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Back to TFG.

I don't see it in Competitive play. When you get to know some of the top players in almost any game system, people nearly universally describe them as sweet, fun to play against and a great game to play.

Cause to Git Gud, you have to play. If your TFG you don't get to play. TFG doesn't get to exist long enough to git gud enough to play at top levels.

Reality is that for a casual who's group might have been playing smite wrong for the last 18 months, and no one cared cause only Jim has that model and he hates to play it.. its a rude awakening when they got a competitive game and get a lesson that it works differently. And maybe some don't take it well. But what is the solution?

Reemule wrote:
Back to TFG.

I don't see it in Competitive play. When you get to know some of the top players in almost any game system, people nearly universally describe them as sweet, fun to play against and a great game to play.

Cause to Git Gud, you have to play. If your TFG you don't get to play. TFG doesn't get to exist long enough to git gud enough to play at top levels.

Reality is that for a casual who's group might have been playing smite wrong for the last 18 months, and no one cared cause only Jim has that model and he hates to play it.. its a rude awakening when they got a competitive game and get a lesson that it works differently. And maybe some don't take it well. But what is the solution?

The 14 page Cheating at the LVO thread would say otherwise - there is definite TFG behaviour at the top tables at a "premier" 40k event.

 NurglesR0T wrote:


The 14 page Cheating at the LVO thread would say otherwise - there is definite TFG behaviour at the top tables at a "premier" 40k event.

There is definitely TFG behavior in that thread. Also agendas, rumors, and second hand information. Strangely few witnesses.

I find if there are prizes of some significant monetary value, no game is safe from TFG behavior.
Heck, some of the more competitive types could be tempted to "the dark side" if it is worth-it to them.

The main drama we all see is when your opponent is not playing to the same rules as you are.

- TFG: will ignore whatever rules he thinks he can get away with and make up a few while he is at it.
- Competitive: Will religiously follow the rules (RAW!!!) and will expect you to play your "best" game (optimal, points efficient, most synergistic units) and will typically not care that a unit composition flies in the face of what the "fluff" says.
- Scrub: has added rules that he adheres to and expects you to follow with or without your agreement (comments of "that is cheesy", "that is OP"... "it's not fair!" in general).-
- "Old Grognard":I am willing to include myself in this category after playing some 8 editions of the game a few prior versions of rules get mixed up in my head with the current edition it can be exasperating for both players.
- "Casual": Seems to fall into a couple categories from the "Fluff" type that wants everything to be true to the stories and then the "It's just a game" types that I think want to downplay the game since they hate losing....
- I would tentatively add the "house rule monster", I have a friend that just cannot play the game as written... it is a painful experience for him to play "straight out of the box" without just itching to "improve" the game. It has been comical to exploit the new rules and prove how some rules unchanged have worth. We made the rule of "play 3 full games before you change anything" he keeps wanting to change that too... What makes it worse is THEN my "Old Grognard" behavior gets worse now with house rules memorized as well.

So yeah, drama from player wants and expectations with each other and with GW keeps it pretty lively.
We can always add other controversial topics like tourney rules, recasters, 3D printing and the GW financial reports (less an issue these days).

 Talizvar wrote:


You know looking at all this and a few familiar 40k names I saw in history, the Imperium is completely based on the Polish!

If that were true, 41st millennium food would be better.