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Zustiur wrote:Based on the vox cast with Jes, I expect a gravis wave and probably some other variant wave.

Something like this, I think. I'd like a wave of Primaris with melee weapons as their focus, maybe something more 1st Company-ish? Plus, I think a new vehicle is on the way.

Misread this and thought it was a group-thought on which Primarch models are coming. Came in excited that maybe somebody had more information, left disappointed that it's about Primaris Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
Honestly don't want anything more primaris. They're no longer space Marines and have completely invalidated three of my army's over 3000$ down the drain.

Primaris didn't "invalidate" anything. Stop being dramatic.

If GW updates only primaris with new rules, and fixed rules are linked to getting new models, and GW says that GK won't get primaris. AND GW does not produce any new models for old marines, the fact that primaris exists lowers the chance of a Grey Knight getting a new codex or being fixed with a CA, FAQ or WD article. No drama just facts.

I don't give a crap about Grey Knights. You are your own faction that just happens to have Power Armor--same as Sisters of Battle and Custodes.

PS: There's a whole Chaos range about to drop that puts your nonsense about "GW does not produce any new models for old marines" to bed.


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Reemule wrote:
Well it seems simple to expect a Phobo's armored Chaplain at some point.

I wouldn't expect it to be honest.

Also now the Precedent is set, I wonder if you will see Gravis armor getting a second look. Librarian, LT's and maybe some kind of Troop squad choice of Gravis Armor. And maybe some kind of Heavy weapon squad in Gravis armor.

I would expect Chaplain, Librarian, and Captain to show up with Gravis no LTs.

You very well know that for SPACE MARINES, there will ONLY EVER be primaris models going forward. Don't be daft.

 Togusa wrote:

You very well know that for SPACE MARINES, there will ONLY EVER be primaris models going forward. Don't be daft.

Deathwatch begs to differ with you. By the time they would have been finishing that design, the Primaris would have been actively worked on.
Wulfen beg to differ with you.
The Space Wolves characters beg to differ with you.

Will it mostly be Primaris? Probably.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

You very well know that for SPACE MARINES, there will ONLY EVER be primaris models going forward. Don't be daft.

Deathwatch begs to differ with you. By the time they would have been finishing that design, the Primaris would have been actively worked on.
Wulfen beg to differ with you.
The Space Wolves characters beg to differ with you.

Will it mostly be Primaris? Probably.

How do any of those beg to differ, they've all seen inclusion of primaris. Deathwatch has a codex, no new models outside of Primaris were introduced. Spaces wolves are the same. I really feel like you're hoping for this to be the case, but I doubt it will be.

"No new models outside of Primaris were introduced"? Seriously?

You forget that the codex itself was fairly new and came with no Primaris stuff at launch. You can pretend all you want that it was to keep the secret--but they didn't have to release the book to start with. To boot it came with a dedicated Deathwatch Veterans kit(non-Primaris!), a Deathwatch Watch-Master, and then they brought back Watch-Captain Artemis from the lore to put him in 40k scale for the first time.

Space Wolves prior to 8th had a decent amount of plastic characters(Grimnar, Ulrik the Slayer, and the Iron Priest) along with the Wulfen drop out of nowhere and they weren't expected releases either.

Then you have the Shadow Force Solaq Captain, the Sanguinary Priest and Blood Angels Chaplain with Jump Pack, etc.

So while certainly we haven't seen anything barring Primaris, let's stop playing pretend that they didn't take measures to expand the range of non-Primaris before 8th dropped.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

You very well know that for SPACE MARINES, there will ONLY EVER be primaris models going forward. Don't be daft.

Deathwatch begs to differ with you. By the time they would have been finishing that design, the Primaris would have been actively worked on.
Wulfen beg to differ with you.
The Space Wolves characters beg to differ with you.

Will it mostly be Primaris? Probably.

Don't forget the fact that the Space Marines Heroes models were all probably designed concurrently as the Primaris Marines. So there is that too.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

You very well know that for SPACE MARINES, there will ONLY EVER be primaris models going forward. Don't be daft.

Deathwatch begs to differ with you. By the time they would have been finishing that design, the Primaris would have been actively worked on.
Wulfen beg to differ with you.
The Space Wolves characters beg to differ with you.

Will it mostly be Primaris? Probably.

Don't forget the fact that the Space Marines Heroes models were all probably designed concurrently as the Primaris Marines. So there is that too.

Right
I love the Space Marine Heroes and cant wait for the terminators in vol2. itll be interesting to see what actually comes out with vol3+4.

