one foot on terrain. it happens so often now and it's minor on top of that i know, but seriously, id rather just have the foot on the ground flat, but it seems like foot on masonry is in this time period.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
Well, that all looks absolutely amazing...

On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?

On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?

Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.

Nice job, gee-dubs!

8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.


As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)

I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.

He's saying he already owns 8-12 of each.

ERJAK wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
Well, that all looks absolutely amazing...

On the Zephyrim, I hope others of you are correct that it's a new Seraphim build, melee option, bikes, flyer, etc... but I have to observe GW's recent shift to made-up and copyrightable names. Could they just be Seraphim under new branding?

On the Canoness... that'll just be fun with magents. Brazier of Holy Fire?

Overall, lovely dynamic poses, great iconography, and it seems like really agreeable build variety and sprue design. I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.

Nice job, gee-dubs!

8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.


As for the Zephyrim question-by the name I think its probably a melee Seraphim version. (and boy would that be awesome, Celestine can really enjoy some squads to assault with. Gemini aside)

I was really on the fence with the sisters box set, I was.
But seeing this article made me place an order with my supplier. just the knowledge that there is freaking NEW STUFF makes it apparent that someone up in today's GW actually loves the sisters, and give them plenty of attention.
And the new stuff looks SOOOOO GOOOOOD, and given I've got a Tzeentch and a Tau army, I can now say I own an Imperial, a Xeno and a Chaos.

He's saying he already owns 8-12 of each.

I may or may not be an idiot

So this is my first Xmas special year being into the game.

Do you just buy from GW or will the AS boxes appear in online retailers for pre order on Saturday too?

online retailers should have them (and at a discount),

however especially when things are in high demand they can oversell either deliberately in the hope they can get extra stock, or accidentally (websites unable to cope with volume of orders, GW rep doesn't deliver the number of boxes they promised)

So if you HAVE to have it it's one of the few occasions that paying a bit more for a GW direct order may make sense

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?

I knew i'd be a thing! I can hear her sermon now. " Ye Followers of the Emperor! Fear not, Repressors are in our ordained Codex! Behold their utilitarian versatility! May they bring the burninators to their destination in the Emperors grace.

 BoomWolf wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
I'm pretty well set with about 8-12 of every special/heavy except multi-meltas, so I'm excited to just build and paint for the fun of it and sprinkle these new plastics among my OG metal models from the 90s.

8-12 of each?
Why on earth? the entire squad is just 10 girls, and the superior can't get one too.
And the squads that carry a lot are just 5 girls in a squad.
I'd wager 2, or 4 of each gun. between all the specials and heavies, there are just too many.

He's saying he already owns 8-12 of each.

I may or may not be an idiot

Yeah... I was noting how glad I am not to have to build depth. I won't blame anyone for going big on this army, especially now that I've seen a little of the rules and the sculpts, but that's going to be a huge investment to get the bits you need. Although it sounds like there may be plenty of hardware to go around if the BSS box also makes Dominions... now let's hope Stratagems and whatnot breathe some life back into meltas and flamers so I can pull those out and give the Betadex Wall o' Stormbolters a break.

My current shopping list using assumed prices is 1900$

ERJAK wrote:
My current shopping list using assumed prices is 1900$

The Emperor smiles on those who invest faithfully. My wife, on the other hand...

Meh, I am just about to land a job (probably), so I'm fine with a few expenses...

Though I really need a new computer, mine's trashy even for a toaster.

ERJAK wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.

What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?

A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)

Battle sanctum

Terrain piece.

Voss wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

Who'd have thought eh?
New units after all, revealed only after showing most things we knew would come.
Some people really should have had some more.. faith.

What new units are you referring to? A probable dual kit with weapon-swap, or the already existing support characters (that used to be command squad options)?

A new special character, HQ or two was predictable (and predicted)

Battle sanctum

Terrain piece.

Has rules, still counts.

I definitely don't need these, nope, definitely not.. not even a kill team ... or a squad, or the seraphim ..or the imagifier..or that hospitaler..

Those are some nice models.. damn...