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 Kanluwen wrote:
I mean, while you're not wrong...the Intercessors do have 3 different types of boltguns to choose from.

And it seems that like many others you're conflating "kitbashing" with "options". You have customization you can do, certainly but it is not really the same as actually having options.

I'd love to know where these Raven Guard upgrade sprues are though. Because GW sure as hell isn't the one selling them...and FW only sells packs to do 5 models at a time for $33.

They sure do. And one type of boltgun is 100% always the best option.

I am not conflating "kitbashing" with "options" i'm looking at them separately.

Oldmarines have far better kitbashing potential to make your squad of identically armed dudes unique.

Oldmarines also have far more extensive in-game options to make your squad of dudes armed differently, and therefore more unique.

They have both. Primaris have the exact same level of options on their units as eldar and necrons do. Most people who want to play space marines want to make them interesting by customizing them, and this loss of options is a problem. If you are not one of those people, great! Don't pretend that loss doesn't exist, though.

the_scotsman wrote:


Again, this is funny to me.

"primaris marines do have character, to make them look the way you like, just...use...old marine bits..."

What's so funny about it? Sameyness is the known flaw of the primaris at this point due the youngness of the line. But with combining them with the old bits gives you best of the both worlds, personalised marines that do not look like mishapen squats.

In answer to the OP, no I don't think we should all just avoid buying SM, although they are welcome to if they're worried. I only came back to WH40K in 8th edition, and started collecting from scratch again. Whatever happens in the future, I'm just glad to have bought and painted an army of iconic SM and have the full set of 8th edition rules for them.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I rather have a fewer number of good looking kits than greater nember of bad looking kits. And of course nothing is stopping one from kitbashing sime parts of those old kits with the Primaris. Whilst I agree that Primaris are currently somewhat samey, I exect it will change given time. Jes pretty much confirmed it already. Personally I have had absolute blast with the Primaris, personalising them has been great fun.

Again, this is funny to me.

"primaris marines do have character, to make them look the way you like, just...use...old marine bits..."

I like how primaris detractors don't see how hilarious they and their arguments are, especially seeing they apply three times as much to old marines than to primaris. Imagine tactical squad box just came out and is the only kit in SM range - what can you do to customize them? Well, gee, nothing! The fact you need to kitbash your basic troop box with another SM kit to customize them applies equally to both, in fact it applies way more to old marines. Why? Because all you can do with tactical squad box is 10 clones clutching bolter in front in dumb way, complete with even dumber squat. Primaris have lots of differing combinations and interesting bits, I feel pretty confident I can make 20 different ones out of the box in minutes, whereas I'd need to spend hours doing the same to tactical squad cutting them up to get rid of clutchsquat plus waste tons of greenstuff and the end result would be much worse...

AndrewGPaul wrote:I think there'll come a point - give it a couple of years - that there'll be a Codex: Primaris Astartes or whatever it'll be called that contains only Primaris units, and all the old datasheets will be hived off to a legacy PDF (like they've been doing with Age of Sigmar)....

I think this might happen sooner than you think. I suspect we'll be seeing a Primaris Vanguard codex later this year.

Also, I quite like the clean, featureless aesthetic of the Primaris. It let's me add flair if and how I want to. It's a lot easier to add flair where there's none, than it is to remove flair that's part of a model's mould.

 Irbis wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I rather have a fewer number of good looking kits than greater nember of bad looking kits. And of course nothing is stopping one from kitbashing sime parts of those old kits with the Primaris. Whilst I agree that Primaris are currently somewhat samey, I exect it will change given time. Jes pretty much confirmed it already. Personally I have had absolute blast with the Primaris, personalising them has been great fun.

Again, this is funny to me.

"primaris marines do have character, to make them look the way you like, just...use...old marine bits..."

