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Rise of the Ynnari? How much higher can they actually go?

Rise of Ynnari point costs maybe?

Eldar are the last major army to have a ton of finecast remaining. Just about every other army is 90+% plastic that this point.

Aspect dual kits is something I would want for Eldar players.

To be honest I'm shocked they didn't do that for Windriders and Shining Spears.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Aspect dual kits is something I would want for Eldar players.

To be honest I'm shocked they didn't do that for Windriders and Shining Spears.

Agreed, however I fear the "age of dual kits" is over for GW. There really haven't been many dual kits in the last few years.
At this point, not only would I be surprised to see Aspects as dual kits, I'd actually be surprised to see them updated in plastic at all.

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At the time the Windrider kit came out, Shining Spears were worse than ASM are now - most players simply ignored the fact the entry existed.

The Windrider kit was a slight improvement on looks, adding Scatter Lasers, and allowing more than 1 in 3 to take the Shuriken Cannon - the Shining Spear upgrade kit works just as well on the new kit as the old.

(Kitbashes make better Shining Spears than the upgrade kit, though.)

Biggest concern here is this means no codex. However, if they make Ynnari playable without being obnoxious I'd be super happy. I like the models but dont play them because they are just a pain and have had so many rule changes.

 bullyboy wrote:
Biggest concern here is this means no codex. However, if they make Ynnari playable without being obnoxious I'd be super happy. I like the models but dont play them because they are just a pain and have had so many rule changes.

Yeah, if they make the Ynnari Characters playable in the same way as Assassins, in that they don't NEED a Codex, I'd be quite happy

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Maybe they rewrite SfD to something more like the Ork Freebootaz trait. Meaning if one of your units kill something then every other freeboota (or ynnari in this case) unit within 24" gets a +1 to hit that phase.

It's really powerful considering elves start out hitting at 3+/3+ instead of 3+/5+ like orks so the range of the ability might have to go down a bit. Something along those line would still be easy to grasp and seems a lot more "fair" than the current system.

I heard Khorne in AoS has something like gathering points for kills and then exchanging them for summons/buffs or something, that would fit more.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I heard Khorne in AoS has something like gathering points for kills and then exchanging them for summons/buffs or something, that would fit more.

I could see lists with Ynnari gaining a CP each time they destroy a unit. Although it would make them much less competitive in organized events that enforce the "only regen/gain 1 CP pre turn" rules

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Quite a bit to unpack here...

In my opinion:

1) My initial theory has been that Eldar would get an Ynnari-based re-release, and it would supplant classic Craftworld Eldar and would be the "Primarisation" of the Eldar line. I'm quite convinced this is why the bulk and primary infantry models from the Eldar have been ignored for 10-15 years...other kits longer.

2) An Ynnari Index article means that it either won't happen, or is further out than expected and this is a stop-gap measure.

3) I very much hope Ynnari are reduced and limited. Craftworld units are paying through the nose for the borderline game-breaking stuff Ynnari brings to the table. The soup-penalties are really piss poor game design, and Ynnari are at the core of that. I'm extra biased because I think the Ynnari models and fluff are pretty weak-dick and don't add anything to the story.

4) Nice to see the promise of Xenos articles - I would "LOVE" to see Eldar craftworlds (the classic five) fleshed out in the way Crimson Fists were in the earlier issue. While not making Crimson Fists crazy powerful, the combination of their Index article with the Specialist Detachment gave them loads of character/flavor. I think the Eldar codex ranks very low on the "how passionate were your codex designers" threshhold. While the book is strong enough on its own, it's a super boring book with very little character, particularly between the various Craftworlds.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I heard Khorne in AoS has something like gathering points for kills and then exchanging them for summons/buffs or something, that would fit more.

That'd be a fantastic thing, especially if they were powers focused on the 3 ynnari Hero models, like Powers of the C'tan that could then be only used when you accumulate "kill points" from your Ynnari units.

Give 3 generic powers, and 1 power to each of the Ynnari heroes that only they can use.

Note the following is completely made up by me, not a rumor, so should only be taken with the same size grain of salt you reserve for BOLS rumors.

That would actually be similar to the ancient 2nd edition rules, lol. CSM forces used to acquire summoning points by doing X, Y and Z (according to their chosen God), and would then exchange points to summon --- they could also sacrifice champions who would explode into greater daemons, etc.

If eldar get Ynnarised even more It would suck IMO.
What Craftworlds sadly need is plastic aspect warriors, and new phoenix lords with resonable points/rules.

Those sculpt sare some 20+ year old now ? They have not aged well at all...

There is so mch potential for new fluff and models. There could be some far flung exodite empire coming from the fringes of the galaxy whatevs... Space elves riding dinosaurs? Gime that shiz... SPace pirate elves gunslinging? yes please.
Like look at shadow specter sculpts. They dont really look like eldar. But look like what eldar should be i think.

I was honestly expecting to see new aspect warriors as some kind of Kill Team themed release at some point. They're pretty much ideal for it.

Bharring wrote:
In the same timeframe, Nids got ... Old One Eye.

Funnily enough, Old One Eye was actually "unreleased" around this time. GW retired the 3E sculpt and just told everyone to make OOE using specific bits in the existing Carnifex kit.

"Space elves riding dinosaurs?"
So many kitbash options. So little time. No faith in GW doing it right.

"SPace pirate elves gunslinging?"
FW did that. Lots of that. Lots of awesome. 8E killed all but the most basic models, though.