So considering that this is a Primaris specific thread could the denialists go to bury their heads in the sand elsewhere?

 Crimson wrote:
So considering that this is a Primaris specific thread could the denialists go to bury their heads in the sand elsewhere?

Yes please, can we at least stay focused on Primaris?

Would be nice to see some proper melee specialists. (Reivers don't count because they can't kill anything.) Something with access to more attacks and power weapons.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Would be nice to see some proper melee specialists. (Reivers don't count because they can't kill anything.) Something with access to more attacks and power weapons.

I still wish we would get a melee version of the Inceptors. They'd look cool with massive, two-handed thunder hammers.

When I was building my Repulsor, I was very keen to look for "upgrade" points. First thing I noticed was the brackets to install a mid-wall like the old Rhino, and the sculpted interior on many but strangely not all components that would be visible with side and rear doors down. All this leads me to believe the intent is to reuse the chassis for many other models to come, and that the model we currently have may not even be the intended version. I'm off the belief that it will get a 'pattern' name and be the Land Raider or the MBT variant by itself. The turret is on a separate sprue so it can be excluded. The topside mounting plate is not sculpted to the rest of the hull making me believe it can be swapped out. The bow gun mount is possible to be capped as a no gun. The rear door is missing a hinge point notably however. (IIRC, mine is in display at the shop) the rear ventral area also looks like it could be extended for extra lift generators and the rear door left off entirely.

I foresee a Repulsor 'Rhino' Pattern that has the three door gun mini-turrets and nothing else, not sure which gun (they look like they are intended to be easily interchanged) having capped the bow mount and closed the upper plate with only a cupola hatch with maybe a stubber mount. They might then make a 'Predator' variant.

My concern for the repulsor is it's cost. It's already the price of a Land Raider. How can you make it more like an MBT if all you take off is the transport capacity and add some guns? The turret is going to have to be beefed up, but what the hell too!?

For a light vehicle is like to see them with a Warthog-esque buggy. I don't like the appearance of many imperial Jet bikes.

 Crimson wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Would be nice to see some proper melee specialists. (Reivers don't count because they can't kill anything.) Something with access to more attacks and power weapons.

I still wish we would get a melee version of the Inceptors. They'd look cool with massive, two-handed thunder hammers.

That would be rad. I was thinking something based on the Intercessor. Like Intercessors that can take heavy bolt pistol + chainsword and some amount of power weapons and stormshields. Then perhaps an elite version with more weapon options and a special rule. In other words, assault intercessors.

Can we get Primaris with eviscerators please? Such an awesome weapon and I think only assault marines can use them and only 1 per 5

Melta Bombs are kind of a rules casualty but I am surprised neither Reivers or these new guys can take them. A Phobos squad with those, Demo Charges, or some new type of explosive would seem like a good thematic fit.

For regular Primaris, they've got to add a real anti tank weapon other than the Repulsor eventually, don't they?

I am guessing a Land Speeder for a new vehicle.

Something else that would be nice is some melee weapons and sergeant upgrades. Swords, fists and pistols. At the moment, most of those are confined to chapter specific upgrade sprues

Hopefuly some chaos primaris.


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I wonder how many of the old-marine players told the WHFB crew to get on with their lives when they cried about AOS... At least they are being phased out slowly and you can still play the same game.

I like the primaris. Iike the idea of converting them into Black templars and dark grimming them.

I think theyre more space mariny than OG space marines now. But thats down to the power creep possibly I think. Last time I was intot his a 3+ save was huge!

 zedmeister wrote:
Something else that would be nice is some melee weapons and sergeant upgrades. Swords, fists and pistols. At the moment, most of those are confined to chapter specific upgrade sprues

I think the Primaris would be massively improved by a generic a 'Primaris weapons and relics sprue' that could be used to add options for sergeants and characters.

 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Something else that would be nice is some melee weapons and sergeant upgrades. Swords, fists and pistols. At the moment, most of those are confined to chapter specific upgrade sprues

I think the Primaris would be massively improved by a generic a 'Primaris weapons and relics sprue' that could be used to add options for sergeants and characters.

Which is astounding that they have not made. It is money being left on the table right now. A Sprue with two different Power Swords(maybe one in a sheath?), Chainswords, Power Fists, maybe a plasma pistol or two, and perhaps some head options just seems like an easy way to make money. Call it a Leader Option Sprue. Heck, make one for Tacticus and one for Phobos. I would buy a bunch.