I like how primaris detractors don't see how hilarious they and their arguments are, especially seeing they apply three times as much to old marines than to primaris. Imagine tactical squad box just came out and is the only kit in SM range - what can you do to customize them? Well, gee, nothing! The fact you need to kitbash your basic troop box with another SM kit to customize them applies equally to both, in fact it applies way more to old marines. Why? Because all you can do with tactical squad box is 10 clones clutching bolter in front in dumb way, complete with even dumber squat. Primaris have lots of differing combinations and interesting bits, I feel pretty confident I can make 20 different ones out of the box in minutes, whereas I'd need to spend hours doing the same to tactical squad cutting them up to get rid of clutchsquat plus waste tons of greenstuff and the end result would be much worse...

When was the last time you assembled a Tactical squad? Its got every special weapon, a heavy weapon, the parts to build any combi-weapon, several marks of armor with some shoulder pad options, plus a number of different cc weapon options for the sergeant/s. I havent built the intercessor kit, but I hear they're more rigorously monopose than the Tacs as well.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I rather have a fewer number of good looking kits than greater nember of bad looking kits. And of course nothing is stopping one from kitbashing sime parts of those old kits with the Primaris. Whilst I agree that Primaris are currently somewhat samey, I exect it will change given time. Jes pretty much confirmed it already. Personally I have had absolute blast with the Primaris, personalising them has been great fun.

Again, this is funny to me.

"primaris marines do have character, to make them look the way you like, just...use...old marine bits..."

I like how primaris detractors don't see how hilarious they and their arguments are, especially seeing they apply three times as much to old marines than to primaris. Imagine tactical squad box just came out and is the only kit in SM range - what can you do to customize them? Well, gee, nothing! The fact you need to kitbash your basic troop box with another SM kit to customize them applies equally to both, in fact it applies way more to old marines. Why? Because all you can do with tactical squad box is 10 clones clutching bolter in front in dumb way, complete with even dumber squat. Primaris have lots of differing combinations and interesting bits, I feel pretty confident I can make 20 different ones out of the box in minutes, whereas I'd need to spend hours doing the same to tactical squad cutting them up to get rid of clutchsquat plus waste tons of greenstuff and the end result would be much worse...

When was the last time you assembled a Tactical squad? Its got every special weapon, a heavy weapon, the parts to build any combi-weapon, several marks of armor with some shoulder pad options, plus a number of different cc weapon options for the sergeant/s. I havent built the intercessor kit, but I hear they're more rigorously monopose than the Tacs as well.

I put together one kit because I got it for free.

They're really not that monopose. Detractors are just mad because angles of Bolters really get them going or something.
When all is said and done, how many poses are you going to get with a bolter anyway?

 Crimson wrote:
Why not just buy the Primaris instead?

Because a primaris captain can't equip a thunder hammer and terminator armor.

Primaris are far too limited in what you can build them as for me to want to play them. If I wanted that I'd play Eldar.

 Melissia wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why not just buy the Primaris instead?

Because a primaris captain can't equip a thunder hammer and terminator armor.

Primaris are far too limited in what you can build them as for me to want to play them. If I wanted that I'd play Eldar.

You can kitbash the Captains with realistic proportions. "Captain" entry and make a better model.

Easy as that. Terminator armor is more difficult of course along with Biker, but Jump Pack is also easy.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why not just buy the Primaris instead?

Because a primaris captain can't equip a thunder hammer and terminator armor.

Primaris are far too limited in what you can build them as for me to want to play them. If I wanted that I'd play Eldar.

You can kitbash the Captains with realistic proportions. "Captain" entry and make a better model.

Easy as that. Terminator armor is more difficult of course along with Biker, but Jump Pack is also easy.

"If you think can't, you're right!" Paraphrased from Henry Ford.

Nothing is stopping you from doin it.

I want to kitbash an Inceptor Captain with thunder hammer and flamestorm gauntlet.

If you want the models then the idea that the models may no longer be available in the future is only all the more reason to get them; it's now or never!

Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

Karol wrote:
Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

My Space Marines are fun and that in itself is useful to me. That's good enough reason for me to buy them, and I don't think that makes me insane. Like I said before, if I were starting out fresh, I'd go with Primaris, because they're new and I like them a lot, but I already have a bunch of oldmarines, which I also like, and I fully intend to keep adding more of them.

Also,

at some point

could be quite a bit away. I'd rather get what I want now and have it now, than wait an unknown amount of time not getting anything because I'm afraid of what might happen tomorrow.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Why not just buy the Primaris instead?

