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 Imateria wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
If wych cults retain PFP and harlequins retain crescendo then I can certainly see this being a usable alternative to a Cult/Masque trait. Even a decent masque trait. Also a very nice alternative to Saim-Hann craft world since you retain the only thing from it you want (s dance and charge on shining spears)

What the heck is a Starglaive (referenced in one of the relics)? Is that an autarch weapon?

Stargalive is the standard powerfist type weapon an Autarch on foot comes with.

I disagree on the Wyches, small squads tend to be objective grabbers or an annoyance, trying to pin down infantry units with the Shardnet, I don't think 10 man units have that much of a roll and a 20 Wych blob is a fairly scary combat unit. 5 man squads don't care about the buff, it's not what they're there for and the 10 man squads need something much bigger to really help them. The 20 Wych blob though gains much more out of their Obsessions, +1A on 20 Wyches is worth a lot more than +1 to hit, especially if it's turn 3, and +1S and moral defence is even better.

You'll be relying very heavily on Ancestors Grace and Unbind Souls to make up the difference IMO.

Multiple reroll to wound abilities, 5++ psychic power, fearless aura from Yncarne... I dunno, I think there's something there. Not 100% ruling them out as worse than cursed blade yet, I'll have to look it over more.

I miss read as glaive, but still can have str 7 heroes

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Can’t.

Don’t know what imgur is!

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I notice that soulburst works on anything dying, so you could always sacrifice a unit to power everyone up.

Hilariously, even vehicles get SfD now as well, so Venoms are hitting on 3's in combat.

This is almost as bad as squats

 Imateria wrote:
Hilariously, even vehicles get SfD now as well, so Venoms are hitting on 3's in combat.

And Starweavers hit on 2s.

Rise of the choppy Eldar-transports!!


The Castellans around the globe tremble!!

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Hilariously, even vehicles get SfD now as well, so Venoms are hitting on 3's in combat.

And Starweavers hit on 2s.

Rise of the choppy Eldar-transports!!


The Castellans around the globe tremble!!

Dead. So good.

One big benefit is being able to throw Yvraine into a DE list for psychic support now.


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Iracundus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m seeing this as a stop-gap whilst they decide on how to make Ynnari a complete faction in itself.

After all, there’s only so long a mixing of cultures can go on before the differences becomes indivisible. Which is a good thing, if you ask me.

For me, I’d like to see them really play up The Eldar Of Old angle, but with personal restraint being important.

The issue is how they make them sufficiently different while not overly infringing on each existing Eldar faction's theme/specialty.

The Eldar of Old were supposedly both physically adept and psychically powerful. The Dark Eldar kept the physical training up but let their psychic ability atrophy. The Craftworlders kept their psychic ability and have heavier armor in the form of their tanks and wraith constructs. The Harlequins have a bit of both but lack heavy vehicles.

This is not even thinking about what (if anything) Exodites will ever get.

Dinosaurs, duh.

 wannabmoy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Hilariously, even vehicles get SfD now as well, so Venoms are hitting on 3's in combat.

And Starweavers hit on 2s.

Rise of the choppy Eldar-transports!!


The Castellans around the globe tremble!!

Dead. So good.

One big benefit is being able to throw Yvraine into a DE list for psychic support now.

I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

 Burnage wrote:


I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

Yeah. Yvraine solo in a Drukhari list literally is a 132 points Helm of Spite.

At least a Craftworlder gets you Doom.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Burnage wrote:


I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

Yeah. Yvraine solo in a Drukhari list literally is a 132 points Helm of Spite.

At least a Craftworlder gets you Doom.

The only thing the Ynarri characters bring to DE really is another HQ for detachment taxes. Prior to this you needed special characters like drazarh to run double battalions for certain obsessions, now you can alternatively run any of these.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Shelve your units, boys. Those 3 models are useless now. Not even a shoot twice strat like others get

Nope, this update will actually get these models out of the case and onto my table. Probably the same for many people who hated the stigma surrounding Ynnari.

 Burnage wrote:

 wannabmoy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
Hilariously, even vehicles get SfD now as well, so Venoms are hitting on 3's in combat.

And Starweavers hit on 2s.

Rise of the choppy Eldar-transports!!


The Castellans around the globe tremble!!

Dead. So good.

One big benefit is being able to throw Yvraine into a DE list for psychic support now.

I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

+1 deny and some psychic damage output really. She’s not a slouch in combat either.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Burnage wrote:


I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

Yeah. Yvraine solo in a Drukhari list literally is a 132 points Helm of Spite.

At least a Craftworlder gets you Doom.

Well, she's pretty similar in terms of stats to a 70 point Archon, so the question really comes down to "would you pay 50 extra points for two sources of mortal wounds and a deny with +1 to cast?"

And, yeah, I probably would.

 Burnage wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Burnage wrote:


I'm torn on this. It's probably better than a second Archon in a Kabal Battalion, but she's still quite expensive and most of the Revenant powers don't do anything if you're not running an Ynnari force.