Wishlist guesses:

Full suppressor kit, with 2 more gun options, preferably a AV one and and anti-horde one. Onslaught gatling cannons would work well for clearing chaff, and something like lastalons or a melta lance could fit for the AV role.

I’d like to see a standalone eliminator kit, but due to the cloaks I don’t see how they are going to make a multipart/option kit. I’d settle getting those 3 guys copy/pasted onto their own sprues.

Full kit for the other shadowspear troop guys, forget their name.

Clampacks for the characters.

I think a LSS equivalent for the phobos guys is probably happening, despite not really being needed.

I’d LOVE to see phobos scout bikers. Take the GSC ones, beef them up a little, add knives, shotguns, and pistols to taste, call it good.

That would probably round out the Vanguard.

Gravis could get the character medley.

CC options, either hammer/shield on foot or inceptors. Would be nice to have a LC/chaff clearing option rather then just the heavy hitter, but that might be better served on a non-gravis platform.

Gravs already have the aggressors for close range heavy firepower. Long range might work, or just cut to the chase and make intercessor dev equivalent.

I’d like to see a repulsor without the turret, add a little more cargo capacity. I’d rather not have a new style of chassis. While not a rhino equivalent, it would make for a cheeper transport. They could also ditch the transport restrictions, and open up all the old stuff, at least the ones that can take terminators. I’d rather see stormravens opened up then a new custom flyer.

ya know it never even occured to me until your post Nevelon but supressors would be a perfect platform for Melta weaponry. their ability to be dropped in, combined with their jump packs would make some sort of multi melta weapon viable.

 Nevelon wrote:

I’d like to see a standalone eliminator kit, but due to the cloaks I don’t see how they are going to make a multipart/option kit. I’d settle getting those 3 guys copy/pasted onto their own sprues.

If I had to guess, it's going to depend on whether or not there actually is a "multipart option" for the Eliminators or if they only get the Bolt Sniper Rifles. I'd imagine that what might happen is a variant setup ala the Castigators for AoS(only available in an Easy to Build format or the Soul Wars/Tempest of Souls boxes) where it's 3 alternate models(one a unit leader) that can be mixed+matched with the ones from Shadowspear.

My current guess's at incoming primaris (quote me on this if im right):


HQ's

We have gravis captains, and phobos captains, the final option is gonna be the superheavy 2+ save option for captains and libbies with one final psychic discipline (will match up armor type with the stuff below in the Heavies/elite).

Troops

We have our line troops, and stealth troops. Probably wont get anything else cept for a smaller dedicated transport. Likely a 5 man hoverboat with an onslaught cannon (or 2).

Fast attack

Likely to see attack bike primaris equivilents. These will have 3 primaris dudes on a hoverboat with 2 heavy weapons (laz talons or onslaught cannons). Will probably add more weapon options to suppressors and Inceptors.

Heavy Support/elite

Primaris will get a rebuilt and better version of Centaurian devastator armor, of both the ranged and melee types to replace devestators and terminators in one fell swoop.
I also expect a new artillery loadout on the new grav transport chasis. Support characters will gain access to the various armors.

Flyers

Don't actually expect anything new here. There isn't a real reason to make any new flyers for primaris except for mabey a large transport, which wont see play cause its too expensive points-wise anyway.

So what white scars up to right now?

I assume we'll see bikes where they have a part in the fight

Just pre assembled the captain from shadowspear and I'm really liking the model, damn ultramarine paint scheme makes everything look weird. cant wait to salamander all of them up..

Racerguy180 wrote:
Just pre assembled the captain from shadowspear and I'm really liking the model, damn ultramarine paint scheme makes everything look weird. cant wait to salamander all of them up..

That head will look interesting in Salamander colors for sure. I am giving mine a different head. I don't like the beard.

I'm gonna use a FW Salamanders legion heads.

Primaris pauldrons on stock Mk.X armour are pretty much straight swaps with the plastic Mk.VIII pauldrons out of the Deathwatch kit so FW pauldrons might work too. (They don't go straight on to Phobos (Reiver) shoulders, you have to carve the arm bit down a bit before they fit.)

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Primaris pauldrons on stock Mk.X armour are pretty much straight swaps with the plastic Mk.VIII pauldrons out of the Deathwatch kit so FW pauldrons might work too. (They don't go straight on to Phobos (Reiver) shoulders, you have to carve the arm bit down a bit before they fit.)

Most Pauldrons should fit, GW designed primaris Marines to use old Marine heads and shoulderpads specificly. as those are the most popular and common upgrade components