Because a primaris captain can't equip a thunder hammer and terminator armor.

Primaris are far too limited in what you can build them as for me to want to play them. If I wanted that I'd play Eldar.

You can kitbash the Captains with realistic proportions.

Realistic proportions

Its a myth that Primaris are realistically proportioned or 'truescale'. Their bodies are closer to ideal art proportions than classic marines, but they still have oversized heads/helmets, arms, hands, hugely oversized weapons and narrow bodies. They are still heroically scaled.

Its also a myth they are better posed than classic marines; most of them are still in the classic braced firing 'squatting' pose like classics. Sure you have 2 nicely posed walking guys in the Dark Imperium box, but I can have nicely posed walking guys as well if I use a pair of legs from the deathwatch kit. I can also get a large variety of leg poses from many other classic kits.

Of course the Primaris are heroically proportioned, all GW models are and it is absolutely fine. They just have better heroic proportions. Just like GW's newer human models have better heroic proportions than Cadians or Catachans have.

I was pointing out that they don't have realistic proportions, as slayerfan123 claimed.

I wasn't commenting on which had better proportions. That is the realm of opinion.

Proportions don't come into it for me where primaris are concerned, aside from the fact I find them overly large for infantry models. I dislike many aspects of their design aethsetic.

robbienw wrote:
I was pointing out that they don't have realistic proportions, as slayerfan123 claimed.

I wasn't commenting on which had better proportions. That is the realm of opinion.

Proportions don't come into it for me where primaris are concerned, aside from the fact I find them overly large for infantry models. I dislike many aspects of their design aethsetic.

It's realistic compared to everything else so my point stands. If you're really going to try and create a "got you!" moment from that, it proves how much better the Primaris models are.
There's also literally nothing off about their design or aesthetic. They're the next armor up, and if they were released in minimarine proportions NOBODY would say anything. It's simply hating Primaris for the sake of hating them.

Y'all need to get over it.

Your point does not stand. Its not a 'got you', you are just wrong. You should have said they are slightly closer to being realistically proportioned to 'everything else' then, because they are not realistically proportioned.

There being nothing off with their design aesthetic is your individual opinion, it is not fact. Primaris mega fans trying to assert their opinions as fact seems to be a bit of a on ongoing theme.

In my opinion, there are a lot of things off with the primaris design aethsetic, and the classic marine model design aethsetic is superior. It may be the case that it is you that needs to get over other people having a differing view to yours.

Karol wrote:
Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

By that logic you should be buying IG and IK instead, Primaris are also bad now. They really need embedded heavy weapon support and the only way to get that is to to play DW where old Marines are blatently superior. And even then DW is still inferior to IG/IK soup and is likely to remain so.

Have we really got to the point on Dakka where if you're not buying top tier tournament units you're insane?

 Brother Castor wrote:
Have we really got to the point on Dakka where if you're not buying top tier tournament units you're insane?

We've been there for a while. The unique aspect of this current time period appears to be the added twist that not only are people generally called insane for not buying top tier tournament units, the people calling them insane also complain loudly about how much The Militant Casuals have taken over the forum with their evil poisonous regime.

This seems a lot like the Nu-crons debacle. Somewhat aesthetically, but especially in terms of fluff and gameplay, primaris marines are not the space marines that people bought into. I bought into deathwatch because the fact I could custom build every soldier with his own unique loadout and appearance made for an awesome army building experience. Primaris marines have none of that flexibility. Being told to buy into primaris marines is like trying to collect Eldar and having someone tell me I just have to shut up and buy Tyranids now because they're obviously the same thing.

There are some things about them aesthetically I don't like - the obvious shift to keeping all their appearances "on brand" annoys me (every model has the recognizably "space marine" silhouette and helmet, unlike previously different designs for scouts, marines, terminators, etc) and I loathe every aspect of the Call of Duty aesthetic that got jammed into the Reivers. But for the most part, the actual reason I'll never play primaris marines is that gameplay wise they just aren't the army I signed up for. I wanted a mechanized, melee/shooting mixed, rapid deploying army with flexible loadouts allowing you to create specialized units. Primaris marines are a plodding, dull static footslogger gunline. They are as distinct in terms of playstyle as are regular marines and Tau, or regular marines and necrons.

