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 Irbis wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

Nah, "all demons are male unless they are sex demons" isn't what I'm looking for.
So, "androgynous big demon that can arouse both people into men and into women" is better.
Did you miss that the KoS get a female breast and a male breast?
I even think that one set of arm was designed as more masculine-looking (the one with the claws) and the other as more feminine (the one with the sword), am I the only one?

Really, it's past time we got sexy Slaanesh shirtless dude and angry Khorne almost-shirtless gal, even if you personnaly cannot enjoy the male form .
(Yeah I know she isn't actually Khornate, but she was the closest example I got, seeing how Valkia is half bloodletter and fully armored and all)

Also the new Fiends have a female side and a male side.
They basically look like a female creature and a male creature moulded together.

Well I try to think that Slaanesh daemons need to look pleasing to look by all-genders… in some disturbing way.

If you look close the old metal fiends also had one breast one side and one chest the other - however it was more muted a transition because the chest area was more evenly designed - you basically looked for the nipple

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b4/FiendofSlaaneshMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180128024735

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

Nah, "all demons are male unless they are sex demons" isn't what I'm looking for.
So, "androgynous big demon that can arouse both people into men and into women" is better.
Did you miss that the KoS get a female breast and a male breast?
I even think that one set of arm was designed as more masculine-looking (the one with the claws) and the other as more feminine (the one with the sword), am I the only one?

Really, it's past time we got sexy Slaanesh shirtless dude and angry Khorne almost-shirtless gal, even if you personnaly cannot enjoy the male form .
(Yeah I know she isn't actually Khornate, but she was the closest example I got, seeing how Valkia is half bloodletter and fully armored and all)

First, not all Daemons are completely sexless... Some of the Plaguebearers distinctly have sagging old lady breasts. There was a model of a female daemon prince of Khorne, Valkia. The Slaanesh daemon prince with the herald riding him attempts to portray a different sexualized duality than hermaphrodism. I think the Slaanesh daemon prince captures the slaanesh sense of perfection and temptaions... that exotic and fetished feel prevalent to the western worlds depiction of western asian cultures, but its the inclusion of the herald riding him that starts to make you wonder what's his story. This choice allows for a model that isn't overtly sexual in nature, but where context and our cultural sentiments to overlay the model making the more age sensitive part of slaanesh's depiction partially our own interpretation.

I'm actually glad the Slaanesh daemon prince isn't female. When I look at a warhammer miniature I think it should feel like it has a story. People would want a sexualized female daemon prince and that would quickly end up as a generic succubus archetype with a particular styling or another snake woman miniature... And GW can't creep us out and make a daemon prince of our mothers.

I do think GW could do an interesting female daemon prince, but I think it will generally need more context than a preview or the initial release lends itself to. This release was meant to make us go "wow - that's slaanesh" not "wow, that's a sessy daemon". A female daemon prince for better or worse needs to be defined by back story, or something more immediate to the setting. An example would be a female Stormcast or Sister of Battle that's undergone apotheosis in pursuit of perfection... which plays up the angle of the conflicting pressures women often feel in pursuit of respect in a male dominated setting.

As an aside I think an interesting approach would be if GW made a female daemon prince that was something of a mirror image to this new one, extending that motif of the duality of Slaanesh further. I think they should be looking at the many facets of the interpretation of "perfection" and draw on that.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Some of the Plaguebearers distinctly have sagging old lady breasts.

Genuine question, but are those sagging old lady breasts, or sagging fat guy breasts? Because Nurgle demons tend to be the opposite of skinny.

 aka_mythos wrote:
There was a model of a female daemon prince of Khorne, Valkia.

Do you mean Valkia as in the Valkia I explicitly mentioned in the post you were answering to ^^?

Anyone know if the champions round of the individual 40k tournament is being streamed anywhere?

I can't believe that G-dubs decided to cast AOS instead of the champions round of 40k but maybe some other enterprising spirit is taking up the slack?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

My guess is... Primaris Paints! An exciting new line of paints similar to the old one but with bigger bottles and slightly different proportions of pigments. They aren't compatible with the old line, but not to worry - the old paints will continue to be available* for those of you who want to finish your armies with the old colors!

*While supplies last.

Daemons do not reproduce sexually. None of them are male or female. They look however their gods want them to look, which I guess is somehow related to how people imagine them?

I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick. I’m very glad GW is going the route they are with androgeny and mixing of sex/gender within a single model as it emphasizes the allure and nature of this particular Chaos power.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

Codex is a very valid and appropriate term here.
It's clear that Khorne Bloodthirster is male coded

Wow, aint this thread going down the pooper.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

Lol, how come he did them wrong? Too feminine for your liking? Slaanesh can choose whichever form suits him best at the time, whatever he feels like. He`s the god, who also wants to seduce beings to follow him. Most soldiers being men, it makes perfect sence for the seducers to be feminine.

Well, now Slaanesh daemons are genderless and somehat sterile.. Fiends are awesome, though.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Daemons do not reproduce sexually. None of them are male or female. They look however their gods want them to look, which I guess is somehow related to how people imagine them?