Yeah. Yvraine solo in a Drukhari list literally is a 132 points Helm of Spite.

At least a Craftworlder gets you Doom.

Well, she's pretty similar in terms of stats to a 70 point Archon, so the question really comes down to "would you pay 50 extra points for two sources of mortal wounds and a deny with +1 to cast?"

And, yeah, I probably would.

Yup, this.

 bullyboy wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Shelve your units, boys. Those 3 models are useless now. Not even a shoot twice strat like others get

Nope, this update will actually get these models out of the case and onto my table. Probably the same for many people who hated the stigma surrounding Ynnari.

Same here. Will add some variety to my Quins.

fresus wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Shelve your units, boys. Those 3 models are useless now. Not even a shoot twice strat like others get

Nope, this update will actually get these models out of the case and onto my table. Probably the same for many people who hated the stigma surrounding Ynnari.

Same here. Will add some variety to my Quins.

Ah, two non competitives? Then yes have fun! I guess I should of specified. SERIOUS PLAYERS! The shelf or trash they go. Now we can laugh when we see these models on the table.

Well, either way Ynnari is an all cc-focussed army now. That clearly just doesn't work for eldar models, especially since there's not even a fight twice strat for Ynnari, no Hive commander, etc.., nothing. They aren't gonna hang with Genestealers or Custodes or even Death Company, Wulfen, Aberrants, even Necron Wraiths, or what have you, even if they get a glorious +1 to hit after they kill one of those units.


Maybe some lists will add a few Ynnari Wraithblades or Harlequins to their list as a counter-charge or bully element alongside Ravagers and Crimson Hunters or whatnot? Perhaps, though even there I don't see what they would add that Cursed Blade Wyches or old-fashioned Grotesque/Talos don't do better, and it hardly qualifies as a Ynnari army IMO.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

fresus wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Shelve your units, boys. Those 3 models are useless now. Not even a shoot twice strat like others get

Nope, this update will actually get these models out of the case and onto my table. Probably the same for many people who hated the stigma surrounding Ynnari.

Same here. Will add some variety to my Quins.

Ah, two non competitives? Then yes have fun! I guess I should of specified. SERIOUS PLAYERS! The shelf or trash they go. Now we can laugh when we see these models on the table.

who's this "we" you refer to? What's non competitive mean, exactly? "Serious" players? Not sure which side will be laughing more actually.

Half damage wraith seerer who gives his three wraithlord buddies 5++ with his new psychic power isnt bad

drakerocket wrote:
Half damage wraith seerer who gives his three wraithlord buddies 5++ with his new psychic power isnt bad

was looking at the wraithseer but I'm not sure he replaces hsi psychic powers with the ynnari ones, it seems to have been missed from the list of what psychic disciplines need to be replaced.

This is a shame. I just put together all the pieces for running the Sean Nayden hero hammer list too. Would have been fun to try and run Yncarne in a competitive game.

Competetively or not, my guess many players would probably prefer to stay within their own codices, which are more balanced and have more options, than cherry pick a small handful of relics, spells and stratagems from Ynnari which actually work.

At least until Ynnari characters would get a point drop maybe.

I did some cleaning up, I would like to remind all participants of this topic that Rule #1, to be polite to one another, is not optional. Any more breaches of this will result in further warnings and suspensions.

Removed - BrookM


So now that ynari is gimmic, The question is, do they drop points back for CWE units in the upcoming FAQ??? Yeah Im no good at jokes..

No Matchless Agility Strat? Keeping it tough to get those melee units across fast.

I'm not seeing where in the leaked rules that Ynnari lose Battle Focus, Strength from Death, or Rising Crescendo. (These rules aren't detachment abilities, stratagems, warlord traits, or any of the specific things that are mentioned as being lost.)

Did I miss a line in there?

It appears that they keep those abilities, and instead SfD is more equivalent to a Craftworld or Masque trait than an army-wide ability.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I'm not seeing where in the leaked rules that Ynnari lose Battle Focus, Strength from Death, or Rising Crescendo. (These rules aren't detachment abilities, stratagems, warlord traits, or any of the specific things that are mentioned as being lost.)

Did I miss a line in there?

They don't.

They "only" lose stratagems, army traits and psychic support from their "home" codex.

Thus things like Wyches, maybe Drukhari Jetbikes and Hellions, probably come out best, since they have few super-cool strats, don't rely in psychic and get a lot of milage out of equipment, combat drugs, etc.. For them, Ynnari essentially becomes another option next to Cursed Blade, Red Grief, etc..

They obviously took away all the things that made Craftworld such a popular option over Drukhari and Harlequin Ynnari, psychics and strats.

Harlequin Ynnari no longer lose Rising Cresendo, which is nice, but losing double-move via. Twlight Pathways and losing access to a double fight strat (as well as some other useful things like Silken Knife, etc..) is painful (funny how non-Ynnari Harlequins now own Ynnari in the department of double moves and double fighting).

I think that there might be some merit to a wraith focused force Ive been thinking about which might actualy be fun now