I would absolutely love to see updated primaris-sized MkVI armour.

Sumilidon wrote:
With the all new Primaris Marines, the porting of characters to Primaris and the new, upcoming range - now is another exciting times to buy Space Marines. The problem however is that many leading people in the industry fully expect the current line of Space Marines to slowly and surely be squatted.

As such, should anyone looking to start an army but the original line or just avoid them until GWs intentions are clear?

I mention this from my own viewpoint. I view this game not only as a hobby, but as an investment, especially considering the cost. I still have armies from 20 years ago that are completely useable and I still do (I have a 1988 Bloodthirster I use as a Daemon prince) - but the idea that the Space Marines you buy today, spend more than money but time building and painting, only to then find they may be unusable in the future is something I feel GW needs to address.

To me its more that the current Marine range has been completed, with the few new elements becoming more and more outlandish so rather than keep expecting people to buy the 40th "new" slightly differnt version of the same tactical marine model or the super flanderised WOlfy Wolf wulf wulf models they have decided to stop - thank the gods. What model exactly are you missing from the current range?

Of course even if GW production stopped of the "old style Marines" they would continue to receive more support than all the other factions put together via Forgeworld.

If you are buying as an investment then the sooner they stop the better - althought the sheer amount of Marines producecd over the lifetime means they are unlikely to ever become rare.

Unless you are playing in tournaments most people will allow proxying - I still use my RT Marines as well as the shiny new ones - not every Marine is the same height or shape

robbienw wrote:
Your point does not stand. Its not a 'got you', you are just wrong. You should have said they are slightly closer to being realistically proportioned to 'everything else' then, because they are not realistically proportioned.

There being nothing off with their design aesthetic is your individual opinion, it is not fact. Primaris mega fans trying to assert their opinions as fact seems to be a bit of a on ongoing theme.

In my opinion, there are a lot of things off with the primaris design aethsetic, and the classic marine model design aethsetic is superior. It may be the case that it is you that needs to get over other people having a differing view to yours.

Pray tell...
What's off, design-wise? They fit the general aesthetic of a new armor, like a combination of Mk7, 8, and 4, the Bolters are just slightly bigger, and they're more realistically proportioned.

I said it once and I'll say it again: it is just hate of Primaris fluff. Everyone can keep saying they don't fit the setting, but they never explain how.

The Newman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

By that logic you should be buying IG and IK instead, Primaris are also bad now. They really need embedded heavy weapon support and the only way to get that is to to play DW where old Marines are blatently superior. And even then DW is still inferior to IG/IK soup and is likely to remain so.

If I could get the money I would. If you think primaris are bad then you dont know what bad means.

What's off, design-wise? They fit the general aesthetic of a new armor, like a combination of Mk7, 8, and 4, the Bolters are just slightly bigger, and they're more realistically proportioned.

7&8 are one of the worse looking armors marines can have, so that is one thing. Their bolters are not slightly bigger their are bigger then hvy bolters or psycannons, while having slightly upgraded stats of normal bolters. If there were realisticaly proportioned they would be smaller, or they would have different rules.

I actually don't like the primaris sculpts. I know this is probably heresy to many here. But they're just so much bigger than anything else on the table.

I would like them better if they had Custodes like rules, where they were something like 50 points apiece but were absolutely savage. Instead they're just "bigger marines," which doesn't really jive with me. Marines were big enough.

 Marmatag wrote:
I actually don't like the primaris sculpts. I know this is probably heresy to many here. But they're just so much bigger than anything else on the table.

I would like them better if they had Custodes like rules, where they were something like 50 points apiece but were absolutely savage. Instead they're just "bigger marines," which doesn't really jive with me. Marines were big enough.

Take MiniMarines out of that equation of "bigger than anything else on the table".

What's the issue after that? They hulk over Eldar and humans? That doesn't seem like a valid complaint to me.