This is exactly correct, deamons do not have a form other than that which we give them, imagine the entire race is basically the stay puft marshmallow man that Gozer creates, you are just as likely to get a bloodletter as you are to get a monster with 1000000000000 male ....bits, the greater the deamon thought the greater its control over its form, hence why the gods have specific looking deamons.

And we're off the rails.

Actually, I tell a lie; Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned uses neuter pronouns for Tzeentchian daemons.

It’s later material that gives them explicit gender; Silver Tower refers to the Gaunt Summoner and the Familiars as male, for example.

Guys. You're discussing the possible gender of pretend daemons in a war game. In the lore of said game daemons are "made" through the emotions of races so they cannot possibly have a gender as they're literal beings of emotion made manifest. Regardless the discussion of daemon's gender is probably best served in another thread. Why not chill on this discussion and talk about something else....

How about dat Keeper of Secrets do eh?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Guys. You're discussing the possible gender of pretend daemons in a war game. In the lore of said game daemons are "made" through the emotions of races so they cannot possibly have a gender as they're literal beings of emotion made manifest. Regardless the discussion of daemon's gender is probably best served in another thread. Why not chill on this discussion and talk about something else....

How about dat Keeper of Secrets do eh?

I'm honestly not that crazy about it. I wish the face was more bestial, or that it was somehow more disturbing. Seems kind of uninteresting to me.

Why are you all discussing demon gender? The correct protocol when dealing with demons is not to determine if they have genitals, but to purge them with extreme prejudice. Doing otherwise is heretical. Stop being heretics.

Seriously though, this is off topic, the chaos models look great, and I for one like seeing movement trays in Apoc, as that means that they might add them to AoS and give us close order combat back.

I was under the impression that the Gaunt Summoners were human sorcerers that ascended, and serve as analogues to the 9 wraiths in LOTR.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

I meant that the form of Slaaneshi daemons actually representing any genders at all is their “thing”, as they do so to play into their strengths.

I’m fully aware that Slaanesh as always had hermaphroditic elements. My point was rather that they’re the ONLY daemons I’ve ever looked at and seen any indication of gender.

Right, so this thread suddenly made my dashboard light up like a Christmas tree. Did some cleaning, am going to ask this once nicely: stay on topic and remain polite. Okay peeps?

Despite my initial annoyance that GW is doing yet more Chaos themed releases I think the KoS in particular is an absolute triumph. It's probably one of the best models I have seen from them in some time.

Conveying all the facets of what a KoS is supposed to represent is a mammoth task in one miniature. Particularly without leaning on the whole "lol demon bewbs" or "BDSM demon" vibe. I love this miniature mostly for the technical prowess that it conveys. It's very, very intelligent in my opinion and I think it will look incredible IRL. I may have to purchase one.

Not a massive fan of some of the other Slaanesh Daemons in this release though, the pigtails Daemonettes near the weird mirror thing look a bit too camp for me. I do like the tag team prince and herald, though none of the releases are as strong as the KoS for me.

I think I'll enjoy having that humongous Slaanesh symbol from the reveal video. Probably the mandatory faction terrain piece, yes? I think I'd cut out the face, but that might be fun to have around. Normal table, everything seems fine, then suddenly - Slaanesh!

And I never realized just how big the Daemon Prince was until I paused and looked at the army shot.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Conveying all the facets of what a KoS is supposed to represent is a mammoth task in one miniature.

You can probably see how I got there, but now I'm trying to imagine how a Keeper of Secrets with mammoth tusks would look. If it works for Terminators, it has to work for a Keeper, too. Right?

My guess about the new paint - a product of "paint" that you can dunk a figure into.

What really appeals to me about the KoS is that it has a very androgynous look, like Desire from the Sandman comics. They did a fantastic job in sculpting what could not have been an easy task. It still maintains that Slaneesh style but truly improves on it.

Of course in my head the KOS sounds similar to this representation of Satan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes

For me the winner was the Demon Prince- as though I think the KoS is the superior model, I will definitely get the Demon prince just to paint up and support the cause.

But what I really wantses is mortals of slaanesh.

My subscription copy of White Dwarf arrived today. There’s a lovely article showing how Phil Stutcinskas of FW goes about weathering a tank. He uses GW paints and shades, FW weathering powders ...

... and an airbrush!


Not sure if we should read anything into that, but it’s the first time in a long time that I remember a WD article has featured something that GW doesn’t sell ... yet (?)

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
My subscription copy of White Dwarf arrived today. There’s a lovely article showing how Phil Stutcinskas of FW goes about weathering a tank. He uses GW paints and shades, FW weathering powders ...

... and an airbrush!


Not sure if we should read anything into that, but it’s the first time in a long time that I remember a WD article has featured something that GW doesn’t sell ... yet (?)

Well when him and mark did the first model masterclass they used all kinds of non GW products. The second MM and the HH MM they used pretty much all gw stuff including tools. Did they ever tell us what the new tool was?