"Like look at shadow specter sculpts. They dont really look like eldar. But look like what eldar should be i think."
Aspects are all supposed to be different. I'd love it if GW would introduce a few more out-there ones. Even if, rules wise, they'd basically be redundant (or even share data sheets with current units). But I'm wishlisting.

"I was honestly expecting to see new aspect warriors as some kind of Kill Team themed release at some point."
There is so much potential in Kill Team. Instead of all that potential, they decided we wanted more monopose models and special characters.

Because nothing says "my models" like "are assembled exactly this way and are named exactly this way with exactly this backstory".

I'm of the opinion that Ynnead and the dead should have been left in the fluff, that was some end time stuff related to the Rhana Dandra and it still doesn't sit right with me that Ynnead just woke up early.

Hoping for a small supplement, I don't enjoy their lore or the one rule that everyone hates nor do I want further merging of the Eldar Dark Eldar fluff.

I look forward to the inevitable Soulburst nerf.

That picture is old.... that's from when they renamed them and combined them with the Saint Celestine, Belisarius Cawl and Inquisitor Greyfaxin the "Gathering Storm" three pack with the dawn of the Primus. They came out with the Webways around that time.... "Gathering Storm; Fall of Cadia started it all off.... THEN, they had the Slanish thing going on that combined the Eldar…. into whatever they are calling them now... last of 7th, beginning of 8th editions. Triumvirate of Ynnead is what I looked up....

No, thats new, because the Plague Marines in Mk III and the Gellarpox werent out when the Triumvirate of Ynnead came out.

drbored wrote:
I look forward to the inevitable Soulburst nerf.

I'm predicting that they bring back being able to use it on your opponent's turn as well

 Grot 6 wrote:
That picture is old.... that's from when they renamed them and combined them with the Saint Celestine, Belisarius Cawl and Inquisitor Greyfaxin the "Gathering Storm" three pack with the dawn of the Primus. They came out with the Webways around that time.... "Gathering Storm; Fall of Cadia started it all off.... THEN, they had the Slanish thing going on that combined the Eldar…. into whatever they are calling them now... last of 7th, beginning of 8th editions. Triumvirate of Ynnead is what I looked up....

Except the webway models haven't even been out a year. They came out with Harlequins codex.

it is good to keep in mind that technically the rules for Ynnari are no longer available as the Index is no longer being sold on Games Worshop's website. Even Warhammer Digital only has Index: Imperium 2. So this could be - for all we know - a reprint of the index for those who want a copy of it plus FAQ info, and nothing more.

 Eldarsif wrote:
it is good to keep in mind that technically the rules for Ynnari are no longer available as the Index is no longer being sold on Games Worshop's website. Even Warhammer Digital only has Index: Imperium 2. So this could be - for all we know - a reprint of the index for those who want a copy of it plus FAQ info, and nothing more.

It could be... but why would they advertise that on the back of the magazine? Every issue so far since the relaunch has included either a 40k mini-codex or a warscroll battalion for AoS Sigmarines, alternating each month, and each month the next month's content has been teased on the back cover.

Bharring wrote:
They have every single model in the Ynnari line on one cover!

All 3 of them.

They have a cat though. Almost as good as a good boy doggo!

Bharring wrote:
Tyranids waiting on Eldar?
Since 7th for Tyranids:
Maleceptor
Toxicrene
Sporocyst
Tyrannocyte
Neurothrope
Zoanthrope
Venomthrope
Broodlord

Craftworlds:
Eldrad
Autarch
SpiritSeer

Sure, Eldar also got Ynnari. But how does that compare to *GeneStealerCults*?

Despite all the amazing rules, Eldar have gotten crap for new kits in the past decade. Not as bad off as SOB, sure. But one of the oldest lines out there.

Most of my army is still finecast/metal-only.

Oh stop it both of you. Sisters of Battle.

 Red_Five wrote:
Eldar are the last major army to have a ton of finecast remaining. Just about every other army is 90+% plastic that this point.

See above.

Sisters of Battle are already confirmed to be getting updated. We have seen the sculpts. You might as well complain that Havocs still need an update because they aren't out until next week.

I love the Ynnari! They made for excellent Slaanesh conversions!

 Arachnofiend wrote:
We have seen the sculpts.

So you know which units will be released then, please enlighten us!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Bharring wrote:
They have every single model in the Ynnari line on one cover!

All 3 of them.

They have a cat though. Almost as good as a good boy doggo!

Bharring wrote:
Tyranids waiting on Eldar?
Since 7th for Tyranids:
Maleceptor
Toxicrene
Sporocyst
Tyrannocyte
Neurothrope
Zoanthrope
Venomthrope
Broodlord

Craftworlds:
Eldrad
Autarch
SpiritSeer

Sure, Eldar also got Ynnari. But how does that compare to *GeneStealerCults*?

Despite all the amazing rules, Eldar have gotten crap for new kits in the past decade. Not as bad off as SOB, sure. But one of the oldest lines out there.

Most of my army is still finecast/metal-only.

Oh stop it both of you. Sisters of Battle.

 Red_Five wrote:
Eldar are the last major army to have a ton of finecast remaining. Just about every other army is 90+% plastic that this point.

See above.

GW has literally shown us renders of the Sisters of Battle models they are making in plastic. They are coming out this year. You have to wait a few months and, boom, a whole new line of plastic nuns. Meanwhile, Eldar players are rocking 20 year old sculpts (sculpts that are, I will remind you, older than the old Sisters of Battle metal/finecast models)

Yeah.... I don’t see much on the horizon for Eldar that gives m any hope that they will be updated in the way that folks are clamoring for.