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Karol wrote:

The Newman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

By that logic you should be buying IG and IK instead, Primaris are also bad now. They really need embedded heavy weapon support and the only way to get that is to to play DW where old Marines are blatently superior. And even then DW is still inferior to IG/IK soup and is likely to remain so.

If I could get the money I would. If you think primaris are bad then you dont know what bad means.

What's off, design-wise? They fit the general aesthetic of a new armor, like a combination of Mk7, 8, and 4, the Bolters are just slightly bigger, and they're more realistically proportioned.

7&8 are one of the worse looking armors marines can have, so that is one thing. Their bolters are not slightly bigger their are bigger then hvy bolters or psycannons, while having slightly upgraded stats of normal bolters. If there were realisticaly proportioned they would be smaller, or they would have different rules.

Please show the size difference between the Bolt Rifle and the Psycannon/Psilencer. I will be following up on this.

Also REALLY? Mk7 is basically the most iconic armor. I'm a Mk3 fanboy as they come, but to say Mk7 (and Mk8 too, especially as that's what everyone was giddy about when Deathwatch had announced kits) is the worst is just silly.
You're a Mk6 person, aren't you?

Karol wrote:

The Newman wrote:

Karol wrote:
Maybe if your insane. It is clear that they are going to be removing normal power armor units at some point, they are bad now. What if they never get to be good between now, and the point when GW decides to remove them totaly. Better spend money on something fun and useful.

By that logic you should be buying IG and IK instead, Primaris are also bad now. They really need embedded heavy weapon support and the only way to get that is to to play DW where old Marines are blatently superior. And even then DW is still inferior to IG/IK soup and is likely to remain so.

If I could get the money I would. If you think primaris are bad then you dont know what bad means.

What's off, design-wise? They fit the general aesthetic of a new armor, like a combination of Mk7, 8, and 4, the Bolters are just slightly bigger, and they're more realistically proportioned.

7&8 are one of the worse looking armors marines can have, so that is one thing. Their bolters are not slightly bigger their are bigger then hvy bolters or psycannons, while having slightly upgraded stats of normal bolters. If there were realisticaly proportioned they would be smaller, or they would have different rules.

Your last point is one of the big ones for me, but again it's gameplay related: Almost nothing Primaris performs the way it looks in game.

A redemptor dread is like 1.5x the size of a regular dreadnought. If you look at them next to each other they don't seem like they should be anywhere NEAR the same league of creature, it's like the difference between a crisis suit and a Ghostkeel. But what's the difference? Like half a lascannon worth of damage. Defenses identical otherwise. Firepower nothing special.

Gravis armor is the other one. The size difference between a regular primaris marine and an aggressor is equivalent to the size difference between a marine and a terminator. What's a terminator to a marine? Invuln save, double the wounds, double the firepower, double the attacks, 2+ save. What's a gravis marine to a primaris marine? +1T.

The amount of times I've played vs primaris marines and stuff just gets hosed off the table while I blink and go "Wait...really? That's all they had to them?" is amazing.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

robbienw wrote:
Your point does not stand. Its not a 'got you', you are just wrong. You should have said they are slightly closer to being realistically proportioned to 'everything else' then, because they are not realistically proportioned.

There being nothing off with their design aesthetic is your individual opinion, it is not fact. Primaris mega fans trying to assert their opinions as fact seems to be a bit of a on ongoing theme.

In my opinion, there are a lot of things off with the primaris design aethsetic, and the classic marine model design aethsetic is superior. It may be the case that it is you that needs to get over other people having a differing view to yours.

Pray tell...
What's off, design-wise? They fit the general aesthetic of a new armor, like a combination of Mk7, 8, and 4, the Bolters are just slightly bigger, and they're more realistically proportioned.

I said it once and I'll say it again: it is just hate of Primaris fluff. Everyone can keep saying they don't fit the setting, but they never explain how.

The regular primaris marines are fine. as are the hellblasters. If you started from there, and that was the new sculpt for bolter marine and plasma gun marine, you'd be sitting pretty, and I'd be loving it.

The rest, design-wise, they completely F'ed up.

The Aggressors got hosed by GW trying to make Terminators into something brand-identifiable, so they had to stick with the tiny marine head and legs and they just boofed up the torso to ridiculous levels. They have a lesser version of Centurion syndrome, with a side helping of Primaris "too many weapons, don't know what is the focal point of the model" which is a theme throughout.

Reivers have a vomit-inducing Call of Duty modern warfare commando aesthetic, where they look specifically like what a ten year old would draw when you asked him to draw a commando, and not like what an actual commando might look like. Replacing the role of Scouts with proper power armored marines is something they could do successfully (And probably did do successfully with the great looking vanguard marines) but Reivers ain't it. The skull masks are beyond stupid and the lopsided shoulderpad shtick makes zero sense here. The one thing I do respect on reivers is the great posing they pulled off, it's tough to make good looking close combat poses and they did that quite well, it's just too bad they didn't realize the base design was so awful.

Potbelly dreadnought is potbelly dreadnought. When you shift the proportion from the "shoulders" to the center of the bottom, it reads as obese, even though it's a non-anatomical robot. there's a reason practically everyone saw the redemptor and immediately thought "oh, it's fat." You're programmed to see that body shape and proportion as abnormally fat, even on non-humans where that might be the average/"intended" shape, like a walrus or panda.

Flying giant clownshoe is the perfect example of "too many weapons, nothing to focus on." They're just bristling out of the thing with no rhyme or reason, and it's very clear that all the guns were added in because they were just desperate to make it an all-rounder vehicle that can be added to anyone's collection and will never be "bad" because it's so unspecialized. There is a reason that so many GW models incorporate sponsons rather than turrets, despite them being an outdated concept in warfare: Design-wise, it allows you to separate the weaponry at a glance, and affords you an easy way to show that a vehicle has a pair of a particular type of gun, because we see the symmetry. The repulsive's turret area is an absolute clusterfeth, and has WAY too much going on, versus the sides of the vehicle which are much more flat and bare. Again, there's no symmetry, and again, it doesn't look intentional, just sloppy.

The jump troops have a few problems. First for me is the "old eldar jetbiker issue" where you have a unit that's supposedly fast and dynamic, but is posed to read as chilled out and relaxed. The way they've been posed in mostly spreadeagled positions makes them look like they're leaning back and relaxing, and the focus on the model is back and down, rather than forward and up like the current assault marines. The pose of an inceptor holding his gun is like an overweight 45 year old flopping down on the couch and holding out the TV remote, and their chunky proportions don't do anything to help that. Add to that that their guns are enormously stubby and oversized, and the design of their new flying base draws the eye and is distracting rather than something out of the way, and they're a huge swing and a miss for me.

That is why I don't like primaris units aesthetically. It isn't just blind hate of primaris fluff, and I hope that is enough "explaining why" to satisfy you, or at least make you stop claiming everyone has no reasons.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
I actually don't like the primaris sculpts. I know this is probably heresy to many here. But they're just so much bigger than anything else on the table.

I would like them better if they had Custodes like rules, where they were something like 50 points apiece but were absolutely savage. Instead they're just "bigger marines," which doesn't really jive with me. Marines were big enough.

Take MiniMarines out of that equation of "bigger than anything else on the table".

What's the issue after that? They hulk over Eldar and humans? That doesn't seem like a valid complaint to me.

The issue is i don't like the aesthetic. They look like models from a different universe.

Is not liking the color "teal" an invalid stance as well?

 Marmatag wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
I actually don't like the primaris sculpts. I know this is probably heresy to many here. But they're just so much bigger than anything else on the table.

I would like them better if they had Custodes like rules, where they were something like 50 points apiece but were absolutely savage. Instead they're just "bigger marines," which doesn't really jive with me. Marines were big enough.

Take MiniMarines out of that equation of "bigger than anything else on the table".

What's the issue after that? They hulk over Eldar and humans? That doesn't seem like a valid complaint to me.

The issue is i don't like the aesthetic. They look like models from a different universe.

Is not liking the color "teal" an invalid stance as well?

In what manner do they look like they're from a different universe? How is Mk10 that much different than the other Mk armors? It isn't. That's the problem.
So if you're looking for hulking power armor...yeah, guess what actually fits the bill that fits on the tabletop?